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You do realize he can LIFT more than a ton, run at something like 25 MPH without the suit.

The suit also enhances body functions.

Let's put it this way, it was so much, they had the suit on someone without the genetic modifications that chief had. The guy moved his arm, it broke so fast it caused several spams that splintered the guy and killed him.

Only a spartan can wear the suits, because only they have been genetically modified enough to use them without dying.

Don't the suits also go really fucking fast? Like the chief normally has to wait for marines to catch up when he's with them? Unless you play the games, then you're slow as shit. The books state they run faster then marines even in the 1,000 pound armour.

Yeah. The suits put the strength of Chief, I.e not the fastest, strongest, or smartest, on par with a brute in strength.

He could also run at like. 60 in his suit for pretty much ever.

That's debatable since a team of Spartans nearly got their shit slapped by some Brutes in one of the books.

That depends on how many there were. If a 6 person team of spartans like, say, Noble team went up against an entire army of brutes, they'd lose easy.

I think it was Blue Team, so it was John, Fred, Linda, Kelly and maybe one or two more of them. I can't remember which book it was. I also think it was the first time they had fought brutes, so it's more of an anecdotal example.
Also, you probably already know this, but the Spartan III's are weaker than the Spartan II's. The 2's where the super badass proof of concept, the 3's were the toned down expendable production model. One of the books describes an entire company of 3's getting sacrificed to take out a Covenant generator.

Spartan 3's are significantly weaker than 2's.

2's are the strongest. Examples are Kelly, Chief, etc etc. 2's could take on a brute in regular G's, and in 0G are weaker, only roughly on terms with an elite.

1's are the weakest. Example being Sgt Johnson. They can beat the shit out of the average schmuck, but in the end are trounced severely by the elites.

3's are the happy medium. They are a match against a single elite, on a good day.

Wait, Avery was part of the ORION Project? That explains a lot of things.

Yeah.

Now I know why he could take a tank shell to the face in Halo 1.

You should read the books. He busted shit up. Fought a guy who had the upper hand because of surprised, and kicked his ass.

I've read most of the major ones I think. The only one I remember him being in was Contact Harvest.

Yeah. That's the one where he fucked up the Irish dude. Think he was Irish anyway.

The 3s were made because the 2s cost millions each. They were mainly sent on suicide missions. Pretty sure when blue team got fucked up was the first brute encounter.

In the books, Either Linda or Kelly ( two other spartan II's) was able to sprint up to 50-60 km/h which is equivalent to 37 MPH

I think Kelly was the one renowned for being extremely fast, didn't John use her as a scout in the exercise where they got dropped in the middle of nowhere?

Yep, it's Kelly. I think one of the books described her reaction speed being so high it was unmeasurable with her armor on.

except the books state that he can sprint 50 mph . I forget how long he can do it for but the fact remains the same, the games make him seem broken

It was km/h not mph. That's only 33% faster than Usain Bolt sprinting.

Still, You don't go anywhere near that fast in game

>only
He's wearing 450kg of armour. It's also Usain motherfucking Bolt, who can only keep his top speed for about 10 seconds.

After that info only thing I could've thought was this :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRPJh-LJq1o

it's also powered by a fuckin nuclear fusion reactor on the back.

i thought that the suit did most of the work.



i read the books

John beat two hard-as-fuck ODSTs within an inch of their lives as part of his workout routine. Even without the suits, the Spartans were a force not to be fucked with. The Mjolnir armor does some of the work, but it's still just amplifying 130 kg of rock-hard muscle, Wolverine bones and whoop-ass. And John wasn't even the strong one. One of them (either Fred or Sam) was a full head taller than most of the Spartans. I imagine he could probably bench a Scorpion.

While being a valid point, it is POWER armour, its not like its just a dead weight. Plus its powered by some sort of nuclear reactor if I'm correct. The armour enhances all of their abilities, even their speed (The spartans are the only one who can use the suits without shattering their limbs because of the neural speed required to operate one)

I read too much lore.

In the books as kids, even without the suits they were enhanced to run like blurs.

The suit was said to increase that further.

They really move too slow in the games....

It's a super suit. He can jump how high in it?
All I'm saying is, he should be able to sprint in a suit like that.

OBJECTION!

You can't argue wit video game logic!

Wouldn't a suit that advanced have some sort of accommodation for that fact? Basically what the comment below me says...
But with all the technology in the Halo series, it would seem foolish to stick a man in a suit that weighs over 700 pounds and expect him to even be able to stand

Actually, the armor is powered by a mini-nuclear reactor essentially. Were a typical human to wear it, it is responsive enough such that a slight twitch of the finger is enough to cause the suit to move fast and forcefully enough to rip the arm out of its socket or shatter bones. The resulting convulsions causes this to continue until the person is a twisted mass of crushed bones and organs.

So yea, it compensates.

if it over compensates that much for low strength, just imagine what it would do for a man with a small penis

but in some of the cutscenes in the game he spints like the biggining of halo 3 he lunges towards the elite guy and holds a magnum to his face

not to mention if you watch the red vs blue series, you see a spartan II with the sprint ability and they can go for longer time and faster, Spartan III's are just failures.

then how do they wear power armor if they're not spartans?

or, you know, RVB isn't Official Halo.

Just Rooster Teeth, not the creators of Halo, Smartass

I didn't say it was cannon, I'm just pointing out that it would make sense for a spartan II to get better use out of sprint.

so what about Samus Aran huh, she has huge armor on her and she sprints for miles on end no problem.

thats because she acquired the speed booster ability on planet Zebes

but she could run before that too...

but not as fast

but she could still run for longer than chief can

personally i think she is more badass

yea i play metroid more than halo (not trying to be a dick with my comments)
ive played the trilogy from metroid
and ive played a couple of halo games awhile back (i personally loved that sword that one hits)

Can you actually do that?
Increased speed and such?

That guy's using a modded Xbox. The program you can use to mod Reach is actually pretty cool. You can change things, and see live changes in game, like changing your Assault Rifle to a Rocket Launcher with unlimited ammo that shoots out Mongooses.

mongooses. hahaha

You can actually change the sprint speed how ever you want in private games. You just press "Settings" and guide yourself to "movement speed". unfortunately you can only boost it up to 300% :(

No he isn't.

Just put change the movement settings.

While he is using a modded xbox, it's possible to do that for real in some locations. I don't know where though.

And yet they still move at a sluggish jog in-game. I'm fairly familiar with the lore (didn't know the numbers, knew that they were very fast), and that always bugged me.

Well the games are kind of forced to cater to the fact that if the character on screen were able to move at it's potential the player wouldn't be able to keep up. Still could go faster before that becomes an issue though.

Exactly what I mean. Yeah, there's going too fast, but you could easily either make Chief go faster or make it seem like he's going faster without breaking the game.

I imagine if he moved like he did, close combat should be much more interesting than a rifle butt to the head, too.

Oh, lord, that's another thing that annoyed the hell out of me. The Spartans are these super-strong, super-fast people in armour powered by individual nuclear reactors, and nobody things that, maybe, just maybe, the guy capable of tossing around Warthogs and jumping several metres in the air would benefit from some kind of melee weapon?

I mean, fuck, it's not like it's impractical. Several enemy types - high-ranking ones at that - either integrate melee weapons into their arsenal or use them exclusively. Just reverse engineer a plasma sword, or a gravity hammer; you've fought enough people with them to capture at least ONE.

Hell, it doesn't even have to be that. It could just be a super-dense, plasma-resistant length of metal that the Spartans swing around for melee attacks instead of hitting things with their guns. Which, by the way, are pretty damn fragile, since they were designed to be used by a regular guy instead of effing Master Chief.

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Never a fan of the Halo games, honestly, and glaring, easily fixed errors between lore and gameplay are one of the reasons why.

now lets compare that to a space marine who charges at around 900 meters in 3 seconds. not trying to start animosity just some other sprint statistics.

The games (at least CE, 2, 3, ODST) don't have a run/walk dynamic because I suppose they didn't want a high-tension combat feeling like COD had (sprint, scan shoot, relaod, repeat). Would've been interesting if they did that though!

BUT, i find the lore plausible - the idea is that the MJOLNIR armor had a high-efficiency micro-sized fusion reactor (the bulky backpack portion), and actuators throughout the armor that did most of the cool, inhuman shit. (55MPH sprint, punching through an Elites' head, jumping over Hunters, etc)

On top of that, Spartans received treatments that made them all hulks - that combined with their childhood training made them all Olympic+ level athletes.

tl:dr - from a Realisitc-Sci-Fi point of view, i think it's plausible.

just run for it...

this anon knows the business.

get a 2nd controller and play splitscreen.
have the 2nd player sit back and everytime you die you'll just respawn back in safety.

I would rather not spend ~50 dollars to beat one level, though.

then you'll have to play safer and smarter.
party of four makes it much easier too if you've got any friends to play with.

That's probably how I'm going to do it.

And playing safe and smart isn't easy when shit is literally EVERYWHERE.

back up to the last area and pick em off one by one. plasma weapons are great on them.

Here I thought bullets were supposed to work better. It's used to be that plasma weapons could take down shields better, but bullets were more effective against flesh. But I can see why plasma would work in a realistic sense.

get a friend to help u then

Sword+Carbine= Your only hope... Good luck man, and may the force be with you...

man since september 1at I have been attempting to complete the whole trilogy on legendary and let me tell you halo 2 was the hardest by far.

Did you have problems with The Library on the first Halo?

god yes that was a weekend nightmare they really earn their title as flood in that mission.

If you remember the room where the door closes behind you and then there is a seemingly endless wave of flood? Well, if you hide in one of the enclaves where the lights are located, the flood wont touch you and then they just start dying randomly. A pretty sweet glitch that my dad and I found.

cool maybe when I do it all again for Halo 5 I will use it. But it was still way harder than cortana in halo 3 I just don't know what this guy is complaining about.

Solo legendary? If so, godspeed man. May you rest in peace.

when did donut get new armor?

I have that screenshot.

So do I

i always think of arby n the chief

"go fuck a duck" "go fuck a duck?" "go fuck a duck, go fuck 10 ducks, i odnt give a fuck how many ducks you fuck" oh god mah sides!

That wasn't funny at all.

Should i fap to this?

if master chief was a woman, we'd all be fucked superiorly

John 117 is a male, I've read the books.

"I killed him! I'm alive!"
-Man with plasma grenade stuck to foot

agreed. :3 but i honestly never used anything BUT sprint

i thought the image you had was an alien queen in greeny blue

Learn something new every day.

yfw you eat all the bread

Whats's your source, Every single book that features spartans includes their ability to sprint. And if it was too dangerous to sprint, why does jumping make sense? And how does one invent sprint?

When you think about it, most of the spartans sprinting were either Spartan-II's in their MJOLNIR armor, or Spartan-III's in SPI, which was lighter than MJOLNIR. Spartan-II's could sprint and jump and whatnot because no matter how you look at it, they are physically superior to III's.

And thus able to sprint and jump in heavier armor, whilst the Spartans in Halo: Reach were III's in MJOLNIR. They simply weren't strong enough to handle it like a II.

But Spartan IIIs weren't that different, in fact their genetic mutation was more precise, only making them slightly weaker, and their altered mutation and ability to fight off shock in severe situations gave them an slight advantage over IIs, only slight though, and the MJOLNIR armor moved itself fueled by the reactor in the suit, all spartans had to do to move any part of the suit was think it.

You and Sanshiiuum have eerily similar comments...

Spartan-IIIs might not have been as strong as a Spartan-II, but I really doubt that they would be too weak for MJOLNIR. The whole point of the SPI armor system was that it was cheap and gave a chameleon effect to replace the shields of the MJOLNER. Plus, given the brain augmentation, I would even argue that the Spartan-IIIs could outlast Spartan-IIs in an endurance test, in SPI or in MJOLNER. They might not survive, but they could outlast.

And it all depends on whether the armor was the prototype Mark V, real Mark V, VI, or VII. But Mark VII is really only applicable for a competition after the human covenant war.

That is true, seeing as if one of the Covenant managed to put a few needles into the abdomen of a Spartan-II (regardless of how hard that would be for them) they would likely drop soon after detonation... Spartan-IIIs, on the other hand, can ignore that for a time, like when Dante told Kurt that he "got nicked" and then collapsed. Is that what you were getting at?

Oh, and then he died, of course... Poor Dante.

Yeah, something like that. Except, I think Dante got a plasma bolt to the gut. Ill have to look real fast.. Nope, it was actually both. Still, Dante was awesome and I was upset to see him go. Also, (little fanboy bit here) the ending of that book was fucking awesome.

Oh yes it was... Still sucks that Kurt, Will, and Holly were lost... I can't seem to remember if there were any other casualties at the moment...


Ah, no there weren't. It sure is a good thing that I have the book sitting less than twenty feet away. (I just realized how nolife that sounded. I also realized that I don't care, halo is amazing.) Speaking of the ending of Ghosts of Onyx, you know there was a sequel to it, right? And supposedly a sequel to that one coming out 'round the time of Halo 4's release.

Yeah, I have that one as well. And no worries, I have those two books sitting less than 10 feet away. I like it, but not as much as The Flood.

Also, if a sequel to the Cole Protocol comes out, I will be getting that.

That would be great, either see Gray team's next mission after the one at the Rubble, or perhaps where they were at the time of the fall of Reach?

Duck yes. Of course, I'd also like to see some actual forerunners for once. And also to find out what happens to Dr. Halsey and those in the center of Onyx.

Meh, it's hard for me to feel too bad over the death of a III because they really were designed to die

Arn't we all?

I suppose I've always felt bad for those destined to die (the redshirts, if you will) seeing as I never liked seeing Clone Troopers or Stormtroopers in Star Wars die either. Same goes for Marines in any of the Halo games- face it, they're helpful sometimes, but are players really expected to try and keep them alive when there's an achievement for keeping a full group of them standing at one point in Anniversary?

My source is the Halo Reach guide, under Kat's bio section.

Lets be honest here though, is the Video game Reach necessarily a reliable source to base actual events in the halo universe, because that game was a really bad fit into the story line.

It came before Combat Evolved by a few days, maybe a week, if you pay attention to the time stamps in the videos before the levels, and it came from the bio section of an official game guide to a Bungie made game.

Bungie decided that that's how it was.

Well, I feel it's safer to stick with the book rather than the game story line, because the books are a little more consistent, as well as the game is just an overlapping story line
so we are both right

Actually, the books aren't even written by the same person. Multiple people did the books, and the only reason why the books are official is because they're the only thing saying they are or aren't.

Which has more credit, some random person who wrote a (good) book, or the gaming company who created the storyline to begin with?

Just because the books aren't all the same person doesn't mean they aren't consistent, Onyx syncs up with glass lands, first strike syncs with onyx

What do you mean by "syncs" up?

As in there are not any wholes or problems in the story line, they all connect with characters, science, past. None overlap or contradict each other

Indeed true, and ill admit that something on the official website is just as legitimate as the books if not more, but my last problem is that the gamer REACH did have some huge parts that didn't make sense that a game from the book would not have.

That's because when a book is published to a fictional storyline, it's an official part of the storyline. If one writer has master chief on Onyx another cant have a book published where he's somewhere else during the same time period. It actually can't happen. Once one is published, it's official, and that sets whatever is in it into stone.

Well, ctrlaltdeeeez wanted a source, I provided one. I don't see how that deserves a -1

Let us hear you say that when a Banshee bomb is hurtling towards you.

I prefer sprint over drop shield when a banshee could be used against me, i can get to the banshee first or dodge the bomb instead of pinning myself down. against a banshee bomb, armor lock would be better than drop shield.

Actually that is armour lock, its just inside of a bubble shield. If it was a bubble shield it would be centred and there wouldn't be lighting. It was the only Semi-related picture I had. Also, I prefer Evade over run and neither that nor sprint is any good if the banshee doesn't try to ram you/get close.

Ah, I dismissed that for Shields recharging because of the drop shield's effect. But if you can sprint at the right times you can avoid a banshee bomb and a banshee ram and jack the shee, but with evade you only get two before you need to recharge, although if your goal is simply to avoid then it CAN work better. Most of both depend on the maps.

Doesn't it have something to do with removing the safeties on the armor's motion-enhancing motors, to make it so they can run faster and (hypothetically) punch faster and harder, reload faster, etc.?

If I remember correctly, yes. I only bothered to remember the part that I had mentioned.

because it just doesn't make sense. Sure it does in CoD, but in Halo? MC is a super human, wearing a suit that augments his strength and endurance, he can flip a warthog with no problem, flip a tank with no problem, yet he can't sprint for longer than a few seconds. I mean, come on.

And on another note, if he has super human strength, why in the bloody blue hell is the Chief not able to keep dual SMGS from climbing due to recoil in Halo 2? It grinds my gears/.

In the universe of gaming you can have two things, having more of one means having less than the other.

Gameplay - Realism

In my personal opinion it's Gameplay > Realism

Having too much Realism makes a game unbalanced and not fun. Would you really like to play a game that is EXACTLY like life?

Your argument is invalid

no, but hell, Battlefield has unlimited sprinting, granted, the maps are a lot bigger. Those guys run longer than MC, and they aren't genetically engineered super soldiers in high tech armor...

battlefield is gay

I have that game. Tis good, but my internet connection is kinda crappy, so it's a little difficult to play

okay



As said in the instruction manual, this ability is a hack affecting the motion restrictors in the armour that prevent a Spartan from injuring themselves by moving too quickly. According to the Halo: Reach manual, Kat B-320 was largely responsible for this Armor Ability.

Gameplay balance maybe?

It makes sense from a gameplay perspective, but not from the story? idk what you would call it, canon maybe? lore? He should be able to run for a very long time.


Oh yes, and

once again:

actually sprint isn't possible with the Spartan's heavy armor unless overclocked.

the armor ways a literal half ton

Agree, in campaign it would make more sense if the sprint were unlimited.

actually sprint isn't possible with the Spartan's heavy armor unless overclocked.

the armor ways a literal half ton

in the books they always ran, I think Kelly could run almost 60 kph or something like that.

Yes they could, the armor enhances everything about them, including their speed

As said in the instruction manual, this ability is a hack affecting the motion restrictors in the armour that prevent a Spartan from injuring themselves by moving too quickly. According to the Halo: Reach manual, Kat B-320 was largely responsible for this Armor Ability.

The Mark I Prototype Exoskeleton improved the strength and stamina of the wearer and allowed a user to lift two tons (4,000 pounds) and run at 32 km/h (19.88 MPH) for extended periods of time.

http://halo.wikia. com/wiki/MJOLNIRPoweredAssault_Armor

Granted, 32 km/h is not 60, but still, that is sprinting, and for extended periods at a time

Obviously the cannon is flawed.

Obviously. The original story is flawed. :|

Cannon

you are

the implication is that the armor has already received the mod

actually sprint isn't possible with the Spartan's heavy armor unless overclocked

armor lock is pretty cool when someone tries to splatter you with a ghost

Thats why they changed sprint to a seperate extra in halo 4 now you shall be able to have armour abilities +support abilities, which are things like sprint, extra turret damage, increased shield regen, and others.

Remeber, Spartans are also incredibly strong.

Never mentions anything about the suits legs

Maybe it's some kind of hidden boosters or something that help the feet move?

It's powered armor, isn't it? Servos, gears, motors, and such to help make the suit move.

But alot of it is traded for protection. And remeber, they may be in the future but not every single marine or military personal has one.

It would't surprise me if most of them are prototypes

Being a halo fan, I fuckin obsessed about it. And this is what I remember, they were just normal humans who were everyday normal marines, till a special selection was made, of the best soldiers. They would undergo special training, in tactics and just pretty much beef em up. The suit, on the other hand, I believe was mentioned, does use a sort of muscle enhancing thing. So it uses the muscle power from the human and double it (or some shit like that.) PLUS, I've read that these spartans were pumped full of drugs to make them even stronger and faster.
>inb4 small balls
But also, in the main halo game, 117 is one of the only ones left, so they're not invincible, he's probably still alive because Cortana. helped him with decision making, etc.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc3q_CiAlhc

This explains alot of it in under a few minates

There we go, that explains the drug thingy. What i forgot to mention, as seen in the comment section of that vid, is that they're kidnapped. (in the original halo 1 wiki it said something about marines being selected)

I don't know about kidnapping but I also remeber something about they were picked when they were children and trained all their lives

They were spied on first, then picked out, kidnapped, replaced by a flash clone, and taken to training.

This is explained in one Halo book, I don't remember which, however.

You're quite a bit off there. So I'll inform you of how it really was. I've read all the books and played every game and here's how it goes.

All spartans were chosen when they were still children. None older than 15. They were abducted from their homes and replaced with clones that had a genetic defect implanted so they'd die off in a few years. They were then all transported to the planet Reach and begun a very rigorous training regime in an ONI base. About a week later they were split into teams of three that would always preform every training and simulation together. Team that came in last went without dinner and got to try again the next day. There was no down time, only training and sleep. At about the age of 18, they were bio mechanically enhanced. Metals grafted onto their bones to make them next to unbreakable, hormones and chemicals implanted into their brains to increase thought processing and reaction timings. The ones who didn't die but were still crippled were put into the think tank of the military and all others were moved to an underground mine shaft to continue training where it would be safe. They were so strong and fast and deadly that they could only train against construction mechs and battle mechs, but even those stood no chance. About 2 years later, the MJOLNIR battle armor was created. A regular human could never pilot it. All tests ended in death as the suits moved so fast that it broke a normal man's bones and sent him into convulsions that cause the suit to tear the man apart. But the Spartan's were perfect for it. It let them jump to incredible heights. Run as fast as a car. Punch through reinforced concrete. The suits also linked to their weapons to give them a sight no matter where they held the weapon. Ultimate soldier. After their encounters with the covenant the Shield systems were incorporated and the rest you probably know.

Beautiful. I only played 1-3(odst doesnt really count) and read a lot of wiki's, and that is all correct.

I love me my Halo. And haven't been able to play in months ///_T So sad. ODST was one of my favorites, even though you were just a regular Marine. And you haven't played Reach yet? Best one by far.

I couldnt play reach, I sold my x360 to save up for a master race custom PC. Oh well. good times stay good, old is gold.

True sir, true.

That applied to the Spartan II's and partially III's

They had to be young for the augmentations to work.

they don't have balls, every spartan gets there genitalia removed. so they wont have hormones and will get the job done

dezcry.. did you seduce a spartan and try have sex with him again?

no and both male and female spartans

The suit helps with movement, but you needed additional power for sprinting. (Remember, he's always jogging, and several cutscenes have him sprinting.)

the mark VI armor, that came in Halo 2 made it possible to jump higher, why, I haven't found an explanation for.