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#359
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mexicoman (06/20/2012) [-]
Its so disturbing that people would be so damned blind as to buy this right wing ideological humor. Because the income inequality in America should be solved first by those who understand there is a problem with the corruption surrounding wealth in America. Im not going to lie, all of these right wing bastards who sneer their ignorant bullshit on the internet make me sick. When people try to nonviolently change what is wrong in this country for the betterment of us all, these people betray them. I hope when your insurance denies you for sake of profit, when the powerful have sucked all that they could from this country and moved your job to India, and when they are tapping your phones like Orwell depicted, that you lament the mistake you will have made in being responsible for letting it happen.
#377 to #375
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mexicoman (06/20/2012) [-]
My god, you scared me. I thought you were serious, well just in case: We don't hate the wealthy, we hate the powerful hedge fund manager-corporate types who have purchased our democracy (for example the Scott Walker recall election) and are shipping our jobs to other countries while enjoying tax breaks guaranteed to bring job creators the fuck here. I hate those fucking prison industrial complex bastards who have a profit motive in my being incarcerated. You don't see us shitting on Steve Jobs' desk for anything but his use of sweatshop labor in China (A LEGITIMATE CONCERN) so your shitty non-argument is invalid. Come again with something more substantive.
Figured I should mention that Walker lowered the unemployment rate by 1% and created over 10,000 jobs in Wisconsin during his year in office. He also erased a significant amount of the 3.6 billion dollar budget deficit left over from the state's previous governor, Jim Doyle, a Democrat. Statistically speaking, Walker is clearly the best man for the job. I don't really care what his budget plan looks like, it's tremendously effective.
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N. Korean citizen (06/20/2012) [-]
First: Argumentum ad hominem.
Second, I don't know anything about this "Scott Walker recall election", so i won't comment it. A brief description of what it is would be nice.
Third: "We don't hate the wealthy, we hate the powerful hedge fund manager-corporate types who have purchased our democracy"
"Purchased our democracy"? Please elaborate.
"I hate those fucking prison industrial complex bastards who have a profit motive in my being incarcerated. "
Oh, wow. Another bullshit argument for hating the rich. God forbid making a profit in incarcerations.
Second, I don't know anything about this "Scott Walker recall election", so i won't comment it. A brief description of what it is would be nice.
Third: "We don't hate the wealthy, we hate the powerful hedge fund manager-corporate types who have purchased our democracy"
"Purchased our democracy"? Please elaborate.
"I hate those fucking prison industrial complex bastards who have a profit motive in my being incarcerated. "
Oh, wow. Another bullshit argument for hating the rich. God forbid making a profit in incarcerations.
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mexicoman (06/20/2012) [-]
YES, god forbid it! The prison system has no business being for profit. It is obviously inhumane in nature! When people can make money in the business of holding people in prison that gives them an incentive to create more crime and lengthen prison sentences. How in the fuck is that bullshit by any means of the word? Do you have a soul? Are you really Karl Rove posing as anon? Whats with the crippled morality you're displaying? And as far as purchasing our democracy I would think it a fairly obvious observation. But if you need specifics, the Koch Brothers spent $3,528,750 lobbying (Legalized Bribery) in 2006, and the Scott Walker recall election was a clear case of the powerful and wealthy overtaking elections, with huge sums of outside money going into pro walker campaign contributions and ads for the sake of keeping that collective bargaining stripping bastard in power. Walker raised 30.5 million dollars to his opponents 3.9 million. Im sorry dude maybe im the asshole here but I don't believe that this amount of money should be allowed to overwhelm a fucking process like democracy. Its EXACTLY how they get people to vote against their own interests. And you have to get over this whole 'hating the rich' fallacy you have stuck inside your thought process. You know in your heart it isn't some class envy, the fact that you ignore it is a poor reflection upon you and your misguided attempts at understanding politics. GIF unrelated
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N. Korean citizen (06/21/2012) [-]
Oh ok, so the prison systems should cost millions, even billions of dollars because they have no business for profit? That's a ridiculous argument.
"that gives them an incentive to create more crime and lengthen prison sentences. "
OH WOW. And you complained about me acting as if i'm not serious.
Who the fuck wants to create more crime? The thing is, if they are going to incarcerate someone, they might as well make a little profit of it in the meantime. It's not inhumane, it's logic. If there is profits to be made, they will with all likelihood be made. I seriously don't understand the problem with it.
And lengthening prison sentences, well... If you end up in prison anyways, you <DESERVE> it.
"that gives them an incentive to create more crime and lengthen prison sentences. "
OH WOW. And you complained about me acting as if i'm not serious.
Who the fuck wants to create more crime? The thing is, if they are going to incarcerate someone, they might as well make a little profit of it in the meantime. It's not inhumane, it's logic. If there is profits to be made, they will with all likelihood be made. I seriously don't understand the problem with it.
And lengthening prison sentences, well... If you end up in prison anyways, you <DESERVE> it.
#398 to #396
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mexicoman (06/21/2012) [-]
Okay, from what you have said I can already tell your moral standards are broken or at least rightfully uncommon. And your fundamental lack of understanding in the profit motive really undercuts your argument. When I have an incentive to create more crime because it suits me well financially I want there to be a broadened crime standard so that more people are sent to my money making operation. Ill want more drug laws in place so that more people are incarcerated, so I will purchase ads for my bought politicians who will pose as 'tough on crime'. I hope you are connecting the damn dots. Yes it should cost millions or billions of dollars, because it is the fucking governments job to incapacitate threats to our society. That is why the police aren't private either, because if I can make money off of arresting people I am going to be unreasonably harsh with my arrest record. Its similar to the broken way that prosecutors work, where they have an incentive to get convictions rather than reach a true verdict. And to not care when the prison sentences are lengthened because 'they deserve it' is not only unsympathetic but also mental laziness. If I was sentenced for an unreasonable amount of time for a victimless crime or a crime under similar circumstances that show that I am not a threat to society, I will want to commit more crimes because fuck it, they already took fifteen years of life away from me and I won't be able to cope with the world now. Most of the people who are in prison are in there for selling drugs ie they don't deserve it. That and to counteract the mentality of recidivism it is a good idea to intelligently reduce prison sentences and punishments in general. Im just trying to wrap my head around when you said "if they are going to incarcerate someone, they might as well make a little profit of it in the meantime". That is an irresponsibly insane thing to say, and I think you need to spend a little more time thinking about things before typing them.
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N. Korean citizen (06/21/2012) [-]
Oh, and what laws might that be, that makes more people get incarcerated, besides the ones who already are active since long?
"Yes it should cost millions or billions of dollars, because it is the fucking governments job to incapacitate threats to our society."
With that argument, I will no longer take you seriously, and proceed to laugh at you. You can't seriously require that the government should lose massive amounts of money because of crime activity, and refuse to make a profit of it?
"And to not care when the prison sentences are lengthened because 'they deserve it' is not only unsympathetic but also mental laziness. If I was sentenced for an unreasonable amount of time for a victimless crime or a crime under similar circumstances that show that I am not a threat to society, I will want to commit more crimes because fuck it, they already took fifteen years of life away from me and I won't be able to cope with the world now."
"If i was", "If i was", jeez, stop putting yourself in other peoples positions. Also, there's a saying for that last part of what i quoted from you, it's called "digging your own grave".
"Most of the people who are in prison are in there for selling drugs ie they don't deserve it."
So feeding people their addictions with drugs that seriously damage them doesn't count as a crime in your opinion? I also noticed you talked about victimless crimes, and don't you dare try to tell me that drug dealing is a victimless crime.
"That is an irresponsibly insane thing to say, and I think you need to spend a little more time thinking about things before typing them. "
Tell me, what is wrong with making profits in the process? Note that "the prison system should stay out of it" is NOT a valid argument.
And as i mentioned before, i will no longer take you seriously.
Also, Argumentum ad hominem. Google it.
"Yes it should cost millions or billions of dollars, because it is the fucking governments job to incapacitate threats to our society."
With that argument, I will no longer take you seriously, and proceed to laugh at you. You can't seriously require that the government should lose massive amounts of money because of crime activity, and refuse to make a profit of it?
"And to not care when the prison sentences are lengthened because 'they deserve it' is not only unsympathetic but also mental laziness. If I was sentenced for an unreasonable amount of time for a victimless crime or a crime under similar circumstances that show that I am not a threat to society, I will want to commit more crimes because fuck it, they already took fifteen years of life away from me and I won't be able to cope with the world now."
"If i was", "If i was", jeez, stop putting yourself in other peoples positions. Also, there's a saying for that last part of what i quoted from you, it's called "digging your own grave".
"Most of the people who are in prison are in there for selling drugs ie they don't deserve it."
So feeding people their addictions with drugs that seriously damage them doesn't count as a crime in your opinion? I also noticed you talked about victimless crimes, and don't you dare try to tell me that drug dealing is a victimless crime.
"That is an irresponsibly insane thing to say, and I think you need to spend a little more time thinking about things before typing them. "
Tell me, what is wrong with making profits in the process? Note that "the prison system should stay out of it" is NOT a valid argument.
And as i mentioned before, i will no longer take you seriously.
Also, Argumentum ad hominem. Google it.
#400 to #399
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mexicoman (06/21/2012) [-]
Saying that government spending on prison and crime is them losing money is just like saying that investing the money needed to fund an army is losing money. They are both primal functions of the government. It is the government that organizes the judges, juries, executioners, and police. You still want the government to pay these private prisons to hold onto our criminals. And drug crime ARE victimless crimes, what I do with my own body is no business of the government. You don't fucking know better than me what I want/need, so leave my liberties alone. If my addiction has gotten so bad that I am breaking into cars for drug money, then arrest me for breaking into the damn cars. The only thing drug laws do is make it so that good people are put in prison for an unreasonable amount of time, which is what they want. And if you truly believe that drug dealing is a serious offense, then go arrest the head of Budweiser and Marlboro because they have been objectively responsible for more deaths than any street dealer ever has. If you can't see the problem there, there is no helping you, for you have sworn some misguided allegiance to the worst people among us in the private industry. And you did not truly respond to the second paragraph you quoted from me, only to insult my manner of making the argument.
"Tell me, what is wrong with making profits in the process?"
If it prolongs the process and especially if it is one that involves potential human suffering, it IS wrong.
"Tell me, what is wrong with making profits in the process?"
If it prolongs the process and especially if it is one that involves potential human suffering, it IS wrong.
#401 to #400
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N. Korean citizen (06/23/2012) [-]
So, investing money and REFUSING to in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER make any sort of profit is ok? Lol. That is against all logic thinking.
"And drug crime ARE victimless crimes, what I do with my own body is no business of the government."
OH WOW! You really are believing that drug crimes are victimless? People damage their bodies, SCAR them for LIFE, with drugs, make them ADDICTED to it, wanting to have MORE of the very thing that is KILLING them, is NOT a victimless crime?
Oh, and i notice a massive bit of hypocrisy here.
"If it prolongs the process and especially if it is one that involves potential human suffering, it IS wrong. "
You seem to have no problem with human suffering, not giving a shit if people take drugs. Why would you care about human suffering in other ways?
"And if you truly believe that drug dealing is a serious offense, then go arrest the head of Budweiser and Marlboro"
Comparing beer and cigarettes to illegal and more lethal drugs. I don't know what to say. This will be my last message, because trying to have a logical debate with you is absolutely pointless.
The difference is, they're LEGAL. AND less harmless. If they truly were harming people in severe ways, i'm damn sure they would be illegal too.
But since you seem to be very enthusiastic about comparing beer and cigarettes to lethal drugs, why don't you try to take a bit of meth every day for 2 months, and see the effects compared to beer and cigarettes?
Good luck, i'm out, because trying to be logic with you is pointless.
"And drug crime ARE victimless crimes, what I do with my own body is no business of the government."
OH WOW! You really are believing that drug crimes are victimless? People damage their bodies, SCAR them for LIFE, with drugs, make them ADDICTED to it, wanting to have MORE of the very thing that is KILLING them, is NOT a victimless crime?
Oh, and i notice a massive bit of hypocrisy here.
"If it prolongs the process and especially if it is one that involves potential human suffering, it IS wrong. "
You seem to have no problem with human suffering, not giving a shit if people take drugs. Why would you care about human suffering in other ways?
"And if you truly believe that drug dealing is a serious offense, then go arrest the head of Budweiser and Marlboro"
Comparing beer and cigarettes to illegal and more lethal drugs. I don't know what to say. This will be my last message, because trying to have a logical debate with you is absolutely pointless.
The difference is, they're LEGAL. AND less harmless. If they truly were harming people in severe ways, i'm damn sure they would be illegal too.
But since you seem to be very enthusiastic about comparing beer and cigarettes to lethal drugs, why don't you try to take a bit of meth every day for 2 months, and see the effects compared to beer and cigarettes?
Good luck, i'm out, because trying to be logic with you is pointless.
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mexicoman (06/23/2012) [-]
The last refuge of a man with no argument or any honest way to stand in a discussion, you display it in spades. Not everything is about money and standing to make a profit, the government shouldn't be most of all. Again there is a reason why the Army and police are not privatized. Tell me, when was the last time you heard of some guy coming home and getting high on marijuana right before beating the shit out of his wife? I don't need to bring up the drunk driving statistics but can you show me any substantive statistics involving a record of marijuana caused deaths? And not everybody suffers an addiction from these drugs, some of us have discipline. There are alcoholics, should we ban alcohol like we did a hundred years ago? I think we ought to be free to get addicted to things just like the free market assholes want us to be free to fail as well as succeed, if you cause a crime because it has made you dangerous THAT is when I say step in. People fucking DIE addicted to cigarettes, and they don't even get you high. The only reason those drugs are legal is because the government can't make money off of them and they can exist in American society with us still being productive little slaves for our corporate masters.
"The difference is, they're LEGAL. AND less harmless."
Well if their less harmless than whats the problem with legalizing the other More Harmless drugs? Idiot.
You sir are a cunt, you are a disingenuous drone who poses as an anon so that you don't have to wear your silly ideas on your person. I would expect nothing less from a coward such as yourself than to run from a person who can stand on their two feet. Good day to you, I hope someday you abandon your echo chamber in hopes of enlightenment away from your programmed ideology.
"The difference is, they're LEGAL. AND less harmless."
Well if their less harmless than whats the problem with legalizing the other More Harmless drugs? Idiot.
You sir are a cunt, you are a disingenuous drone who poses as an anon so that you don't have to wear your silly ideas on your person. I would expect nothing less from a coward such as yourself than to run from a person who can stand on their two feet. Good day to you, I hope someday you abandon your echo chamber in hopes of enlightenment away from your programmed ideology.
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N. Korean citizen (06/23/2012) [-]
"Tell me, when was the last time you heard of some guy coming home and getting high on marijuana right before beating the shit out of his wife?"
Are you implying that has never happened in the world of crime? Teach me your ways, almighty wise-ass!
"People fucking DIE addicted to cigarettes"
As opposed to heroin, meth, cocaine, steroids, LSD and morphine right?
"Well if their less harmless than whats the problem with legalizing the other More Harmless drugs?"
They're*
Then*
What do you think? I can't answer that question. Ask someone who is into drug politics a bit more.
Well, i couldn't resist making another message (obviously), but this will be last one. I feel sad for the fact that you are so extremely into this whole "mind your own business" bullshit that i'm fucking glad you're not a politician. You are corrupted, completely oblivious to how the world really works, and so ignorantly believes you are right to actually call it "enlightenment" for everyone else hearing your bullshit propaganda, absolutely left-wing extreme to the point that you don't believe that lethal drugs are victimless and also that the government should stay out of peoples business.
CONSEQUENCES: people get hurt, they die, it gets completely chaotic. A government led by people like you surely would thrive on illegal activities, and i'm ashamed to even refer to you as a fellow human being with your wretched ideals.
Are you implying that has never happened in the world of crime? Teach me your ways, almighty wise-ass!
"People fucking DIE addicted to cigarettes"
As opposed to heroin, meth, cocaine, steroids, LSD and morphine right?
"Well if their less harmless than whats the problem with legalizing the other More Harmless drugs?"
They're*
Then*
What do you think? I can't answer that question. Ask someone who is into drug politics a bit more.
Well, i couldn't resist making another message (obviously), but this will be last one. I feel sad for the fact that you are so extremely into this whole "mind your own business" bullshit that i'm fucking glad you're not a politician. You are corrupted, completely oblivious to how the world really works, and so ignorantly believes you are right to actually call it "enlightenment" for everyone else hearing your bullshit propaganda, absolutely left-wing extreme to the point that you don't believe that lethal drugs are victimless and also that the government should stay out of peoples business.
CONSEQUENCES: people get hurt, they die, it gets completely chaotic. A government led by people like you surely would thrive on illegal activities, and i'm ashamed to even refer to you as a fellow human being with your wretched ideals.
Well with your track record im not sure its worth believing you Mr.Isucksatanscock, at the very least my errors don't completely contradict my statement. My damn point was that cigarettes are legal, and none of these other things are. I see you avoided my governmental arguments. Its my right to do what I want with myself and I have the right to deal with the consequences. Marijuana makes you mellow, while alcohol has the capacity to remove the fear from individuals, making some of them act on violent tendencies. But they are free to drink. Not even to mention all the prescription drug addicts that exist under their demons. I love how you like to give the graces of banning drugs to protect us, but meanwhile are ignorant to the plight of those who suffer at the hands of the drug war because these drugs are illegal. You are incapable of being changed, unlike me who is not grounded so fervently into their ideology.