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have you ever water boarded before? it feels like your fucking drowning

Have you ever started drowning? it feels like you're fucking drowning.

i have actually, twice

Well what do you do for a living?

i go to college,part time cook at a resturant

I thought you were in the military or something. There's no reason for shit like that to happen to a burger-flipper.

well heres how the second occurance happened the second time it happened i was having a lake party with ma friends on a boat,and we were doing jumps off the back of his boat.what happened was as i was jumping my leg got caught on the rope for the anchor,and i brought down the anchor with me...the rope got caught around my leg and i was underwater struggling to get the rope off my leg for like a minute.when i finally got it off i swam up to the surface of the lake for another 30 seconds...i almost died

And how did you get waterboarded?

for shits and giggles at a party,you know just to see if it felt the same

Also to include that the people they water-board are not innocent. They usually hold valuable information that could save anywhere from one to thousands of lives.

Well, not always. That's the controversy over Gitmo is that the people inside have never been in court and under our law system they are technically guilty until proven. I'm fine with non-lethal torture, but as long it's on the right guys.

...this is America, gentlemen:
people begging for a police state while they brag about their freedom

Torturing an innocent man does.

Try not to reason with these people.

I take it your act in life is 'conservative' because you've been raised in a place that's liberal and this is your attempt at being different. either that, or these 'values' of yours have been passed on to you by your family. either way, it is clear you have put zero thought in what you have to say. I'm not interested in your transparent act; you don't have a solid opinion.

'torturing Bin Laden's buddies'
that sentence alone is exemplary enough of your ignorance; I took it from there.
I'm not interested in debating any further.

I initially agreed with you but then you had to be a dick. You guys both suck.

Let me reassure you that this is not the reasoning of a conservative person, rather the ramblings of a spineless pawn.

You would have your government torture an innocent man. (for any reason) You sicken me. No innocent man, regardless of reason, should be tortured just to make you sleep better at night. You are what is wrong with the country and the world today. Torture isn't a plaything to be used on a person just because you want some quick answers. Torture is a messy information gathering technique so far below us that there is absolutely no reason to physically torture anyone in American custody. A tortured man will tell you anything to make the pain stop. He might even believe it. If you want the truth and you are willing to torture to get it, then why not give them a shot of something as archaic as sodium pentothal then ask them what you want to know? A person doped up enough with any one of a range of drugs will tell you exactly what you want to know truthfully. But no, you would rather a man who never hurt a fly to be harmed just so that you can feel go about your daily affairs without worry.

Welcome all, to what we have become. A country of spineless, homophobic, mindless drones who will do anything to keep from having to worry about the future. Has there ever been an easier population to control?

Maybe you have some information we need. Lets torture you to find out.


I don't you have thought anything through, ever. Rethink everything, you are terribly misinformed and stupid.

Martha, I'm gonna need some ketchu- GURGLEBLURGLE

That's the point

it can leave people with:
-sleep deprivation
-nightmares
-flashbacks
-damaged muscles/bones from struggling
-the feeling of being suffocated even when safe

long term psychological effects are just as bad as getting bruises from being punched

Let's weigh this one out.
1 sleep-deprived, PTSD'd man with obvious or alleged terrorist links
or
Almost 3,000 dead civilians?

the thing about human rights is that it applies to even the criminals

your comment is demonstrating exactly what the content is pointing out

If done incorrectly, rocking a baby to sleep can result in it sleeping forever.

this rustled my jimmies

brilliant

Commander, I want you to know that I'll be right there by your side through the end of this. Oh, and if you don't fuck Tali, I will.

That's the best thing I've read here.

human rights laws do not apply to terrorists? What the fuck, man.

And most of them have been convicted without trial and without public release of evidence by a shady government agency.

And so making someone feel like they're drowning is not harm?

Right well while you take the time to investigate all the terrorists, I think it'd be best we keep them in jail or maybe try and get them to give up information in the meantime.

but with a botched investigation you're not even sure the one you're torturing and that might end up hospitalized, since waterboarding isn't the only tool they got, might not even have anything to divulge. Are you TRYING to sound like a mob of torches and pitchforks?

good you were actually paying attention to what i was saying (that was not my actual opinion). and no, there can be no physical harm done without actual harm coming to them. just feeling like you're going to die doesn't count.

nice way to retract your opinion and thumb down, but if psychological oppression is lawful, for you?

you think an international judge might go 'lol, doesn't count'? It's psychological violence, like the USSR sleep deprivation torture.

first off, i didn't thumb you down. and again, sleep deprivation torture causes PHYSICAL harm, just look up the effects of not sleeping if you don't believe me. water boarding does not.

traumatic experiences can cause as much damage to the brain as any anatomical shock. Why the hell are you insisting this isn't illegal, what's your perspective that psychological torture and illegal detainment are perfectly fine in the eyes of the law if not in yours, dude?
Why do you think these activities have been held so long outside of U.S soil?

torture is a necessary evil. what would you suggest? asking them nicely what they've done to the decapitated and defiled bodies of the Americans they tortured and killed? holding in a cell for the rest of their days in hopes they'll finally talk?

so nazis deserve a trial and a due process of law, as advocated by truman, but suddenly when it's now all these values go out the window?

Besides, the thing is that your opinion doesn't matter, what you think doesn't matter, what matters is what the law says, and law says you can't do anything with 'besides, they're terrorists' as an excuse, especially when i bet you can't name a tenth of the people incarcerated

are you really suggesting terrorist investigation really entirely relies on torture? Way to give credit to the most fueled governmental investigation agency in the world

nazi's? fuck no they didn't deserve all that "due process" crap. i realized my opinion doesn't hold up in the face of the law, no private citizen's views are significant at all to the government. and no, they typically don't release the names of incarcerated terrorists.

yes, because making harm come to horrible people is just not a good thing to do at all.

you will always have a spot in my heart friend

this is me giving a fuck

The slaughter of the natives was not necessary.
And human rights surely do apply to terrorists, human rights, are as they sound, rights shared by all humans no matter what, the only reason they wouldn't be entitled to human rights would be if they were found guilty of war crimes, or crimes against humanity, and by their rights, they are innocent until proven guilty.

if we DIDN'T take indian land and kill them, we would not have the united states borders as we know it today. it's an unfortunate truth, and a necessary evil . i'll do the same i did for vigilum and refer you to comment 31 for my response to the latter part of your comment.

So you are saying that the USA as it is today was worth it?

absolutely

Slavery is the base for modern human society.
Remove slavery from history, bam. No ancient Greek city-states, no ancient Greek philosophers, no great Roman Empire, etcetra.
Slavery is unnecessary now since we have machines that lets one person do a job that would take dozens of slaves to do, but pre-Industrial and early industrial era it was entirely neccessary to have a workforce capable of building things quickly.

Human Rights apply to everyone, no matter what. That's kinda the point of them. And waterboarding still causes psychological trauma.
Japan almost surrendered, but it wasn't exactly public negotiations due to potential Japanese people who would sympathize with the U.S. soldiers.

of course. i just assumed everyone was intelligent enough to deduce that. and for my response to the latter half of that comment, see comment number 31

fuck, using railgun to say that just rustles the last of my jimmies, too

In America you used to have to be tried and found guilty before being punished

Basically all the "terrorists" have not been found guilty yet. You could easily be a "suspected terrorist" but i bet if they started doing it to you, you'd have a different opinion

1: really?! are you saying that since they scalp, dismember and sacrifice each other then yep! good riddance to the millions of natives we enslaved to mine our silver, stole land from, massacred and infected with terrible diseases, yes they weren't exactly the Na'vi but it was out steel on their land .

2. Im not too sure if the artist specifically meant "America"as a whole, only the South, and yes again, the Africans were enslaving themselves and selling their own kind. But the lucrative trade opportunities of European slave peddlers is lucrative indeed. And it was those slave drivers that ferried off innocent people like cattle to be seperated from not only their families but there identity and country And mud huts? Sweeping generalization about an entire continent of people.

(this was not supposed to start some kind of lame internet fight, I was just a bit peeved with the first 2, the others, yeah pretty much agree, again, this cartoon is a bit irritatingly judgmental of the entire American history, but I dont think you should defend colonization of the Americas or slavery, even if its along the line of argument of this cartoon.)

lol i didn't actually meant what i said to be taken literally. I was just posting something to make it seem like all that bad stuff was justified or not or fault. So no jimmies rustled here friend

my jimmies will never EVER be rustled by the likes of you dear friend

then why aren't they tried before torture?

^ This. Thumbs for you incoming.

we're not the only ones using torture either


I'm anti torture, was just saying how can you use it for one and not the other?

if America didn't exist then what did he discover? And where did the indians live?

I thumbed you back to 0 because I'm pretty sure you're joking. Please don't prove me wrong.

yeah I was joking, thanks

wait, you find torture less acceptable than developing nuclear weapons?

Several million lives in fact.

For the invasion of Japan? Millions is the number that is casually thrown around, but I wrote my thesis on why Truman decided to drop the bombs on Japan; my research shows the much more realistic estimations of around 2-300,000.

That's probably US deaths.

When you factor in probable Japanese military and civilian deaths, it goes into teh millions due to the whole "no surrender" attitude.

No, those estimates were total. 80,000ish Americans and at least 120,000 Japanese for Kyushu alone. Then another 100,000 Americans for Honshu, and double that for Japanese, so my previous post was off by 200,00 but I checked my paper again and that's what I wrote. Whether it's right not, all I know is I got an A.

Okinawa was 2,271 km2, and cost 12,513 American lives.

Assuming the same deaths/km2 rate, which would likely be higher due to the larger number of civilians and cost of urban combat, Kyushu, which is about 35,640 km2 (about 15.7 times the size of Okinawa), would have cost around 196,000 American lives.

The respective Japanese numbers would be around 1.5 million. There's a reason the US Army made so many Purple Hearts in preparation for the invasion of Japan that they're still using them today.

As it turns out, that number doesn't even include civilian losses, which were anywhere from 42,000 to 150,000 on Okinawa. (The Prefecture itself say 100,000).

i´m from spain ,and i understand why the bombed Japan, i don´t aprove the use of nuclear wepons of course but it was quite necesary for stop the WW2, red thumbs to me

Also, slavery had been going on fever thousands of years. Compared to the North's urbanized economy and a (white) population (just as racist as the South) four times the size of the South's, it would have been crazy just to go "ok we won't use slaves anymore" when their economy was worth, as estimated in that time period, over $2,000,000,000, which is in 1860's dollars.

*several thousands of years

How about how it stopped a full-scale invasion of Japan which would have resulted in even more deaths and probably nearly as many civilian deaths?

Those two bombs were a necessary act of war. It stopped the Japanese from continuing to kill thousands upon thousands of Chinese; it stopped the Russians from barreling their way though the Chinese to kill thousands and thousands of Japanese; and it forced Japan to surrender so the Allies didn't have to expend a hundred thousand lives invading Kyushu, in addition to the tens of thousand Japanese defenders.

My favourite part is that they get set back big time but they are about 10 years ahead of the world in technology still.

Why Hiroshima? And remember anyone can easily be branded a terrorist even if he's only a political enemy.

Oops that was intended to #416. Sorry.

Because it works.

No Hiroshima is not gonna work, everyone has nukes now. You'll be next if you start one.
Use your intelligence not instincts.

Hiro...you're kidding, right?

I whish they understand that.

China, because they are economically stable and we (as in Europe) aren't. Morally though they're pretty fucked.

Norway is ranked highest in terms of living conditions.

But then it also uses the most resources per person...

It's a wide, ongoing debate that doesn't necessarily have a correct answer.

Every country has it's merits and faults so none is.

well there are probably a few up there, but america certainly isn't the best

Best is opinionated. I think America is the best country on Earth because I would rather live here than anywhere else.

Also because we have a bangin theme song courtesy of Team America.

almost everyone thinks their country is the best, If you love living their you would think it's the best.

Nope, fuck you faggots. Can't handle someone asking a question.