damnit mitt

My exact thoughts when I saw this. Fucking razor leaf and hyperbeam. How is that not awesome?

Hyper beam? Everything learns hyper beam. Charizard uses it too. Also, it's kinda shit outside of gen 1.

It wasn't obvious he meant Solar Beam...

Charizard can also learn solarbeam. The point stands.

In what gen? I never knew this?

It's a gen 4 up thing. A buncha pokemon can learn Solar Beam now. Especially Fire Types.

I haven't touched Gen 4 but doesn't that seem kinda .. weird.

Not really. Especially with the use of Sunny day.

But the move is related to the process of photosynthesis ... which only plants have.

Solrock Groudon Moltres Cryogonal. All pokemon who learn it through level up. none of them are plants. It can be assumed it's based off of photosynthesis, but it is not photosynthesis.

Once again I guess these are all new changes in Gen 4, maybe they just changed the idea of it.

Maybe so, but Groudon and Solrock were both in gen 3.

That is, they learned it in gen 3.

i meant solar beam, sorry, i got overzealous with talking about bulbasaur

You can argue all you want, but fact of the matter is that grass is the shitiest type out of the 3.
pokemondb.net/type/grass
pokemondb.net/type/fire
pokemondb.net/type/water
Grass has 5 weaknesses and grass moves are resisted by 7 types. It is super effective against 3 types and grass resists 4 types.

Fire has 4 weaknesses and fire moves are resisted by 4 types.
It is super effective against 4 types and fire resists 5 types.

Water has 2 weaknesses and water moves are resisted by 3 types.
It is super effective against 3 types and water resists 4 types.

That being said, as far as competitive pokemon goes, Venusaur is the best thanks to it's dream world ability (chlorophyll) which doubles it's speed in the sun.
Venusaur is in the Over Used tier (chlorophyll).
Blastoise is in the Rarely Used tier (rapid spin). <This were they are Charizard is in the Never Used tier (stealth rocks). placed on Smogon.

Trust me, I know a lot of shit about pokemon.

Considering how blastoise beats both makes blastoise the best. Blastoise obviously beats charizard, but blastoise can also learn ice beam and beat venasaur. Venasaur is the slowest so gg.

>Chlorophyll Venusaur
>One of the fastest pokemon out there under Sunny Day.

i don't think you can get a chlorophyll venusaur. the dream ability isn't out as far as i know

It is. It's been out for a good while now. It was released during B/W 1.

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http://bulbapedia . [url deleted]

Motherfucker.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden . net/wiki/ListofPok%C3%A9monwithreleasedHiddenAbilities

nobody knows about competitive play, don't even try.

you don't know that

But Venusaur is also quite bulky with 80 HP, 82 Def, and 100 SpDef. With an amnesia boost, Venusaur can survive an Ice Beam (especially an Ice Beam that doesn't have STAB) and hit back with a Super-effective Grass-move. BTW, Blastoise is the slowest, albeit just barely. Blastoise has 78 Spd, while Venusaur has 80 Spd. Blastoise's SpAtt is 85; not bad, but not that great either. Besides, both will likely be played with a more defensive set than offensive.

If ice beam freezes solid - good game. The fact that it's possible for blastoise to win makes venasaur the worst. Venasaur wouldn't leave a dent on Charizard but blastoise is capable of winning.

Ice Beam has only a 10% chance of freezing, so if you want to rely on that I have one thing to say: May the odds ever be in your favor. The fact that a Lvl 1 Shroomish to win against a Lvl 70-something Garchomp (I've seen it happen!) makes Shroomish better than Garchomp, then? Besides, Venusaur isn't supposed to making dents. Like I said, Venusaur (as a Grass- and Poison-type) will more likely have a defensive set which means that it will have moves like Sleep Powder, Poison Powder, Syntesis, etc. to wear the opponent down.

Lol poison powder??? Now I know you are a noob.

amnesia protects against ice beam, curse makes it a physical wall and a decent attacker, power whip blastoise's fucking face like a cheap whore.

Venusaur motherfucker.

alt: gorebyss with amnesia, barrier and baton pass. i don't see your tank blastoise knowing haze.

no mad bro

I think he just got owned.

indeed he is! you remember the "how to fold a pikachu" frontpage picture here a couple of weeks ago? I made a bulbasaur version!

Post pic as proof

I will :) Not at home atm though

When you can
Do it
Because apparently I can give orders

He looks shit though! don't get your expections up ;)

Well as long as you can see what it looks like
If I tried it, it would... Yea that wouldn't go very well

beat the first 3 pokemon boss battles easily
then get 6 birds and do number 4

Beat them with charmander easy anyway because charmander doesn't even afraid of anyone.

>Implying rock and water are easily defeated by fire

>Metal Claw

Catch a Manky near Viridian, get it to level 11, Low Kick Brock's shit. Charmander covers everything until Brock with ease and can shred through his rock types with Metal Claw.
Get a Zubat in Mt.Moon and level it up, confuse those silly starfish of Misty's. Wreck some shit. There you go. Or just over-level your Charmander to hell and take it down anyway. Fuck Bulbasaur. Fuck Squirtle. Charizard for life son.

We were talking about fire not other pokémon you could catch
And charizard is overrated. 4 times weak against fire. There's nothing special about charizard. It's not even af dragon

You mean 4x weakness to Electricity. If it's overrated that's probably because it does its job well. It's fast and it hits hard, which is more than you can say about a Venasaur. It's slow and has some bulk but there are grass types that can do its job just as well. Vileplume for one. You know of any Fire types that are as good as Charizard that are easily obtainable early in the game? Arcanine and Rapidash you'll have to wait a while for.

To be honest this whole argument is irrelevant, simply overlevel the pokemon of your choice and you can beat the entire game with it and it alone, regardless of type.

Fuck
I meant to say rock
Charizard is 4 times weak against rock
A fire type is not weak to fire. That makes no sense

charizard can learn earthquake for a reason is all I am saying

Earthquake is a ground type move, not rock type

ground is super effective against rock and electricity, two of charizard's weaknesses and he is fast so he can normally take them out with it before they get a shot in

Stealth rock before the trainer switches out to charizard
Or a jolteon could easily be faster than a charizard. Or a pikachu

And electricity. Wink.

Yea but it's only 2 times weak against electricity. Unless fire, somehow, became weak to it aswell

charizard is not weak to fire.

Fuck
I meant 4 times weak against rock
Why would a fire type be weak to fire

a*

Charmander is just that boss. I beat fire red with just charmander and a hm slave.
Besides, you can evolve him to charmelion to learn metal claw if you aren't epic enough

Charmander and its evo line is overrated

double kick at lvl 16

>beat the first 3 pokemon boss battles easily
>first 3 pokemon boss battles
>pokemon boss battles

gym battles
gym trainer battles
ok, the last time i played pokemon was when i was 10, calm your shirt.

If you're only using your starter chances are you'd lose anyway. After the first 3 gyms you should have 2 or 3 other pokemon that cover each other fairly well.

Dat roll

god damn it. I have a better image for this, but I can't post any images...

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VG cats related somehow thread activated.

10/10. Would read again.

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Against charmander?

if you have a potion you're fine.

BULBA- BULBA- BULBASAURRR

And that's an Ivysaur

Because Bulbasaurs don't evolve or anything

We are not talking about his evolution, we are talking about Bulb.
And if he realy want's to show his power and talk about evolutions, he should of put a picture of Venusaur.

wants*

I laughed way harder than i should've at that pic

in the last battle for the kanto series didn't red end up with charizard, blue end up with blastiod, and green got venusaur?

Red started off with bulbasaur and named it saur
He then gets the other starters from Blue and Green when he goes to Mt. Silver to heal his injuries from the Elite Four.

bulbasaur is best starter

Cant really tank with super effective attacks

one turn, maybe 2 is more than enough to sleep powder, then it all goes downhill

I guess its play style I always focused on straight up damage more than effects, I think the only effects I used is when I would bring a butterfree to catch a legendary.

But going back to the argument, it is not tanking when the opponent is not attacking.
The spec def does not make up for the double damage.

Also correct when if im wrong but fire blast and sleep powder have about the same chance in working.

Sleep powder has horrible accuracy, and even if you could get it to hit by turn two Charizard is typically faster and on both turns can hit with a super effective flamethrower and that would easily take out the venusaur, and sure venusaur might have chlorophyll but sunny day would ensure his defeat by fire.

hidden power rock

I just finished making my second reply and Its cool to see someone else with the same idea

It all depends on how well you do your EV training, a EV trained venasaur can easily wipe the floor with several non EV trained fire types

I assumed everyone was talking in red blue yellow orginal pokemon

well in RBY special defense and attack were together as a same stat

so for example, chansey had a whopping 105 special def and attack

and amnesia was pretty much the most overpowered move, and mewtwo had it.

its kinda interesting

"fire only good against ice and grass"
fucking steel and bug, man.

he was talking about red and blue for the gameboy colour, there is no steel in that and bug isnt even a type to worry about in those games...

Fair points, but only Youngster Joey uses bug type and steel didn't exist in Gen 1.

But seriously. Look at this majestic bitch. Shiny: fucking black.

I'm not saying Charizard isn't fucking badass, but look at Big Poppa B... he's like the Biggie Smalls of the pokemon world... fuckin' swagged out and shit.

Yeah, but thats not even him in his glory days. He's all old in your picture. He was much cooler in his youth.

Fuck yeah Squirtle Squad.

Where can I find that shirt? D:

I'm trying to find it and who the fuck thumbed me down for that comment?!

No idea, but I brought you back to Nuetral.

www.spreadshirt.com/the-squad-t [hyphen] shirts-C3376A7067532

Awesome. I'm gonna get it in Red so he looks like he's wearing Kamina Shades, dual reference for the win.

but is also weak to water, rock, ground, whereas water is only weak to electricity and grass.

Whereas Charizard sucks competitively and Blastoise is decent, whereas Venusaur can easily go on rampage under sunny day.

To sum it up, just play Pokemon Yellow.
You can have the first 3 and an awesome following Pikachu!

Damn right.

I kind of want this as a .gif saying something along the lines of "Haters gonna hate" or "Like I give a fuck."

I do too, but I'm not the guy to ask I dunno how to edit gifs :/

I think Haters gonna Hate is perfect