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#406 - loulougia (09/07/2012) [-]
Let's be simpler...   
In Europe, we don't grow with guns, and they are less gun kills.   
Simple correlation:   
If people can get guns easier, criminals can too.   
   
Furthermore, if someone REALLY wanted someone dead, he would now how to, and the revolver  you barely know how to use won't be useful...
Let's be simpler...
In Europe, we don't grow with guns, and they are less gun kills.
Simple correlation:
If people can get guns easier, criminals can too.

Furthermore, if someone REALLY wanted someone dead, he would now how to, and the revolver you barely know how to use won't be useful...
User avatar #454 to #406 - badsamaritan (09/07/2012) [-]
Europe has the highest ****** rate by a sharp object. Any how in the US the States with the most ******* by guns are the states with very strict gun control laws
User avatar #713 to #454 - ericzxvc (09/08/2012) [-]
The laws were made stricter because of the ******* , the ******* aren't plentiful because of the laws, were you kidding or are you really that stupid?
User avatar #426 to #406 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
Most people that buy guns actually know how to use them, or have been shooting once or twice.

Enjoy getting stabbed and raped over there in Europe, while I shoot anyone who tries.
#414 to #406 - dedaluminus (09/07/2012) [-]
If someone tries to hurt me or my family, the (not revolver) pistol that I am a crack shot with, and know inside and out, will put them 6 feet under with minimal effort. During the day, it's in my pocket or in the holster in my car, and at night it's on my nightstand. So yes, my gun is an effective self defense tool.
User avatar #431 to #414 - mrsInuyasha (09/07/2012) [-]
you are talking about self defense. Guns are not for self defense. There are made for the sole purpose of killing. There are many ways to defend yourself and your loved ones.
User avatar #444 to #431 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
Any weapon can be used for self defense. Just because I shoot someone, doesn't mean they are going to die.

If they are trying to harm other people for personal gain, no matter the reason, they pretty much deserve what is coming to them anyways.
User avatar #452 to #444 - mrsInuyasha (09/07/2012) [-]
I respectfully disagree.
User avatar #461 to #452 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
Well, your logic is flawed then. Sorry.
User avatar #471 to #461 - mrsInuyasha (09/07/2012) [-]
I dont think so. Its true that any weapon can be used in self defense. But a gun is made for only one purpose, to kill. To make it easy to kill. Thats it, nothing else.
User avatar #505 to #471 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
It depends on where you aim. It's the people doing the killing, not the weapon. Everything is simply a tool.

Besides, sometimes you have to kill somebody to defend yourself.
User avatar #517 to #505 - mrsInuyasha (09/07/2012) [-]
You can kill with your bare hands but you use them for many things. You can beat someone with a bat but it is made for a sport. You can burn someone in a fire but fire has many uses as well as the devices used to start a fire. You can beat someone with a wrench but it is built for fixing many things. Or you can shoot someone with a gun which is made for.......nope, just made to make it easier to kill someone. A gun is not a tool.
User avatar #536 to #517 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
Point taken. But it's still a tool.

Tool. Noun: A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

"One held in hand" You are still the killer. The gun is just a means of doing it easier, yes. But hell, some guns are sturdy enough to be used as a hammer. And, without guns, people living in wild regions of the earth, would have a much harder time feeding themselves and their family.
User avatar #669 to #536 - mrsInuyasha (09/08/2012) [-]
Of course you are still the killer. Someone who wants to kill someone else will do it no matter by what means, guns just make it easy. Guns are also useful and have there place and purpose. I dont think guns shouldnt exist but I do think it shouldnt be so very easy to legally get your hands on one. The accessabiity ties directly to gun related crime. I feel like if it was a little harder to get a gun maybe we would see a difference in gun wounds and deaths.
User avatar #688 to #669 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/08/2012) [-]
As I saw somewhere else in the comments section, there is a huge black market for guns. Making it harder for citizens to get guns wouldn't change anything. We would only see the increase in deaths of innocence. Since an average Joe couldn't pick up a gun and use it if he needed to as easily.
User avatar #712 to #688 - mrsInuyasha (09/08/2012) [-]
True. Punishments would also be harsher to those who had guns illegally. Not to mention all the accidental deaths that happen every year because idiots are handed a gun when they ask for it. Leaving it out for children or doing something stupid with it themselves.
User avatar #727 to #712 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/08/2012) [-]
Even though an accidental death is sad, I really don't feel to badly for the adults that accidentally **** up with there gun. I just can't. The gun fires in one direction, it's entirely their fault of they shoot someone, or themselves with it.

And it's just really bad parenting if a kid gets a hold of it somehow. They shouldn't have had kids or a gun. But it's still there fault.

I kind of have this complete resentment of alcohol. I loathe it, no matter what the form. *Except for cleaning alcohol, of course* And I don't think anyone should have it. Even if they are responsible with it, because then, that creates more profit for the producers, and then they make more for irresponsible people.

Well, the same can easily be said about guns. So I've been learning to repress those feelings.

So honestly, you kind of either have to be a purest, or be human and realize that, people are stupid. And we aren't going to have a perfect world. So, I'd rather grab a gun and protect myself.
User avatar #736 to #727 - mrsInuyasha (09/08/2012) [-]
Your point is valid. Not that I feel so strongly about guns as you do alcohol but still valid. This is all speculation on my part. I dont know for a fact that making it harder to get a gun would make gun related crime go down. No one would know unless it was actually tried, same with other proposals. But if it could save some lives it would be worth it. Maybe having a gun makes you feel safer just not for me. I couldnt see myself carrying a gun with me where ever I go, even though I have a mossy and more at home.
User avatar #430 to #414 - basicargentinian ONLINE (09/07/2012) [-]
consider the following.

Your son gets bullied at school. ALL. THE. TIME. he get's fed up, he gets your gun. School shooting.

consider the following.

A criminal breaks into your car while you're not there, he steals your gun. Now you have a criminal with a gun registered to your name.

consider the following.

A junky aims a gun to your wife, you pull out, he's a junky, he pulls the trigger, now your wife is dead and you might go to jail for empting the entire mag in the junkies face.
User avatar #468 to #430 - lickilicky (09/07/2012) [-]
1.) Lock it up.
2.) Not your fault you got robbed.
3.) Self defense.
User avatar #456 to #430 - TheRetardedEskimo (09/07/2012) [-]
>Scenario one. School shootings rarely happen. Most adults keep there guns up and locked away. Plus the reliability of a weapon such as a gun, in a hostile situation, is worth the low risk of my son going ape **** and shooting up his school.

>Scenario two: That's just ****** luck. Just because someone breaks into my car and steals a gun in my name, doesn't mean I am going to jail. Who would keep the gun in there car, anyways. Thats also highly improbable.

Scenario 3: You have the right to defend yourself, if someone shoots at you or your loved one, you are allowed to defend yourself and kill the man.
User avatar #450 to #430 - badsamaritan (09/07/2012) [-]
Consider the following the gun is with him the whole time. Driving, sleeping, all the time
#448 to #430 - dedaluminus (09/07/2012) [-]
I will raise my children to stand up for themselves in a physical manner, like I did. Bullying me led to quite a few bloody noses and one broken bone for the people who tried it.   
   
I don't leave my gun in the car when I'm not driving it. I carry it with me at all times, except when entering government buildings. But if it did get stolen, I would report it right away. I know the serial number, and I have a backup piece in case it does get stolen or broken.   
   
The day I can't outdraw a junkie is the day I give up professional shooting, but say a junkie does kill my wife; in the state I live in, defense of married partner or child counts exactly the same as self defense. If the junkie was in my house at the time, there's no deliberation; castle law.  Or make my day law, depending on what it's called in your area; but where I live, if someone breaks into your house you can kill them no questions asked.    
   
Considered.
I will raise my children to stand up for themselves in a physical manner, like I did. Bullying me led to quite a few bloody noses and one broken bone for the people who tried it.

I don't leave my gun in the car when I'm not driving it. I carry it with me at all times, except when entering government buildings. But if it did get stolen, I would report it right away. I know the serial number, and I have a backup piece in case it does get stolen or broken.

The day I can't outdraw a junkie is the day I give up professional shooting, but say a junkie does kill my wife; in the state I live in, defense of married partner or child counts exactly the same as self defense. If the junkie was in my house at the time, there's no deliberation; castle law. Or make my day law, depending on what it's called in your area; but where I live, if someone breaks into your house you can kill them no questions asked.

Considered.
User avatar #830 to #448 - basicargentinian ONLINE (09/08/2012) [-]
Yeah, the thing is in argentina self defence law is not that heavy, if someone enters your house you can't kill them without getting jail time unless you have absolute proof of your life being in danger.

(if someone breaks in and starts grabbing stuff you can rough him up a little and give him to the police, but you can't even threaten them with a gun)
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