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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#12 - allamericandude
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I'm not saying there isn't life out there in the universe, but until we actually find it we can't go around claiming that there is. Every now and then during these religion v. atheism ********** you see someone make the argument "hurr you think we're the only life in the universe ha you're dumb." But right now, the people who say that there isn't any other life in the universe are just as correct as the people who say there is. There's no evidence either way. It's kind of like Schrodinger's Cat (in principle): Until we actually observe alien life, for all we know the universe is teaming with life, or we are all alone. We just don't know. And it doesn't matter what they say the "odds" are, because no matter how big they think the odds are there will always be a chance that they're wrong, until we make a definitive discovery.

There are some things we just don't know yet. We shouldn't accept that fact, but we should understand it. We'll get the answers eventually. But don't get ahead of yourselves.
User avatar #41 to #12 - rtnn
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There were actually worms found on the moon, so there's that.
User avatar #53 to #41 - ruinsage
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no
#26 to #12 - awesomenessdefined
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The Nobel prize for this year was for directly observing Decoherence. So we could actually observe superpositions.
User avatar #32 to #26 - allamericandude
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At quantum levels. When I mentioned Schrodinger's Cat, I was trying to draw a parallel to a metaphorical "superposition" on a macroscopic scale--ie, the whole universe. And by "superposition", I just mean a general uncertainty about whether alien life exists or not.

Like I said, "in principle".
User avatar #34 to #32 - awesomenessdefined
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Super-positions only happen on a microscopic scale, don't they? The macroscopic scale thing is just uncertainty. Super positions are if something is both true and false at the same time.
User avatar #35 to #34 - allamericandude
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Sorry, I don't think I explained myself that well.

My "Schrodinger's Cat" simile was meant to convey the idea that until we observe evidence one way or the other, we can not make any definitive claims about the existence of alien life. The whole idea of Schrodinger's Cat was that we could not possibly know whether the cat was alive or dead until we observed it. If we didn't observe it, it would remain in a state where we simply don't know whether it's alive or dead.

If you broaden your definition of "superposition", it can happen at any level. And you're right, at it's core "superposition" really just means "uncertainty". It doesn't necessarily mean that an object is in two states at the same time (though in quantum mechanics that IS what happens, as those Noble Prizers helped prove.)
User avatar #36 to #35 - awesomenessdefined
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Alrighty then. I'll be on my way.
#48 to #36 - thapauper
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Did an intelligent science-related discussion just happen on the internet, and on funnyjunk of all places, without someone yelling out faggot or ******?! I'm...I'm moved...
User avatar #97 to #48 - deadrifler
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I...I...I think I am complete. I can go to sleep in peace now after reading this.
User avatar #58 to #48 - kandazz
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It did happen and someone needs to capture this moment for all to see. Sans my post.
User avatar #40 to #12 - pokemonstheshiz
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As far as I'm concerned, there has to be other life. Hear me out.

I don't think it is possible that this universe is finite. Either this one is infinite, or it is part of an infinite number of universes. "To suggest an ending is the one absurdity."
And that's not even counting the possibility of other dimensions, whether they be parallel or not.

And given this infinite set of universes/dimensions, in an infinite set everything, no matter how unlikely, occurs an infinite number of times, purely by mathematics.
User avatar #100 to #12 - syndromes
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Life is an inevitable consequence of the existence of the whole universe.
User avatar #172 to #12 - ILikeGreen
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I understand what you are saing and agree.

But out there is so huge, with some many possibilities, there is a great chance of there being intelligent life.
User avatar #33 to #12 - angelojuusan
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While your argument is logical and reasonable, I always fall back on good ol' Carl Sagan: It's an awfully big universe, and to think that we're the only ones out there seems an awful waste of space. That being said, if we are the only ones out there...mass hysteria would ensue.
User avatar #50 to #33 - sirmatthew
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maybe were just supposed to eventually occupy it ;)

User avatar #55 to #50 - ruinsage
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before we would be able to travel that far away, the universe would be ripped apart by vacuum energy on a molecular level.

the big rip
User avatar #56 to #55 - sirmatthew
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naw n00b just put some more perks into space travel, you dont need speech and barter
User avatar #54 to #12 - ruinsage
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that is true, but the likelihood of there being alien life is overwhelming.

It's like evolution, no we do not have any proof that evolution is the absolutely only way we could have come into existence

We just have absolutely OVERWHELMING evidence that is it by far the most likely scenario.

Science just works like that.
#64 to #54 - jinkazama
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We DO have proof of evolution you ********
#132 to #64 - ruinsage
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we don't have definitive proof, which is why religious nutbags can still cling to the notion of creationism. Like we don't have any definitive proof of the big bang, even if the guy who came up with the theory predicted the cosmic background radiation several years in advance.

Unless we can rule out with absolute certainty that there is only one possible explanation, that explanation remains a theory. So no, we do not have proof of evolution, we have supporting evidence.
#229 to #132 - jinkazama
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There is proof of evolution though. 100% absolute proof. Google it
User avatar #104 to #12 - churrundo
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holy **** I hadn't noticed you could use italic on comments! that will be useful for some particularly sarcastic comments
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User avatar #109 to #12 - lordfaggotmaster
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God I hope I live long enough to find out if there is life elsewhere. Or at least see bigfoot captured.
User avatar #110 to #12 - EdwardNigma
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Haven't we found cells and bacteria, technically living things, on Mars and ****?
User avatar #173 to #110 - allamericandude
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No. We thought we did, but it turned out to be weird little sediments.
User avatar #158 to #110 - thegreatmateusbear
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That is very true, we have found the fossilized remains of bacteria from meteors from Mars. We found a big one August 6, 1996.
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#222 to #213 - EdwardNigma
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******* Mars. Giving us false hope with it's dry ice and it's ********. **** that, I want to go to Mercury.
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#37 - grimmwaters
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But there are whales in space
But there are whales in space
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#42 to #37 - TheFixer
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pic related its a star whale
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User avatar #226 to #81 - TheFixer
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thanks :D
#17 - fancyshark
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if aliens 65 light years away look at earth, they will see earth with dinosaurs roaming the planet
if aliens 65 light years away look at earth, they will see earth with dinosaurs roaming the planet
User avatar #88 to #17 - popadoo
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...*facepalm*
User avatar #46 to #17 - EvilFluffyBunny
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You may want to make a minor correction in your statement.
User avatar #103 to #17 - churrundo
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they would see elvis
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Whales are a lie made up by The Man to distract us from the real problem: They're polluting our air supply with evil.
#99 - killerkreate
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A damn good quote.
#119 to #99 - dieblackpeople
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what have we got here? three dolphins, that's what.
#118 - yuknowherpderp
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This guy is so ******* great.
User avatar #59 - kandazz
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Anyone seen that quote from the new X-COM?

"Two possibilities exist:
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not.
Both are equally terrifying."
-Arthur C. Clarke

I think this is the best summation of the discussion ever.
User avatar #11 - I Am Monkey
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Google "Fermi Paradox" and prepare to have your mind blown.
In a nutshell:
-The sun is a young star
-If other civilizations exist they will have had millions of years to advance
-Technology advances exponentially, look how far we've come in a few thousands of years
-Some civilizations will be incomprehensibly advanced and very old
-Even if FTL is impossible they would have had ample time to reach Earth
-Earth is very desirable; perfect distance from the sun, already supports life and is safe from asteroids
-Why is there no evidence of alien life?

Possible explanations:
-Advanced civilizations will inevitably destroy themselves.
-Evolution favors civilizations that stay under the radar.
-There are steps in the progression to space faring civilization that are very hard to make.
-We are alone.
User avatar #16 to #11 - izzygirl
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OR MAYBE:
They aren't as advanced as we fantasize them to be and they're just as primitive, possibly even more so, as we currently are.
User avatar #18 to #11 - biggrand
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the ultimate realization I would assume would be voluntary suicide if any species reached its peak, considering the most efficient way to live a life is to not live at all, I would just imagine if intelligent species lived at all, they might have destroyed themselves by now.
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User avatar #29 to #22 - awesomenessdefined
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So you take the whole species with you.
User avatar #27 to #11 - awesomenessdefined
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Desirable for us. For all we know aliens would rather have Venus.
And another possible reason we haven't seen them is if all other life forms have a rule of not interfering with a species until it develops Space travel, like in Star tek
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#45 to #11 - whatamidoingwithme
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Maybe where they live is in a better condition?
User avatar #13 to #11 - anonemous
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or maybe they cruise by in their flying saucers and laugh at how primitive we are and are unwilling to make contact until we "grow up"
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On that topic...
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#225 to #44 - anonemous
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Now I am prepared!
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User avatar #82 - nebuchadnezzaurus
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Firstly, the only reason the human race even exists is because of a mind-numbing series of coincidences (to name a few: the optimal position of the Earth relative to the Sun. The optimal hotness and size of the sun. The presence of Jupiter that, since forever, has shielded the Earth from deadly meteorite showers. The abundance of mineral resources. The unique chemical properties of carbon, the basis for all organic compounds. And most of all, nothing actually happening on a cosmic scale around here for a while) Seriously, we're only able to consider all this because we were the result of the only lucky combination in a billion trillion failures. And to think there was even a second impossible combination like that?
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User avatar #91 to #82 - chuca
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considering we've studied less than 1% of the universe and already know of several planets where life could be sustainable, its ignorant to think that life doesnt exist out there somewhere, probably so far that we'll never know no matter how much we look,plus we already know bacterial life exists on other planets
User avatar #92 to #82 - cartmanymen
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saying all planets in the universe has to have the same properties as earth does to create life is like saying well i cant breath under water so nothing can