Fall of Society

I''m not going to lie. That's terrifying.

The scary thing is that we're closer to either of those futures now than when they were written.

I dont understand. explain how too much pleasure will could lead to my downfall?

I read Nineteen Eight-four, and it was fucking great
the guy banged a girl he didn't want to

then he was tortured

I liked it.

It's not that huxley is right and orwell is wrong. It's that Brave New World's characteristics are more closely observed in free media countries (USA, UK) while 1984 represents what Nazi Germany and Stalinist Soviet Union were and what North Korea is now.

What isn't mentioned and I think is the most important principles of the two books is that choice is completely removed from the two worlds. Ignorance is strength. In 1984 the ministry of truth controls everything you know and knowing anything that disagrees with the ministry of truth is wrong. In Brave New World you are indoctrinated from Birth with all your beliefs and feelings so you inherently have no choice as to what you like or dislike.

For more legendary books on the subject of dystopia, see We by Yevgeny Zamyatin and A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess

I live in China.
I guess both depict everyday's life, here.

Two incredible novels. If you haven't read both, I highly recommend it.

Both books are good reads. The words "Orgy Porgy" still got a chuckle though

i'd rather die in a sea of sick hedonistic pleasure than be shot by a modern-day nazi stormtrooper.

Little confused. Is it saying that Orwell is wrong, because he seems to have hit the nail on the head for me

I love Brave New World ...

Yes i realize there is a problem, yes i realize that i may be able to do something about it, and yes I realize that others do not give a fuck about anything... but even if i could do something i don't even know what i would do.

Fuck neil postman, both men were right not just one.

People are preoccupied with meaningless (or nearly meaningless) fluff in the world produced by people that want to make money the easiest way possible. theres endless censorship and coverup of the things that matter (I also allow myself to be distracted too)

These would both be valid
...If the majority of the people on this site weren't living in upper class nations with relaxed governments and the RIGHT TO PROTEST.
The fact that you are able to post this proves your point is irreverent.

I think both are great and have useful applications but I don't like how this comic seems to blow off Orwell's message as "yeah, it's powerful, but not near so applicable." We are creatures of great potential. I will never look at humans in a cynical eye like so many and exclaim "all in vain!" but we do have the potential for evil and destruction in our hearts. Orwell's work didn't create a world where hate existed thus the system of Big Brother worked. It created a world where our hate was directed at something so as to give us a natural reason to huddle closer to our team, our Big Brother, so to speak. Furthermore, pain and pleasure, while separate concepts, can be together. Honestly, whether we like it or not, any feeling we have makes us feel alive. To hate something honestly feels good. As humans we will have things we do not desire shaped by our society and to have that hate directed so blatantly pointed at one thing, to make it okay to despise another people to the point of wanting them all dead, is honestly a pleasure in pleasure's deepest darkest sense.

At least that's my opinion.

OMFG my last name is McMillen! I've basically never seen anyone with that name, and never spelled that way!

I loved the book 1984.

Picture completely unrelated.

I still liked 1984 better though. I found the writing style superior.