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trolljunkusa (08/22/2012) [-] The school system is retarded. The only subjects at the moment that have any good effect on children are P.E., Science (Only the advanced STEM Science), Beneficial electives (Music and arts), and electives involving stock
Why is the math system wrong? Heres why: They expect you to know advanced math at a young age. Some can do it, others cannot. Algebra was unheard of at age 10. Now they are in Algebra 2 at age 10 (Exaggeration of course). They also rush it. Algebra cannot be rushed. Algebra is too complicated, and the people they are teaching it too are too young to memorize all of that! Not only does it take a good memory too do Algebra, but it takes a good teacher. A teacher who can keep it interesting. Geometry is a great thing to teach to kids in middle school. Shapes apply too kids more. Now, here is the real issue, does geometry not come to you? Does Algebra come to you? Well you should be able to test into a special class for Algebra and take Geometry when you are in high school. Another thing that needs to change. Memorization. The school system is all about "Memorize, repeat, Memorize more, repeat more". That isn't how the real world works. Of course with some subjects that is appropriate. But not math. The tests are built so that if you study, and stress out, and go crazy over the one test, you pass. But if you try and take the healthy approach by studying calmly, resting, and having 20 minute study periods every hour, you fail. They are litterely brain washing kids
Language Arts: The education system focuses on vocabulary, and basics throughout the whole 12 years. Almost no practice on speeches and papers. Speeches and papers are the backbone of college. It's the main project you will do. I'm a very good speaker and writer, but I still make flaws. I need someone to correct my flaws in my papers and prepare me for writing applications, college term papers, and other stuff
Languages: continued in next comment
Why is the math system wrong? Heres why: They expect you to know advanced math at a young age. Some can do it, others cannot. Algebra was unheard of at age 10. Now they are in Algebra 2 at age 10 (Exaggeration of course). They also rush it. Algebra cannot be rushed. Algebra is too complicated, and the people they are teaching it too are too young to memorize all of that! Not only does it take a good memory too do Algebra, but it takes a good teacher. A teacher who can keep it interesting. Geometry is a great thing to teach to kids in middle school. Shapes apply too kids more. Now, here is the real issue, does geometry not come to you? Does Algebra come to you? Well you should be able to test into a special class for Algebra and take Geometry when you are in high school. Another thing that needs to change. Memorization. The school system is all about "Memorize, repeat, Memorize more, repeat more". That isn't how the real world works. Of course with some subjects that is appropriate. But not math. The tests are built so that if you study, and stress out, and go crazy over the one test, you pass. But if you try and take the healthy approach by studying calmly, resting, and having 20 minute study periods every hour, you fail. They are litterely brain washing kids
Language Arts: The education system focuses on vocabulary, and basics throughout the whole 12 years. Almost no practice on speeches and papers. Speeches and papers are the backbone of college. It's the main project you will do. I'm a very good speaker and writer, but I still make flaws. I need someone to correct my flaws in my papers and prepare me for writing applications, college term papers, and other stuff
Languages: continued in next comment
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N. Korean citizen (08/22/2012) [-]
In most subjects I take, besides the ones that take actual time and care to do(such as art and programming), I end up being held back because I have to take the course at the speed of the SLOWEST possible kid in the country, "No child left behind" is bullshit the only thing it has done is standardize everyone to the lowest level they can, there's no option to continue beyond the class now as teachers aren't allowed to give work early and tests/exams cannot be taken before the most of the class to prevent "cheating", I've ended up reading the entire Math text book in only a few months from boredom.
People can only excel if you let them, holding those who can do better back with the slowest kid only makes them hate the system and do worse since there is no motivation to do anything in school.
Art courses are fun because they let YOU decide what to do based off of guidelines, they let you run free and make what you want to make, not be forced to regurgitate answers onto a sheet of paper.
People can only excel if you let them, holding those who can do better back with the slowest kid only makes them hate the system and do worse since there is no motivation to do anything in school.
Art courses are fun because they let YOU decide what to do based off of guidelines, they let you run free and make what you want to make, not be forced to regurgitate answers onto a sheet of paper.
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dispensa ONLINE (08/22/2012) [-] The Swiss system (german part)^of switzerland) forces you to learn proper german, french and english if you ever plan on being anything more than a janitor.
I'd understand if only the cantons (states) that have both french and german speaking cities would force french, however it's every canton with german as the most spoken language.
To make it worse, it's pretty much meant for german speaking swiss to speak french when visiting a french speaking city or giving advice to french speaking citizens. German classes in french speaking cities are a joke, said quite a few french speaking friends I have.
To make it EVEN MORE WORSE, french is one of the major classes in advanced schools, even the ones for technical jobs. Meaning you can get screwed over if you're not good enough in french and another not too technical subject like PE or advanced german.
Oh, did I mention the majority of Switzerland speaks german and more important languages like english become less important the higher the school?
Yeah it's fucking stupid.
I'd understand if only the cantons (states) that have both french and german speaking cities would force french, however it's every canton with german as the most spoken language.
To make it worse, it's pretty much meant for german speaking swiss to speak french when visiting a french speaking city or giving advice to french speaking citizens. German classes in french speaking cities are a joke, said quite a few french speaking friends I have.
To make it EVEN MORE WORSE, french is one of the major classes in advanced schools, even the ones for technical jobs. Meaning you can get screwed over if you're not good enough in french and another not too technical subject like PE or advanced german.
Oh, did I mention the majority of Switzerland speaks german and more important languages like english become less important the higher the school?
Yeah it's fucking stupid.
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HolyArachnid (08/22/2012) [-] My friend, you've hit the nail right on the head. With math, whether you succeed and love it or fail and hate it so often rests on the way it's taught, and the way the schools teach it seems to get worse and worse by the year. Young children need to be shown that it can be fun, like the word and number games they play, and that you can explain so much of the world around you through it.
God.....I can remember utterly DESPISING math through pretty much all of elementary and middle school, to the point where my marks were so bad that my parents were considering a tutor for me. Then, when I was twelve, I stumbled across Bob Miller's excellent books on higher math, and all of a sudden I couldn't get enough of the stuff: over the course of one summer, I made it through algebra I and II, advanced geometry, trig, and the basics of calc, all on my own and for the sheer fun of it. My parents and teachers were stunned, and so were the college admissions people later on when I placed into Calc I like it was nothing. It always sounds like bragging when I talk about it; but in all honesty, it's as amazing to me as anyone, and I hope I can get it through to people that pretty much anyone can do it if they've got the right help.
God.....I can remember utterly DESPISING math through pretty much all of elementary and middle school, to the point where my marks were so bad that my parents were considering a tutor for me. Then, when I was twelve, I stumbled across Bob Miller's excellent books on higher math, and all of a sudden I couldn't get enough of the stuff: over the course of one summer, I made it through algebra I and II, advanced geometry, trig, and the basics of calc, all on my own and for the sheer fun of it. My parents and teachers were stunned, and so were the college admissions people later on when I placed into Calc I like it was nothing. It always sounds like bragging when I talk about it; but in all honesty, it's as amazing to me as anyone, and I hope I can get it through to people that pretty much anyone can do it if they've got the right help.
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trolljunkusa (08/22/2012) [-] I had this amazing teacher my first year of Algebra, and was passing it with flying colors. I got switched to a new teacher, and failed. Immediately failed. And for some reason NO ONE could figure out why, except me. I tried to say it was the teacher not working out for me. One reason why they couldn't figure it out is because everyone else loved him and got 106% while I got 50%. I was called lazy, unethical, and was wrongfully held back in math. I'm actually writing a book right now on what needs to change and talking to my local congressman to help propose a plan to reform the education system. I've been spreading awareness of this around my community as well.
But this proves my point that it is 90% the teacher
But this proves my point that it is 90% the teacher
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trolljunkusa (08/22/2012) [-] Languages: Spanish is bullshit, we don't need to learn it, we need to learn stuff like Chinese and Japanese. Why? When dealing with buisness, you will have to deal with Chinese buisnessmen, and Japanese buisnessmen. Not going into buisness? You need to learn latin though. Latin will make learning spanish bullshit. seeing ass how they're both based off latin, it's easy to translate em throught latin.
Science: Younger kids are bettter at advanced science than older kids. It's a fact. We need to flip science by putting physics and chemistry, and biology in middle school, and enviromental science, and basic science in high school! (by choice of the kid of course, we can't have a person not good at science in advanced chemistry)
There is my rant
Science: Younger kids are bettter at advanced science than older kids. It's a fact. We need to flip science by putting physics and chemistry, and biology in middle school, and enviromental science, and basic science in high school! (by choice of the kid of course, we can't have a person not good at science in advanced chemistry)
There is my rant
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N. Korean citizen (08/22/2012) [-]
Spanish is a widely spoken language, third most widely spoken in the world. The structure and alphabet is also similar to English, making it an easy language to teach English speakers. The problem with English speaking nations is they have it easy when it comes to language, they don't need to learn another language because modern popular culture is based around English. Popular culture is what makes kids learn, not business prospects, that's the sad truth. For instance, when was the last time you saw a Chinese TV show in the original language? Or tried to browse a Japanese website. There is no drive to learn those languages when you're young because you have no need for it, you only start to realise the need when you're older and by that point, learning a language is harder.
Spanish is taught to try and get kids into a second language, to say "Hey, learning a language is easy and fun!", only problem is it's taught awfully. After five years of me taking Spanish, I still wasn't close to being literate, I only started learning something when I when into private classes. From there I started learning German. Currently I'm learning conversational Japanese. Once you've learnt one, the others come like child's play, they try and teach you the one so the other come. They fail in that regard because nobody has the drive to learn even one.
Learning Asian languages would put off kids so hard it isn't even funny. Saying to a twelve year old "Right, now learn these six verb endings. Great now you can apply these to almost any verb you like" is one thing, saying "Right, now learn six symbols, their various meanings, their stroke order and how to apply them. Great, six down, three thousand others to go until you're half-conversational" is another thing entirely.
As for Latin, unless you're into classical literature, it's effectively pointless. Same with Ancient Greek.
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Spanish is taught to try and get kids into a second language, to say "Hey, learning a language is easy and fun!", only problem is it's taught awfully. After five years of me taking Spanish, I still wasn't close to being literate, I only started learning something when I when into private classes. From there I started learning German. Currently I'm learning conversational Japanese. Once you've learnt one, the others come like child's play, they try and teach you the one so the other come. They fail in that regard because nobody has the drive to learn even one.
Learning Asian languages would put off kids so hard it isn't even funny. Saying to a twelve year old "Right, now learn these six verb endings. Great now you can apply these to almost any verb you like" is one thing, saying "Right, now learn six symbols, their various meanings, their stroke order and how to apply them. Great, six down, three thousand others to go until you're half-conversational" is another thing entirely.
As for Latin, unless you're into classical literature, it's effectively pointless. Same with Ancient Greek.
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trolljunkusa (08/22/2012) [-] While your argument is valid. There are some flaws
here they are:
Ancient Greek and Latin are easy to learn, and will make any language come easier than if you learn spanish. I don't feel like typing huge paragraphs right now anymore
here they are:
Ancient Greek and Latin are easy to learn, and will make any language come easier than if you learn spanish. I don't feel like typing huge paragraphs right now anymore
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MitsukiOokami (08/22/2012) [-] Your rant. I like it. My high school actually took away latin the year before I entered it. Their reasoning was that the two teachers for it were retiring and that "it had no real world application to hire another instructor." They claimed that any language that wasn't French or Spanish was not worth the funding they would have to put into it, and even then they discontinued the french program after I graduated.
But allow me to add to your rant beyond primary school. Say you are going to college as an English major. Why do we have to take 2 years of science or three years of mathematics? Say you're going to school to be a graphic artist, what is the point of taking five semesters of philosophy? They expect us to learn subjects that will never relate to our future employment and it puts a huge hole in our wallets in the end (which is probably the point now that I think about it).
"If you can't expect the teacher to teach all the subjects, how can you expect a student to learn all the subjects?"
But allow me to add to your rant beyond primary school. Say you are going to college as an English major. Why do we have to take 2 years of science or three years of mathematics? Say you're going to school to be a graphic artist, what is the point of taking five semesters of philosophy? They expect us to learn subjects that will never relate to our future employment and it puts a huge hole in our wallets in the end (which is probably the point now that I think about it).
"If you can't expect the teacher to teach all the subjects, how can you expect a student to learn all the subjects?"
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trolljunkusa (08/22/2012) [-] Exactly. "Oh hurr hurr you need to lern thers to sex seed" bullshit. I need to learn a few things for the job that will keep me happy. Parents say real world is harder when you get out of school. Now it's the opposite. Real world is very easy. Go to work. Eat. Sleep. Reproduce. It's simple
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HolyArachnid (08/22/2012) [-] "Sex seed" kinda threw me for a second there ;P
I myself have often thought that the real world isn't "harder" inasmuch as there's just plain less room for bullshit. A lot of these kids, especially the technology-weaned brats of this generation, are having to learn that a lot of the crap they've been conditioned to care about (by their peers as well as the school system) doesn't actually matter. Once you've acclimated to it all, though (and gotten a steady job, to be fair, which in this economy can be the hard part), it really is a liberating and rewarding feeling to be out on your own and in charge of yourself.
I myself have often thought that the real world isn't "harder" inasmuch as there's just plain less room for bullshit. A lot of these kids, especially the technology-weaned brats of this generation, are having to learn that a lot of the crap they've been conditioned to care about (by their peers as well as the school system) doesn't actually matter. Once you've acclimated to it all, though (and gotten a steady job, to be fair, which in this economy can be the hard part), it really is a liberating and rewarding feeling to be out on your own and in charge of yourself.
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MitsukiOokami (08/22/2012) [-] Precisely. The hardest part of life is school and figuring out how to pay for said schooling. The school systems need a complete overhaul, but there's so much money in it, not to mention that test score competition with other countries, that colleges and government won't change it. That is why these rants are useless and will never be heard.
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peanutbuttahjellah (08/22/2012) [-] Well as many languages are based off of Latin (including English) it is quite useful for basic translations into other languages based off of Latin. I took Latin for 2 years and I'm able to understand some basic Spanish and Italian even though I've never been taught anything from either of them.
As for languages in Canada, French is absolutely useless unless you plan on travelling to France because they teach traditional French rather than Canadian-French.
As for languages in Canada, French is absolutely useless unless you plan on travelling to France because they teach traditional French rather than Canadian-French.
