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User avatar #806 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
You know what's funny? If the bombs hadn't been dropped, then the axis might have won.
The Japanese would have continued to fight us, thus making it so we had less troops to help fight the nazis, the allies attacking Nazis wouldn't have had as many supplies, and thus might not have been able to win. The allies wouldn't have had as many troops, so they would be more spread out, and the germans could have killed them.
If the Nazis won, then america would have fallen due to the nazis getting more resources, and then have had more bombs and weapons to slaughter them.

Not saying that's a fact, or that it's even the most likely situation, just commenting on the interest of the Butterfly Effect.
#840 to #806 - norwegianlolz (09/12/2012) [-]
>Germany (and all European Axis nation's) did fall before Americans droped the bombs

And America did hold a Island wery close to Japan mainland (where Americans drop thousands of bombs form and killing thousands of (non-military) people, just like they did in Europe)
User avatar #933 to #840 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
To everything you've just repeated, see my other comments in this thread. I have no wish to repeat myself.
To your other statement, one island is nothing, overall. If they had the chance, they would have destroyed it just to kill us.

Also, I've been rather polite this whole time, so please keep your simpleminded insults to the playground.
User avatar #1110 to #933 - norwegianlolz (09/12/2012) [-]
from that one island, America did have airbase
and from that one Airbase they did bomb many of the mayor city's in japan, making it impossible to continue the war (effectively)

And at that period of time japan's fleet was only a shadow of it former self, and the air force was destroyed,
And to top it all out, the army had little/barely any supplies

and just how could they destroy an entire island?
User avatar #841 to #840 - norwegianlolz (09/12/2012) [-]
The atom bombs*
#825 to #806 - intrepidy ONLINE (09/12/2012) [-]
Well except that when they dropped the bombs, Nazi germany had already been defeated.
User avatar #831 to #825 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
It's possible that we were able to divert more troops to fighting Germany, thus helping defeat them, because we had plans to use the atomic bomb.

If we had never even had those plans, it may have all turned out like I said. But once again, this is just one of the many possible scenarios.



If you had read the other comments of mine on this thread, you would have seen that I was able to take that into account.
I'm not saying my idea is likely, I'm just saying it's just another thread of possibility.
#839 to #831 - intrepidy ONLINE (09/12/2012) [-]
Please refer to other response i just did, needless to say no. It did not affect war plans. Look up operation downfall which was the invasion of Japan.
#817 to #806 - thumblocked (09/12/2012) [-]
The actual situation is that America would have been forced to invade japan with a Normandy style invasion. With the Japanese policy of fighting to the death for your emperor, both civilians and the remaining Japanese military would have been killed along with many Americans. America was almost definitely going to win the war, but it was just a matter of how many lives would be lost on both sides. (Is this exactly what Truman and his staff was thinking? Maybe not, but this was likely one of the factors).
User avatar #821 to #817 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Hmm. Good point.
#812 to #806 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
next time read a history book before commenting :)
next time read a history book before commenting :)
#822 to #812 - jerrysandusky (09/12/2012) [-]
you got thumbed down? wtf..... that ********** wrong and you're right. the nazis were practically done when we focused on japan. By wiping out two cities america saved millions of japanese lives
User avatar #945 to #822 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Oh, nice language you got there.

Yes, I was wrong. So be it. But please, be like everyone else here and remain civil and clean mouthed.

I've already said my opinions on said matters, and have already concluded that I was wrong and did not actually research this before I talked about it.
#1505 to #945 - jerrysandusky (09/12/2012) [-]
<--- how much i care about my grammar on funny junk at 1:00 AM
User avatar #1534 to #1505 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Wasn't talking about your grammar. I was talking on your use of crude language on an otherwise clean thread.
#1569 to #1534 - jerrysandusky (09/13/2012) [-]
Nope, not falling for it
User avatar #842 to #822 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
yes but this is funnyjunk my friend, don't question the logic of it lol..at least this debate I am having is with what seems to be a civil person...which is a rarity on here...
#846 to #842 - jerrysandusky (09/12/2012) [-]
**jerrysandusky rolls 1,562** i'll take your bad luck as a sign and just beat off then go to sleep

....unless quads
User avatar #852 to #846 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
**brutusantony rolls 1,033** here take mine
#866 to #862 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
not sure what that is for...but here, take this lol
not sure what that is for...but here, take this lol
User avatar #813 to #812 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Elaborate.
#818 to #813 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
Japan was the last to surrender...the rest of the axis had already fallen...I agree that the bombs needed to be used, but not because we might have lost if we didn't use them...odds are we would have still one, we would have just been forced to invade Japan, which would have ended badly for both sides...every Japanese citizen would have taken up arms against the invaders and for that reason the death tole could easily have been in the millions for both sides...I digressed there but yeah, Germany and Italy were already out of the picture by the time we dropped the bombs
User avatar #828 to #818 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
It's possible that we were able to divert more troops to fighting Germany, thus helping defeat them, because we had plans to use the atomic bomb.

If we had never even had those plans, it may have all turned out like I said. But once again, this is just one of the many possible scenarios.



Also, to refine this reused comment to better fit your point, I would like to compare the Japanese to a cornered animal. If they had all taken up arms, and were fighting full of fear and anger, they may have been able to defeat the troops over there. Granted, the rest of the world would have also been able to aid in that, so your idea is more likely.

Still, wouldn't be the first time a weaker country had won.
User avatar #838 to #828 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
to your first statement: we were already sending most of our troops to fight in Europe because the leaders of the allies all agreed that Germany was by far the bigger threat to the world as a whole. That would be the reason most of our troops went to Europe and not the Pacific...they weren't planning on using the bomb for sure because they didn't even know if it would be done yet or if it would even work when they dropped it...

And you are right in the fact it wouldn't be the first time a weaker country had won...but they odds were so stacked against them it was inevitable that they would be defeated...the only thing they had going for them was that they would take a hell of a lot of us down with them
User avatar #940 to #838 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
So in conclusion, I was wrong. I certainly can say that that is not the first time I've been wrong.
User avatar #820 to #818 - brutusantony (09/12/2012) [-]
"still would have one"...damn I am retarded sometimes lol
User avatar #832 to #820 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Eh, a spelling mistake is just a minor mistake.
#809 to #806 - makeitasyougo (09/12/2012) [-]
erm, germany had surrendered before we dropped the bombs... just sayin
User avatar #816 to #809 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
It's possible that we were able to divert more troops to fighting Germany, thus helping defeat them, because we had plans to use the atomic bomb.

If we had never even had those plans, it may have all turned out like I said. But once again, this is just one of the many possible scenarios.
#835 to #816 - intrepidy ONLINE (09/12/2012) [-]
No that's not possible. The bombs creation and planning was a top secret even to the top generals in the pacific, which is a plan for the invasion of Japan was drawn up. Heck so few people knew about it, the Indianapolis sunk from a submarine after delivering it and nobody came to rescue the survivors for days. It's one of the key character development points of the shark hunter in jaws.
User avatar #937 to #835 - ilovehitler (09/12/2012) [-]
Huh, I thought the people who did know about it would have had some control over the military.


But as I've said, I am by no means an expert on this. Always good to learn more, so thanks for your informational comment.
#991 to #937 - intrepidy ONLINE (09/12/2012) [-]
Well aside from the scientists and engineers responsible for its creation, a few individuals knew about it. None really at the strategic level for individual theaters until the invasion was nearly finished being drawn up. Its like now, the president doesn't interfere with strategy in Afghanistan.

Actual for some such as George marshall who was general of the army, the surrender was fairly unexpected. He didn't expect the nukes to lead to their surrender and favored their use tactically to compliment the invasion.

And your welcome. learning is fun. :D
#808 to #806 - drlugnut (09/12/2012) [-]
MFW my tumblr name is lovehitler
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