The War on Drugs is a joke

Do you want to have a debate about this? I'd love to, I'm pro gun, btw, just so you know.

Wow, I ask for a polite debate and i get thumbed down.




.......well, this is the internet, I guess I should have seen this coming.

But i'm on the same side you are

Aw rats! Too many people agree with me on the internet!

We could have a Presidential esque debate

Please Mr John, you are so much more right than me.

Oh no! I completely disagree! You are so much more right than me

No, Sir Glasgo! It is most certainly you who is more in the right. Of our two parties, you are the more correct!

well of course john shepherd is pro guns

I wonder how long you were waiting for that image to become relevant to something.....either way, it's fairly entertaining.

How does it feel that you're favorite football team went bankrupt.

I'l have a debate with you, it may be more appropriate to have one with someone who's first language is english.

13% of your population isn't black.

I live in Germany too, but moving to Malaysia in December. Let's just say guns are still illegal, but the crime rate is so high and corruption is a major problem to the point where it doesn't matter. Everyone just lives in constant fear.

I'm not sure about the Germany statistics, but UK always brags about their lack of guns, and their violent crime rate is 4x the United States'.
Picture is unrelated.

Thank you!
I'm so tired of this 'if guns are illegal people can still get them' bullshit.
Ofcourse they can, but it'll be much much harder. I really think that the columbine massacre wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal.
Honestly, I'm happy not to live in america.

Anon answers the first two things

> Germany is the 4th greatest economic power, greatest economic power in all of Europe. They haven't been to war since WWII, and they have a very stable and good country now. In fact, my cousin, my wife, and I are all moving to Germany because it's better than the U.S. (no offence to the US). After WWI everyone was poor, it was terrible, they needed someone to blame, so when Hitler offered a solution, and used his amazing powers of speech, they really had two choices: Suffering and poverty for the rest of their lives, or go along with it. You forgot the fact that without WWII, no nuclear weapons would have been invented, and therefore the world would still be at war, rather than nuclear stalemate, and countless wars would have raged by now, you forgot that without the Holocaust, Israel would have never been created. You do realize that without the Holocaust, numerous technological advancements would have never been made, and the United States would have never become a world power, and therefore, the world would not be near as good as it is (admit it, as much as we all hate the US, it contributed endlessly to modern society forming the way it has). And yes, Germany has had extremely brilliant leaders. They're brilliant innovators and leaders and people, the problem mainly lying within the fact that they keep to themselves and don't dick themselves in other peoples business. And the couple times they do something wrong, everybody decides to point "OH LOOK THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG!" Don't be such an ignorant dumbass, and don't make fun of one of this world's best countries.

So your saying


The Holocaust made the world a better place

As much as all of us hate to admit it...
yes.

I'm ready to embrace red thumbs for this viewpoint, but think about it. Without WWII, the world would have maintained it's economic depression, if not fallen even deeper in it, for quite some time. This would have halted all progress on all fronts, as the world would struggle to recover. Because the wars never existed, then America would have never gained any power, and would have remained isolated and in their own depressions. This would remove the world's new central hub. Because Japan was never attacked by the U.S. the modernization of their country would have never occurred (as well as numerous others). Now imagine a world without Japan, already pretty shitty, am I right? But without the unifying central hub, the world wouldn't have come together in unity near as quickly, as European nations struggled and fought for the right to be so. Already locked into major stressors, war would have broken out eventually, this time the Holocaust would not have existed to make a two sided war, it would be full out European-War, and would most likely end in just as great, if not greater death tolls and losses than WWII. After such a war, almost the same timeline would play out, Europe requires resources, imports from America, America gets rich, America becomes hub, bibbidy bobbidy boo - modern society, but 50 years later.

Oh yeah, because if WWII never happened, then the world would have ceased to modernize and we would still be masturbating to rocks

World-wide economic depression does that kind of thing.

Then how come today, even in the worst economic crash since the great depression, and this is happening not just in the US, we are still inventing and moving on?


It was the same after WWI, even the most simple inventions were made, such as toasters, traffic lights, the rocket, lie detector, ect..

The Great Depression didn't stop anybody from making things, so if the Holocaust would have never happened, then we would have still moved on...


But seriously, who the fuck considerers the Holocaust a good thing?
Sure this is the internet, and people say stupid shit like this all the time, but your actually defending this.

Now go say this to somebody in real life if you truly believe in this.

And join the Nazi Party of America while your at it

1) Because this is modern society, where we borrow 5 trillion dollars to throw at people saying "SPEND IT HOW YOU WILL JUST DO OUR JOB AND MAKE THINGS BETTER" We spend money we don't have and act like it's normal. Back then, when everyone was in poverty, who the living God was going to just hand out money or anything?
2) Yes it did. Name some great inventions that came out of America during the Great Depression. I can think of a few things: laundromats (hand washed - makes sense, new business = money), tampons (it's freaking cotton shoved in the vag, nothing groundbreaking), and sliced bread (I think). I'm sorry, but I don't hear the sound of post WWII progress going on there. And I don't mean right after WWI, I meant once the global depression began sinking in. You know, one of the causes of WWII.
3) The Holocaust is bad - WWII is good. However, Holocaust was a part of WWII, and by extension is good.
4) I'm not defending the Holocaust directly. I'm not defending Nazi'ism. I'm defending the fact that those two DID cause accelerated steps toward modern society and a prevention of a major global collapse. We can't change the fact that the Holocaust happened, and it was bad, but is it truly wrong to look at the positive sides of things for once?
5) I have told people in real life, but they understand I'm not supporting the Holocaust, but addressing the positive factors that were on the other side of the coin. Everything has another side, don't be so one-dimensional.

You're an idiot.

I like beerniggers

To be honest, I think all of you misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I'm going to put this in another way.
What I mean is if people already own a gun, a greater amount of people would go out and mug people, compared to people who doesn't have a gun.

"guns are a means of protecting the people from the government" That argument is invalid.The guns that citizens are allowed to own can't protect you from the war machines that the government has at its disposal. If they really wanted you dead, there would be absolutely nothing you could do about it, regardless of whatever rifle you may have at your trailer.

> 200 million Americans own guns. Only about 2.8 million in arms service.
> The vast majority of military is pro gun and pro constitution
> What do you think happens when a million civilians try to storm the pentagon or military bases?
> People have more power than the government. To think otherwise is lunacy

they are still more effective than torches and throwing rocks..

**alanthewhite rolls 469,893,816**
>Guns
>Protecting people from government
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that my gun is used for shooting rapists and murderers in the face.

It's good for both.

But, I've already taken such a class! See?

shooting sprees makes them criminals

Are you retarded?

I was genuenly worried

god damn squiggly red line didnt show

Let the butt hurt floooooow, I knew that post would cause some

nearly 400 comments... well done.

Fuck off fascist. You think the govt has to protect you?

They should protect us, yes. How is that fascism? Lol. Next you'll be calling me a libtard.

Because you think only the govt should have the power to kill and us citizens must sit here defenseless.

Would instantly improve crime statistics...

The same idea still applies, the people who no not to rape and murder wont do it even if its legal. Although it does differ in other points.

the point in laws is to reduce crime, not eliminating it because it is impossible, if we ban weapons, would criminals still own guns?,yes, would less criminals own guns?,yes

I agree with you, I was just pointing it out

considering transferable full automatic machine guns are well over 15,000$, plus all the paperwork, it's not easy at all.

I know the procedure on how to get an NFA weapon in the US.
A swede still has to get through WAY more bullshit and paperwork to get a .22 target pistol. And then if you don't do it all over again 2 years later the cops knock on your door and take your guns away.

glad i live here.
i can buy a semi auto ak-47 with no paperwork.

Well, no harm in allowing responsible people the right to defend themselves. Besides, they're the only people who'll obey gun laws anyway.

you act like, if people don't wanna obey the law, they simply don't have to at all and can easily break it with no fear of punishment. there's a little something called law enforcement

Shooting sprees are illegal whether or not people may own guns. Whether or not guns are legal is irrelevant, seeing as how the law's being broken anyway.

pic related. It's why most major shootings take place where the populace is unarmed.

that is a good point, but as for the comic I don't think these guys would be any less likely to shoot stuff if other people had guns. think about it, many people kill themselves too along with their victims. Or they go to jail for life. either way, it's safe to say they don't care about punishment

Yea and that totally stopped the colorado theater shooter from ordering a half dozen guns through the mail and rigging his apartment to explode on the first cop to walk into it. He didn't want to obey the law, so he didn't, for months. Think of the dozens and maybe hundreds of famous criminals that had no fear for the law. They have endless quotes of criminals making jokes just before a death sentence.

if the gun laws were stricter, maybe it actually would have

No, he spent months planning it. He would have just acquired them in some other manner. They already had knowledge that he was receiving copious amounts of guns in the mail and did nothing. It isn't the law or the guns that are the problem it is negligence and laziness.

Decent point, but outlawing guns would just create another black market.

If it's necessary to ensure the lawful citizens receive the very best means of self-defense, then yes.

Everything else is a disservice to public safety.

i am giving you a thumb for the sake of that gif

a lot of gun supporters are worried about what theyve seen happen in other countries. australia and great britain slowly incrased regulation then went for full blown gun ban. i support things like bans on violent offenders but saying you cant have a gun to stop the violent criminal who already cant buy one is stupid.

I agree with both........because there both something that has to be done responsibly and maturely

you are retarded, saying guns kill people is like saying playboy causes chaffed dicks. its like blaming the cheese burger for your being overweight. Guns don't kill, idiots with guns kill. If you make them harder to own then it just means the criminals will be the ones with them and the average joe like you or me is more susceptible to being victims of violent crimes since you want to take away our right to defend ourselves.

Oh and your logic is wrong, that isn't how it works. There is a supplier who usually acquires guns legally or from a back door shop. If you crack down on that by enforcing gun laws. You can essentially help remove guns from the street.

My logic (Based off of several documentaries and Chris Rock)> Your logic.

COnsider this. WHen I say guns kill people: It is implied that their owners do the shooting. An owner can't throw a bullet at someone and have it kill them. THey must fire the weapon. My logic still stands even though you're to ignorant to use common sense to see around what I said.



I am an concealed carrier btw.

Guns are inanimate objects. They do not kill. They do nothing on their own at all.

"since it would be harder for a black market dealer to acquire them."

You clearly have no idea how a market works.
Price is established by supply and demand, and there are quite a lot more firearms than people in this world.
And while nobody knows the exact figures, ~14 billion rounds of ammunition are newly manufactured annually. That makes approx. 40 million rounds every single day.

While the demand for weapons is high, the supply is over the top-abundant, so the prices will be low to moderate at worst.
Now how can you raise those prices? Taxes and trade limits.
What do taxes and trade limits have in common? Black market dealers laugh about them because they fully intend on violating them and they make their competition, the legal salesmen, utterly unable to compete.

tl;dr: Guns and ammo are cheap because there are metric fucktons of them.
Those willing to break laws for a profit can always acquire and/or sell them very cheaply. Raising prices on legal gun sales only makes the black market even more profitable, while banning guns makes the black market the only option alltogether.

That isn't how the market of back door shops work. Most guns sold to criminals are either from a supplier who acquires them legally and uses loopholes to get rid of the weapon. OR a back door shop.


Price would still be what you set it as. If you made guns a little harder to acquire it would still be harder for criminals to acquire.

I'm a proud concealed carrier.

Well by definition though a black market dealer wouldn't be affected in acquisition or selling thereof his wares by legalities surrounding them, which simply means laws don't affect black market trade.

It works because the criminals ride kangaroo's throwing giant spiders at people. They don't need guns.

yeah most crims use melee weapons

I don't know about you, but i'd rather have a mini-gun or a flamerthrower under my pillow to fight an intruder rather than two gay dudes.

Yes because any average joe can afford to own and fire a mini gun for more than a few seconds

I'm not concerned it's going to be a problem, It's just the concept that we allow people to own a death machine and a weapon that was actually banned from warfare for being cruel, but yet our government steps in to say that gays can't marry.

You do understand there are states that allow same sex marriage or unions granting rights similar marriage, the amount of money and paper work needed to own a mini gun or a flame thrower keeps it out of the hands of most americans so it doesn't really make a good comparison better one would be people allowing to marry more than once or marrying their cousins

I think in Massachusetts it's the other way around
everyone is welcome here especially since our population is going down, and we will have to lose a house member, thus losing some influence in Washington

If your population is declining, make it a state law to cum inside. That should fix it.

lol

America, where you can marry your cousin, just not your gay cousin

Guns are a serious matter of life and death. gay marriage is a fantasy desire for the pride and self-respect of turd burglars and feminists.

hehe, turd burglars...