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#416 - anonymous (11/07/2012) [-]
See that is why guns should be illegal to have in public all together. You should only have one for sport hunting and even then you would need a license.

America is cray cray. You should NOT have the right to bear arms. That is just stupid.
User avatar #527 to #416 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
America was FOUNDED because people owned weapons and were able to overthrow oppressive government. Our right to bear arms is the ultimate check against government. It gives us a way out should our rights start to get taken away by the people tasked with protecting them.

Educate yourself. You may learn a thing or two.
#504 to #416 - spidahridah (11/07/2012) [-]
In America you should. In more civilized countries you shouldn't.
#449 to #416 - snaikravdra (11/07/2012) [-]
i bet dumb ***** like youself wouldn't voice your opinion so much if everyone you said stupid stuff to carried a gun.
#441 to #416 - anonymous (11/07/2012) [-]
While this is the Internet, and all Anon are entitled to their own opinion, I believe you have grossly over-simplified a complex topic.
#431 to #416 - theelderscrolls (11/07/2012) [-]
why dont you sign in and say it like a man?
why dont you sign in and say it like a man?
User avatar #420 to #416 - wewilldinealone (11/07/2012) [-]
Say that when you are being mugged or some shoots up something that you just so happen to be in.
User avatar #466 to #420 - ericzxvc (11/07/2012) [-]
You get mugged by gun point, two possible scenarios
You try to pull out your gun, they shoot you, you die
They take your money, and somehow don't notice that you have a gun even though they're ******* mugging you, they start to leave and you are now going to live a couple bucks short. You pull out your miraculously unnoticed gun and shoot at them, a gun fight erupts and you have a chance of dying to save $50, ******************** , you changed 100% of life into possible death for a few bucks.
User avatar #533 to #466 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
So based off of a hypothetical scenario, I shouldn't bother to protect myself at all?
User avatar #538 to #533 - ericzxvc (11/07/2012) [-]
How about you offer a possibility that makes you actually survive your encounter.
User avatar #541 to #538 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
1. Home defense
2. Shootings (ie, dark knight rises shooting, Congresswoman Gabriel Giffords shooting)
3. Any situation where someone intends to do bodily hard to you (Trayvon Martin case)

What you're trying to say is that because you MIGHT not be able to use it in certain instances, there's no point in owning a gun to defend yourself. It's common sense to provide yourself with the best protection you can.
User avatar #562 to #541 - ericzxvc (11/07/2012) [-]
God you're dumb, first off I was referring to the scenario I offered.
Second, if anybody tried to shoot in the Dark Knight Rises shooting they only would have killed more people and perhaps gotten shot themselves. The theatre was dark and gassed, and the attacker was wearing full body armour and a gas mask, in that scenario you shooting would cause somebody else to shoot at you, the shooter to shoot at you, and you have an overwhelming chance of hurting another civilian shooting through the gas because you have a next to zero chance of actually affecting the shooter.

The only reason somebody died in the Trayvon Martin case is BECAUSE he had a gun, he went after a kid with his gun and then shot him, if he had no gun everyone would have lived.

So thank you for giving examples that directly help my case.
User avatar #584 to #562 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
Funny how you call me dumb, yet you get your facts wrong.

For someone who seems so against guns, you sure seem to know a lot about the logistics of engaging an armed criminal.

Don't pretend you know how it would have played out. I seem to recall a group of people capable of taking down overpowering enemies in difficult circumstances. It's possible to do, you just need proper training in use of your firearm (which any responsible gun owner should do). Additionally, body armor =/= invincibility. Your chances of taking down a person in body armor is reduced, but nowhere near zero.

You obviously are uneducated of the events behind the Trayvon Martin shooting. Trayvon was shot because he was on top of Zimmerman and beating the ever-loving **** out of him (autopsy reports and medical examinations of Zimmerman confirm this). Zimmerman could have easily been killed. The Trayvon Martin shooting is a perfect example of how a firearm can save your life.

It helps if you actually know what you're talking about. Nice try though.

While I'm at it, I'll educate you on a few more things.
You seem to think that I believe a firearm will protect me from every situation. It won't, and I'm well aware of this. But life is uncertain and we can't possibly know what it holds. So it pays to be prepared. Like having health insurance, owning a firearm will keep me prepared for situations that need to be prepared for.

A long time ago a bunch of people overthrew an oppressive King and his government with their own firearms. These people made their own country and decided that citizens of their new country should be able to own firearms should the same thing happen again (history tends to repeat itself). They called this the second amendment, it's true purpose to allow us to preserve our rights against any threat, foreign or domestic.

Simply put, if a mugger, rapist, or serial killer were to pick between me and you, they'd pick you every time. So I choose to protect myself.

User avatar #542 to #541 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
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User avatar #535 to #423 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/07/2012) [-]
weed is illegal, yet people still smoke it (quite commonly too).

Guns would be the same way. You can't eliminate them altogether. It didn't work in prohibition either.
User avatar #511 to #423 - Cartouk (11/07/2012) [-]
That argument is ******** , if they're mugging you then obviously they have no concern for the law so making firearms illegal would mean nothing to them other than the surety the whomever they're mugging won't have a way to defend themselves.
#448 to #423 - anonymous (11/07/2012) [-]
And... what universe are you living in?
Mr. Hippy-go-lucky
Let me know when you find that genie and waste a wish asking for there to be no more guns in the world.
Like what twistedwun said. Even if they are illegal, if someone really wants to get a gun they -will- get a gun. They're already breaking one law plotting to shoot someone, what the hell does another one matter?
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#437 to #423 - lilpinkkitsune (11/07/2012) [-]
You can't be mugged with a knife? Seriously? If someone came up behind you and put a knife to your back I am pretty sure you do whatever the heck he says.
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User avatar #458 to #446 - whosaidwut (11/07/2012) [-]
Thank god those hoodlums are confined to dark spaces between buildings
way to stick to the stereotype that muggings can only happen in a dark alleyway.
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User avatar #488 to #471 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
And if you're needing to grab groceries at night alone? Guess it's your fault you got mugged then. No, it's still the muggers fault. The mugger just wants money, not a murder.
User avatar #486 to #471 - whosaidwut (11/07/2012) [-]
Depending on how well equipped a person is, yes. All they would need is something to cover their face, something obvious that they can dump after the crime ('loud' coat for example), and a -threatening- weapon.

Generally when someone is mugging you they depend on you watching their weapon, not their face or their basic clothing, because that's the really threatening thing that keeps your focus.

Other people won't assist you, for fear of being attacked by the mugger, or drawing his/her attention to them. I've seen a mugging happen in broad daylight. Want to know what I did? Ran the hell away, and called the cops, but by then it was too late. I was unarmed, and knew from looking at the mugger that I couldn't take him, even if I had the element of surprise on him.
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User avatar #507 to #497 - whosaidwut (11/07/2012) [-]
"but you guys were obviously too immature to discuss this without thumbing anyone down"

Right... because... That's why I typed up a massive response on a scenario of being mugged in daylight. Clearly giving you a scenario, as well as details about said scenario that you originally offered as a combative question is me just being immature and not wanting to discuss this issue. Thank god we got that all cleared up.

I thumbed you down because I disagree with your statements, because you attacked my country , blamed the victims of muggings, and because you don't have an open mind about foreign country's policies. Sorry I'm the immature one, I guess.
#457 to #446 - lilpinkkitsune (11/07/2012) [-]
Great so now you blame the victim. Good going there. Honestly though I live in a relatively crime free area of Texas, literally nothing happens here, ever, but plenty of people carry guns with them everywhere because concealed weapons are allowed. The thing is everyone knows that anyone around you could be carrying a gun at any time so it is best not to chance it. I don't know about how it is to live in a high crime city so I couldn't even pretend to know how everyone having guns would affect them. Also don't act like just because I am an American I am brainwashed. I know that the likelihood of me being mugged is pretty damn low, but it doesn't mean I am not cautious, being stupid is how you get killed.
User avatar #461 to #457 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
I live in Chicago and I think that a concealed carry is more effective than an open carry. The reason being that an open carry just tells everyone you have a gun, so the murderers and such go for you first. Whereas a concealed carry, you never know who has a gun, so if a murderer goes for one person, he could be shot seconds later by a person who had a concealed gun.
#470 to #461 - lilpinkkitsune (11/07/2012) [-]
Yea see I thought of that to, but at the same time wouldn't it help to deter crime? knowing that multiple people around you are carrying?
User avatar #605 to #470 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
It would, I just feel open carry would make you more of a target for someone who feels like going on a rampage.
User avatar #454 to #446 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
Wait wait wait, it is our fault for being mugged? We shouldn't go places that a mugging can happen because then it will be our fault we are mugged? That is the same as saying that it is a woman's fault she gets raped because she dresses slutty.
#435 to #423 - gliese (11/07/2012) [-]
implying thugs obey the laws already set in place.
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User avatar #432 to #423 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
LOL WHAT, people who do the shooting get the guns illegally....
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User avatar #453 to #443 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
Because we all know nothing can be smuggled into the borders of a nation... besides, even if every gun was removed, then that would leave people with machetes and axes, knives. We will even use our hands to kill somebody. And most guns used to do shootings and such are bought illegally because then there's no paper trail.
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User avatar #606 to #476 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
It's impossible.
User avatar #482 to #476 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
Also, I'm pretty sure things are smuggled into every nation. However, when you share a massive desert border with a nation rampant with violent crime, it's hard to keep them from smuggling in drugs and weapons.
User avatar #478 to #476 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
Actually, gun deaths take a long time usually. Unless you hit them just right in the head. But generally, people who get shot survive, and they're usually fine because of hospitals saving them. Most gun deaths are from people bleeding out, or committing suicide.
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User avatar #483 to #480 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
No, because if you know what you're doing with a knife, you can kill somebody in one stab, and they'll die in less than fifteen seconds. Most people don't know how to use a gun correctly, they just point and pull the trigger. One stab to the kidney, and you'll have to get a transplant, if you survive. You'd be surprised how often a person survives a gunshot, and how few survive a knife attack.
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User avatar #493 to #490 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
Believe me buddy, a lung shot doesn't kill in seconds. It's quite obvious you've seen way too many movies, and not read about what a bullet does.
User avatar #479 to #478 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
So, if you have enough will power, you can take the bitch out with your bare hands after being shot ten times.
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User avatar #516 to #499 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]

Anyway, seeing how you're convinced guns are super killing machines, just look at this post and you'll see that most people agree that guns aren't that lethal generally, unless it's just a well placed shot.
User avatar #510 to #499 - commontroll (11/07/2012) [-]
No, the time it takes to suffocate, as you are no longer getting air. However, if you're able to, you can use one lung and still survive. Asphyxiation comes when the brain no longer has blood flowing to it, suffocation is when your lungs get no air. Suffocation can take minutes, asphyxiation takes about 15 seconds before the person is unconscious. You will still be able to be alive and conscious for about a minute if your lung is pierced. Possibly longer.
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User avatar #659 to #658 - commontroll (11/09/2012) [-]
Actually, it's really not that hard. You just need a basic understanding of anatomy, specifically, how to make it not work. Slip a blade into their spine and use leverage and suddenly their spinal cord is severed. The arteries in your neck, in your thighs, in your armpit, slicing down the bottom side of their forearms, kidneys, liver, all these are able to easily kill somebody, and it's not too hard to hit them at point blank. Not to mention, guns can be heard for literally miles.
User avatar #451 to #443 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
Gun sales have restrictions that lower the amount of people who are unfit to own them, not to mention getting things illegally is pretty easy. Government is never trustworthy, it's all about money and power. Even in the USA. A long term project to collect every gun? That will never happen because there is no point. People will still get guns, and the country will just be wasting money. As for racism, there is racism everywhere, and considering that slowly but surely more people of different races are immigrating to America than white people, it's not that big of a problem. Saying the USA is racist is like saying the USA is full of people. So is every other country.
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User avatar #604 to #468 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
First off, the government will never be able to crack down on all the illegal gun sellers. Never gonna happen. Just like drugs, prostitution, robbery, or anything. You can't completely eliminate that **** anywhere in the world. As for the government wanting the best for its people? Hah, that's a joke, the government wants what is best for the government. That is how it is everywhere. The people are just how they get it.
User avatar #434 to #432 - twistedwun (11/07/2012) [-]
So making all guns illegal wouldn't change anything.
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