what an idiot

what is Muslims were right, what if the Greeks were right, what if the other 7000 gods were right?

Also if the Jewish God was right everyone gets heaven... so ya, hedge your bets there!

It's closer to 3000.


justsaiyan.

Then sucks to be me I suppose, but at least I have a 1/7000 chance, as opposed to 0. :)

not exactly

Please explain?

well lets say that their is a god who didnt reveal him self who likes people who don't choose a fake god to worship instead of him

why couldn't the big bang be the vehicle for creation via the natural laws of the universe...?

You're fucking kidding me right? It could be that after death, only Christians go to hell and Atheists are rewarded and have the most comfortable spots in heaven. Wanna know the real bad part about being a Christian? Being this fucking stupid right here^

Wait wait wait... Your argument is that the atheists, who do not believe in Heaven, will be the ones rewarded in Heaven?......and you called ME stupid?

technically his view has the same value as yours. He's just hedging his bets in a God that favours atheists...

For some reason, I find it unlikely that a God would reward somebody for Not believing in Him. Your argument is fair though, you get a +1.

Prove it.

it's a wager. There's no proof, it's just a bet...

If your faith is entirely based on trying to beat the odds that's one insincere faith xD

That was a joke drawing a parallel with the content.

I'm with you bro.

what are your thoughts on my comment, sir?

BTW Pascal's Wager is one of the shittiest defenses for religion ever made... Philosophers love to make fun of it.


Though it's not as bad as Descartes' defense for god. Everything that exists has a form. The essence of the object. A perfect circle for instance. That perfect circle can only exist in thought because reality cannot allow for a surface with no edges.

When one tries to imagine the form of God they must imagine perfection. Perfection necessitates existence, therefore God exists. Now you may think this could justify saying that the perfect circle exists but the form of the circle does not require existence. The form of God does.

It's a stupid theory because it's just a medley of assumptions. Assuming perfection necessitates existence, assuming the imagined form of God is the real form of God. etc. etc.

You have a right to believe that, and I have a right to believe otherwise. I don't see the things I do as a "sacrifice". There is no sense arguing over something that has no true answer, so let's not.

just remember, a faith based on trying to beat the odds is incredibly insincere. You'd do well to read up on more positively received philosophies xD

I agree, but Pascal's Wager is not the sole reason I'm Christian, not even a major part. I love going to Church every Sunday and meeting the genuinely nice folk, donating a few bucks so we can, as a group, clean up some run-down houses, but in the end, Heaven is why I'm Christian. Even if it isn't real; to look forward to something that amazing is one heck of an incentive to be a good person. And if I believe in Heaven, why not believe in Pascal's Wager as well? If anything it strengthens my Faith, it teches me that there is no sense doubting God or Heaven because the alternative is fear of Hell.

Here I go, arguing like I said I wouldn't, i'm done, you can have the last word.

someone appears to have thumbed down all my comments... pity...

Just remember, no one will ever look fondly on Pascal's Wager... You can like it all you want... but in any discussion of religious faith and where you derive it from... if you use that Wager as a way to strengthen your faith you'll just get raped by all the philosophy majors in the group xD

Haha, same here, nobody really seems to get thumbs in these religious flame threads.

I'll think of your suggestion if I'm ever in that situation :)

I agree wholeheartedly. Pascal's Wager blows dick. You can't force your own beliefs, and a loving God would never want his children to hold their beliefs based on fear.

A God-fearing Christian is considered a good Christian. If we didn't fear Hell, what reason would we have to go to Church or pursue Heaven when there is no alternative?
If you're a good Christian, then there is no reason to have true fear, only a reason to continue doing what you are doing.

Need reason? How about just because it's a good thing to do? You're basically telling me that the only reason to even wanna do good things is because you might be punished for not doing them. What a selfish way to live.

Waaaaait a second. Hold up there, bub.
1) What do you mean, we can't explain it. High school teachers can explain it. CHILDREN can explain it. There are VIDEO GAMES about it.
2) "Ever since evolution has been thought of mankind still hasn't been able to do it ourselves therefore there has to be a divine being." We've evolved a LOT since cavemen. I'm not covered in thick, wiry, pubic-like hair, have an IQ of 124, and have the fine motor skills to type. Every generation (up until this last couple, wtf is going on) has had an increase of 20 IQ points on average. That's evolution. It's happening.

I apologize, my statement was indeed incorrect. I do not know why i mistook the word evolution with the big band. What I meant to say was atheist can not explain the big bang anymore than Christians can explain God. Sorry I have no clue why I mixed those two things up.

Well then, your statement makes much more sense, and I apologize to you if I attacked too harshly.

you expressed your opinion, and on this website you are free to do so.

...have there only been like 4 generations? Average IQ is like 105 or something... 20 points per generation?