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#99 - CrackPipeWillie (09/06/2012) [-]
mfw America thinks they know what is best for everyone, and end up causing millions of innocent deaths in the process. They think that because (they used to) be a World Power, and had a alot of wealth that they can go in and 			****		 up everyone else, for "the greater good" when they are just as evil, if not more then most down-looked countries in the world.
mfw America thinks they know what is best for everyone, and end up causing millions of innocent deaths in the process. They think that because (they used to) be a World Power, and had a alot of wealth that they can go in and **** up everyone else, for "the greater good" when they are just as evil, if not more then most down-looked countries in the world.
User avatar #126 to #99 - KillerKlownKKK (09/06/2012) [-]
With out the American Economy Most countries across the world would still be living in mud huts and eating boiled rats for every meal. Not only does America Spend more money than the Rest of the world combined on foreign aid, America's Consumer Economy holds up more than 65% of the worlds economy. So to hear any ignorant moron say "used to be a super power" is laughable. And as far as Military? There's not a single country out there that could take the US on. So No Sir you're wrong and whether or not you agree with America's overtly aggressive actions (ie. Bombing the **** out of Douchebag CUNTtrees) That doesn't change the fact that in a few years America WILL once again be the most powerfull country in the world no questions asked.
User avatar #132 to #126 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Ha, righto. China is only a few years behind you in terms of military power, and are increasing their budget for research and development. Keep believing your government's ****** propaganda.

You're seriously kidding yourself by thinking that another country wouldn't have taken your place if you were destroyed early in your existence.

You're fighting people you helped train and equip. How does that make you feel? How does it make you feel knowing that your country's security forces are that ******* short-sighted?
#193 to #132 - psestabber (09/06/2012) [-]
Please don't listen to him....
User avatar #448 to #193 - oxan (09/07/2012) [-]
There is a serious problem in the United States. Your people are brainwashed by government propaganda. There's no question about it. Your government does censor your media.

However, not all of you simply accept that. I do know that there are some enlightened Americans, don't worry.
#163 to #132 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
U relize how little of a force we have compaired to them we have to Gear up. It would cost TRILLIONS of dollars to be able to give their military Gear and weapons and everything. So their not gonna catch up any time soon.
User avatar #174 to #163 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
They also have a huge workforce. It's about proportion. They're catching up.
#178 to #174 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
And their work force is paid pennies. Its how that works their Rich are EXTREMELY rich just like ares. Nothing is different from their and here. They are poorer with more people and ****** Work places. FFS they have 10 year olds working in sweat shops.
User avatar #181 to #178 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
To provide for your capitalism.

China has, however, begun reforms, increasing wages and improving civil rights and political freedoms.
#183 to #181 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
And their goes a **** ton of there minimal economy. Think about it. Less money More people. Its gonna be difficult as **** to double their economy any time soon. As we are growing still.
User avatar #185 to #183 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
You're barely growing. Chinese economic growth surpasses yours.

Anyway, I have to go for the night. I'll continue when I get back from school tomorrow.

#188 to #185 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Have a good night and look forward to are Argument in the morning Good sir.
#200 to #188 - Common Pepe (09/06/2012) [-]
You are an idiot.
Your economical advance is nonexistent compared to most countries. You were one of the few areas in the world that had an infrastructure after WW2. 70 years later many countries have caught up you. This is why in the longrun you are not winning. China is.

Your military is without doubt the most powerful in the world. Well congratulations, you are also enemies to most the world. Do you realise the countries you are waging war in now and plotting against are going to be dominant superpowers or even united in a century or two? Do you realise they will hate your guts for all the warcrimes you have done in their homelands? Do you even comprehend that there is not a single nation in the world that will survive a nuclear world war 3 and that the United States foreignpolicy is building up the hate to launch it?

Do you know whats the most irritating part of all of this?
You refuse to solve your problems because you are afraid of socialism.
You are afraid that the whole United States and then the world will turn into another Soviet and everyone will praise Marx, Lenin and Mao as gods.
And by that completely ignores the fact that the Nordic countries have succeeded in the use of socialdemocracy to create a country with more justice and less corruption.
We don't need a huge military to meddle in other countries, because we have nothing to meddle about. We don't start war of religious reasons because 80% of us are nonbelievers.
Socialdemocracy WORKS.
Yet not a single person in the US accepts this concepts, everyone just pisses themself of fear because of communism.
The Nordics have less rich people. We also have less debt than US.

What makes me mad is not that you are what you are.

What makes me mad is the fact that you refuse to even consider a change. In ANYTHING.
''Is this not the year of 1907?''
#424 to #200 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
That Gets rid of the entire american dream. That is what people are afraid of not the fact that it will reduce rich people. To be honest i would rather be broke with a chance of becoming rich *Look at are president a broke guy that worked hard and now is in charge of a world super power* if everything is owned by the government which you guys say is stupid *which it is* Would you really like it to own Everything in are lives to the point where we would just be making more things that would harm even more people then we already are..
#447 to #424 - oxan (09/07/2012) [-]
That's your problem right there.

The only reason the capitalist system remains is because the majority of the workers have been tricked into believing that everyone has the chance to be rich. That, however, is a blatant lie. Not to mention that longing for such a thing increases crime. The rich block legitimate ways to become rich, therefore the only remaining ones are illegitimate means, such as crime. These are valid social theories.

Furthermore, Anon was talking about Social Democracy which is NOT Socialism. The State does not own everything in a social democracy. Nor does the state own everything in a socialist system. Nor does the state own everything in a communist system.

Socialism is about bringing under state control the most valuable sectors of the economy. For Australia, that would be mining. Through nationalisation of certain industries, the government has increased spending money they can use on improving social services. The more that is paid by the state, means the less the citizens pay, meaning the more money they can spend on goods, meaning more goods can be produced, meaning more production is needed, meaning more jobs are created.

The best part is you can still become uber rich in such a system.
#110 to #99 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
I messed up a lot on my other comment, So what i said was...
You cannot sit there and be so ignorant to say the US isn't a world power anymore.
We by far have the Most High tech army in the world. If you took every countries defense
Budget and added it together the US is only 9% short of being 1/2 of the ENTIRE WORLDS budget. So i came here to say. If you honestly think the US isn't a power anymore your utterly retarded.
User avatar #112 to #110 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
>Implying military power is the only criteria to being a superpower

Brazil and Germany are both on track to obtain super power status within a few decades.
#114 to #112 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Well to be fair Germany is one of the most prospering countries in the world and yes Military power is a VERY LARGE thing in super powers because you can be the Smartest High developing country in the world but if we bomb the living **** out of you *Like we have been doing to counties over stupid **** * Your not gonna make it to far.
User avatar #118 to #114 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
It's important, but it isn't the only criteria.

And considering the good bombing the **** out of the country did you in Vietnam...
#119 to #118 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Dont forget japan my friend.
User avatar #122 to #119 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]

Just so you know, using nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear power would never be justified and would be met with worldwide condemnation, and you'd never use nuclear weapons against another nuclear power because they have nuclear weapons.

I also should add that China, India and North Korea have all declared they will only use their nuclear weapons defensively and will never be the first one to fire.
#129 to #122 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Well at the point we acually used it we were the only ones that had it and that was the only time we have used it in war so Cool story.
User avatar #130 to #129 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
And now that other people have it, what are you going to do? Your policy of bombing the **** out of everyone won't work on the people you really want it to work on.

Just accept that the United States is no longer the superpower it used to be. You're being destroyed by low-tech insurgents, for ****** sake. Your government and its security forces are perhaps the stupidest in the world. You ******* trained the organisations that are now training the people you've made the world help you fight.

For that reason, the USSR will always be the one who won the Cold War to me.
#151 to #130 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
To be completely fair...
With out the American Economy Most countries across the world would still be living in mud huts and eating boiled rats for every meal. Not only does America Spend more money than the Rest of the world combined on foreign aid, America's Consumer Economy holds up more than 65% of the worlds economy. So to hear any ignorant moron say "used to be a super power" is laughable. And as far as Military? There's not a single country out there that could take the US on. So No Sir you're wrong and whether or not you agree with America's overtly aggressive actions (ie. Bombing the **** out of Douchebag CUNTtrees) That doesn't change the fact that in a few years America WILL once again be the most powerfull country in the world no questions asked. AsKillerklownkkk had said earlier.
User avatar #155 to #151 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Haha, righto, mate. Australia's economy is growing faster than Germany's, which is growing faster than yours. Australia holds the record for continuous economic growth at 21 years.

There are several countries that could take you on. Have fun being the aggressor against China or Russia.

And **** ****** , you can barely afford your ******* military.
#160 to #155 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Are GDP is $15.09 Trillion and are military is at 700 Billion. Im pretty sure we can support it. What we cant support is Social Security because of the baby boomers. Get your **** straight.
User avatar #166 to #160 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Oh **** ****** .

You're in debt, idiot. Your GDP can't balance your expenses. You need to make cuts and you need to cut your defence budget. That, and raise taxes on the rich.

You also need to improve working conditions and stop allowing companies to outsource, as it's leading to poverty and to increased amounts of crime and prisoners. If you fix your working conditions and stop allowing companies to outsource - the 'socialist' ideas you're so afraid of - you can save costs on prisons and law enforcement.

**** ****** .
#175 to #166 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
A Very large help of cutting are debt would taxing China more on their exports to us because that in itself will stop outsourcing.
#170 to #166 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Holy **** your a genius Tax the rich. The people who for the most part give us jobs. You know what Lets take every single penny from the rich and lets see.. lets do the math.. Are DEBT ISNT EVEN TOUCHED. i agree we need to do cuts and military will be cut but we still will be spending **** tons more then most countries. We will also have to build more production of things to sell to other countries. Working conditions in the US are pretty damn good. We have to many Unions to stop ****** conditions. I COMPLETELY Agree on the outcourse part.
User avatar #179 to #170 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Yeah, tax the rich. In the late 1900s, there was a tax rate of NINETY PERCENT for the rich. And they got along just fine, and so did your country. Hell, if I remember right, the proposed tax increases on the rich would cover the budget cuts to the Pentagon.

You don't take everything from the rich, you take a proportion. The entire point of a leveled tax system is so the rich then invest money into business, so they make more profit instead of just getting it taken through taxes. The investments then increase jobs.

Holy dicking **** , your working conditions are terrible. You ******* don't even have Universal Healthcare.

Everything you're repeating is just ****** capitalist propaganda.
#171 to #170 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
#154 to #151 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Not all of the above i agree with completely but the Entire US economy part. We are a very large supporter in the Economy. We do Supply the world with a very large amount of foreign aid and you guys hate us. personally i think we should stop buying everyones **** for a few years stop fighting wars and see what happens that would be awesome to see how everything would play out but that will never happen.
#149 to #130 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
What do you mean USSR wont the cold war no one really won it. Their wasnt even acual fighting going on and we were about evenly matched. Who do you mean We want to use it on? China? Without The US Chinas GDP drops to the **** because we arent buying their products anymore and the US would actually start to Make things again. Which i would actually prefer and i love how you say we are losing to insurgents when we killed osama? The main goal? the Complete Reason we were there in the first place.. The US Does do stupid **** like i said before and im not arguing that fact im arguing the fact that we are Still a superpower if you like it or not. The US has sway over how things are done either way.
User avatar #153 to #149 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
>He actually believes the US invaded Afghanistan for Osama

Oh lawd. Okay. Moving on.

The Cold War was fought by proxies. The US is the 'winner', as communism collapsed and 'capitalism' lived on. That was the reason for the Cold War: Soviet influence against Western influence.

Without China, the US will collapse. To get off China's teet, you will have to rebuild your industry over several decades. But you won't, since your country is effectively a plutocracy ( **** yeah, capitalism).

Your own government censors news about the Afghanistan War because otherwise support for the war would be even lower. Also, Osama was in Pakistan.

Sorry, what else... Oh, yes.

The US is still a superpower, but barely. Your economy is collapsing, you can't sustain your military. A significant part of your population is below the poverty line and the majority of your electorate believe in magical beings and a good portion of them are paranoid about communism and can't tell the difference between communism, socialism and social democracy (the latter being what Obama is, but only barely).

Face it: your country is **** , and is barely holding onto its world power status. Soon, you're going to be overtaken by Germany YET AGAIN. Germany also has an armed forces limited as decreed by YOU.

**** ****** , Germany beats you proportionally in everything.
#159 to #153 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
We wanted Osama and gas. Were getting both so i dont see where your going with the first comment. 15.1% of are population is under the poverty line China is at 13.4% . But, we are getting hit harder by a very bad recession and like you said the wars were in. I dont get your argument over this because we did go in because they attack are civilians first. Whilst, we weren't at war with anyone.*For the time being*. But overall Recessions happen. To every country. China has been hit a bit because of are recession *we are a slight pull on their economy if you didnt know*. **** if it wasnt for NATO *Who mostly uses the US's Army Tech* germany and a LOT more wars would be going on.
User avatar #162 to #159 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
You're aware that even pilots are often on foodstamps in the US, right? China is huge. It's a very large country, and the fact that it has a lower poverty level is commendable.

Everyone's getting hit by the recession you caused. But countries like Australia are doing well. Our economy is great.

You also intervened in Afghanistan in ways that could be considered illegal and should've been grounds for war during the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

>They attacked civilians first
A few thousand, yes. How many civilians have your drones alone killed?

>NATO uses mostly US Army tech
France's service rifle is French. Germany's German. Britain's British. All three use the Eurofighter Typhoon and Eurocopters. All have their own high-tech equipment. Germany's equipment will always be superior to yours.

**** son.

Fewer wars would be happening if it wasn't your capitalist imperialist interest.
#168 to #162 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
The average pay for a US Army pilot is $57,000 dude so im gonna say ******** on the food stamps seeing how we wont allow them to get them on that Salary.
User avatar #180 to #168 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Not military pilots; commercial pilots.
#167 to #162 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
They started it. I like how your gonna argue the fact that we are stupid in wars when ive said that multiple times now. And ******** their would be less wars you know the only reason their would be less wars is because their would be less countries. If it was communism people that werent the top would be **** and dirt poor. We have a dying middle class currently but like i said Recessions happen. They have been happening and they will not just disappear. Its great Germany builds great stuff i like their cars. Because like you said we make sure they dont have an army. No worries there. France,Germany and britian are all Allies of the US so that is good also.
User avatar #173 to #167 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
Recessions can be stopped through planning. The free market has been proven to not work. You have to keep it regulated. You know what else you can do? Nationalise industry.

The reason your middle class is dying is because your capitalist overlords are finding cheaper ways to produce **** , but they fail to realise that if you outsource, people in the countries you market to can't afford to buy your **** .

France, Germany and the UK are your allies, yes. But that wasn't your point.

There would be less wars if it wasn't for imperialism, the higher stage of capitalism.
#182 to #173 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
hahah you my friend have never been in economics then. Its nearly Impossible to stop every recession. This recession was made ****** because of multiple reasons Bush gave are Excess money away as a gift to the US civilians. And then we were in 2 wars simultaneously. And once again i agree on the Outsource part Tax the **** out of companies that want to export jobs somewhere else.. And yea that wasnt my point but my point is for the most part anyone that makes good **** are our allies. China for the most part is are ally. We have moments of tension but for the most part still allys and communism would lead to imperialism bud.
User avatar #184 to #182 - oxan (09/06/2012) [-]
No communist country every engaged in imperialism. The Soviets intervened in Afghanistan at the request of the legitimate government.

Not to mention that post-Lenin Soviet Union was a huge **** up of Stalinism, not communism, and China are free-market 'socialists'.

Recessions can be at least reduced by financial planning and nationalisation.
#208 to #184 - Common Pepe (09/06/2012) [-]
you shouldn't argue with amircans about socialism, comunism and soviet russia, because they are biased about them
User avatar #209 to #208 - bwlad (09/06/2012) [-]
^forgot to log in :O
User avatar #449 to #209 - oxan (09/07/2012) [-]
Unfortunately, most of the Western world is. I've even debated my father about my socialist beliefs. I have managed to make him more open-minded, however.

It's the result of a fear campaign undertaken by the West in order to support war efforts against the USSR.
User avatar #454 to #449 - bwlad (09/07/2012) [-]
that's sadly true, the germans judge socialism on the failures of th German Democratic Republic/east germany which wasn't ruled by russia but by it's own President who made many mistakes, the building of the german wall goes also on his account
#187 to #184 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
like i said they cant be stopped they can be reduced but like i also said it hit us in at a terrible time.
#186 to #184 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
umm Italy Benito Mussolini was starting to take over other countries. Hitler for christ sake you know that one. Stalin And took poland and other countries after ww2 to make an iron curtain around russia. What do you think they were planning?
User avatar #450 to #186 - oxan (09/07/2012) [-]
As Simmen said, Mussolini was fascist, and so was Hitler. National Socialism was socialism in name only.

The USSR liberated territories that were either occupied by Germany or were German puppet states. The capitalist media has twisted the necessary liberations (necessary in order to defeat Germany) into hostile invasions, which they were most certainly not.

1/2. Differences between communism, Leninism and Stalinism coming up.
User avatar #291 to #186 - simmen (09/06/2012) [-]
Mussolini is a Facist, hitler wasn't a communist (actually hated it (read: invasion of Sovjet). Also ,read difference between communism and stalinism.
#425 to #291 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Ok I've actually been looking and cannot find really much of a difference between communism and stalinism. Would you like to elaborate
User avatar #451 to #425 - oxan (09/07/2012) [-]
'Communism' is an end goal, in which the State (the government) is little more than a economic regulatory body.

Leninism was the original ideology of the USSR. Leninism was a transitional stage between capitalism and communism. Now, with Lenin, there was a central authority, but there were local 'soviets' (Russian for 'council'. Like local councils, or county governments or whatever it is in the United States). The local workers' soviets would hold real power, as communism is meant to be local, self-governance.

Stalinism focused on the policy of 'War Communism' that Lenin had introduced to fuel the war effort. It was considered a necessary evil that was required to win the Russian Civil War, and was later replaced by the New Economic Policy when Lenin realised how bad War Communism was for the Russian citizens. War Communism was characterised by total government control of the means of production, whereas the NEP allowed private enterprise, while the government retained control of big industry, banks and foreign trade.

Eventually, Stalinism became extremely centralised, and the power of local soviets diminished, as Stalin sought to solidify his control. Through the Stalin period is where the majority of the human right violations by the USSR are committed. Lenin himself warned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that Stalin was not fit for leadership and wasn't concerned about their comrades.

More social liberal reforms were made after Stalin died. However, severe deregulations of the economy by the new governments lead to the eventual collapse.
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User avatar #108 to #99 - Bruda (09/06/2012) [-]
America is still a world power I believe but otherwise I agree with your statement though not all Americans think that way majority of us think America is too power hungry and that if America didn't do all this ******** we'd be better off hell even 9/11 we were the bad guys we bombed more of their people then they killed during the attack though people lost family members in that and I feel very sorry
#113 to #108 - jeebzus (09/06/2012) [-]
Well this is true. But we didn't start the war entirely by attacking civilians. The US has done extremely stupid **** over time but this isn't completely one of those times. The fact that we are still there is stupid but that's another thing for another time..
#102 to #99 - kook (09/06/2012) [-]
I don't understand what you are saying. Come back when you have bigger guns and learn to speak freedom you communist.
#137 to #102 - thenickel (09/06/2012) [-]
Sarcasm it seems goes right over the head of the butthurt. I found your comment funny.
#331 to #137 - kook (09/06/2012) [-]
If there's one thing I've learned about this site, it's that most of the people on here are too stupid to identify super blatant sarcasm
#106 to #102 - Common Pepe (09/06/2012) [-]
Made me laugh harder than the post up top.
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