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largenintimidating (06/01/2012) [-]
Nukes: Dropped during a war. Ended the war early, and actually saved Japan from an invasion where their own stubbornness would have forced the invading Allies to burn the country to the ground.
Pearl Harbor: Surprise attack on a neutral nation.
Both were wrong, and if it happened 70 years ago, it's time to stop bitching about it whatever it may be. The fact still stays that Pearl Harbor is still more bitch-worthy than the nukes.
Pearl Harbor: Surprise attack on a neutral nation.
Both were wrong, and if it happened 70 years ago, it's time to stop bitching about it whatever it may be. The fact still stays that Pearl Harbor is still more bitch-worthy than the nukes.
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N. Korean citizen (06/01/2012) [-]
The attack on Pearl Harbor was unwarranted. Yes, the US oil embargo on Japan put them in a desperate position, but they could have chosen to withdraw from China.
Nuking Japan was horrific, but potentially saved lives in the end, and put an end to a brutal war.
As to your joke, both sides have valid reason to complain, and neither are foolish because they do so.
Nuking Japan was horrific, but potentially saved lives in the end, and put an end to a brutal war.
As to your joke, both sides have valid reason to complain, and neither are foolish because they do so.
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theexplodingcheez (06/01/2012) [-] they sneak-attacked us against all war codes, for practically no valid reason. We gave them many warnings, and they refused to surrender, so we did what we said we would do to stop the war. Some say it actually saved lives.
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N. Korean citizen (06/01/2012) [-]
Hi. I'm posting as anon because I don't know which way the comments can go. But I really think that both sides are wrong. No matter how much warnings America got from Japan about bombing a military base, America still did not deserve the bombing on Pearl Harbor. It killed a lot of people. The Japanese didn't deserve to be nuked. Nobody deserves to be put through that much destruction. But they were warned that we would do that as well. They didn't stop. So we nuked their asses. After that, they still didn't stop. So we nuked their asses again. Then they stopped. And there was no more world war II. And everybody lived happily ever after. The end.
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lolfire ONLINE (06/01/2012) [-] America is like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up."
"I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."
"Pick up the gun."
"Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."
"Pick up the gun."
Boom, boom.
"You all saw him. He had a gun."
"I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."
"Pick up the gun."
"Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."
"Pick up the gun."
Boom, boom.
"You all saw him. He had a gun."
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lolfire ONLINE (05/31/2012) [-] Also supplying weapons and money while America was still officially neutral, yeah, you broke some war laws there. Also, America was warned multiple times by the Japanese that unless the weapons supply was stopped, they would attack an American military base.
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lillpip (05/31/2012) [-] I looked at it, and saw zero hypocrisy.
It's not like I said "THOSE FUCKING CHINK'S DESERVED EVERY LAST ON OF THEIR DEATHS TRYING TO FUCK WITH AMERICA. WE'RE THE BEST FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE THE HATERS CAN SHUT THE FUCK UP." No, I was calm about it, but you're getting analhurt.
It's not like I said "THOSE FUCKING CHINK'S DESERVED EVERY LAST ON OF THEIR DEATHS TRYING TO FUCK WITH AMERICA. WE'RE THE BEST FUCK EVERYBODY ELSE THE HATERS CAN SHUT THE FUCK UP." No, I was calm about it, but you're getting analhurt.
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lillpip (05/31/2012) [-] Not fueled by anger, fueled by reason. Pearl Harbor had zero effect on me, why would I be angry? Also, what's with all the insults? Here I am trying to have a logical conversation, and you're telling me to go read a book, implying i'm stupid, and outright just calling me stupid.
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N. Korean citizen (06/01/2012) [-]
Yeah because the government would let them leave whenever they wanted. It's also not like Japan is an island so they could have just walked off. Japan also wanted to surrender after the first bomb but the civilians forced them to continue because they wanted to get nuked again. Are you seriously retarded?
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lillpip (06/01/2012) [-] Last time I checked, I have a normal number of chromosomes. But there is casualties in war, the nuke was new, America wanted to try it out and saw the opportunity and took it. In my view, 2 nukes was a but much, but they deserved the first one. There are no rules in war, civilians DO die.
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derppopotamus (06/01/2012) [-] i give up your not getting it and its not worth trying
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themisstophat (06/01/2012) [-] Its not just the deaths, its the aftermath that also cause damage. Radiation it released poisoned the land and the people.
They're still affected by it now :/
You had a massive power which you didn't fully understand and it in my opinion was used irresponsibly.
You say it saved lives? Its still giving people cancer today.
They're still affected by it now :/
You had a massive power which you didn't fully understand and it in my opinion was used irresponsibly.
You say it saved lives? Its still giving people cancer today.
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soyouareone (06/01/2012) [-] We had Russia and Britain on our side. In the pacific it was mostly the US. Germany wasn't as dedicated to their country. In battles in the pacific there were mass suicides from soldiers. And Japan citizens were encouraged to commit suicide.
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soyouareone (06/01/2012) [-] We still had a bunch of other countries on our side. And if your talking about WWI don't forget about poisonous gas that other countries used that caused tons of deaths, from other countries, and as far as i know the US didn't use.
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soyouareone (06/01/2012) [-] We told Japan that we had an atomic bomb and we would use it if they didn't surrender. We also told other countries like Britain and Russia that we were going to use the atomic bomb on Japan. And they agreed to let us do that. There were many more brutal things than the bombing.
Nanking Massacre-300,000 casualties on Chinese civilians by Japan.
Holocaust-approx. 6,000,000 deaths on Jews.
Russian Casualties- approx. 17,000,000 for civilians
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki-approx. 254,000
Nanking Massacre-300,000 casualties on Chinese civilians by Japan.
Holocaust-approx. 6,000,000 deaths on Jews.
Russian Casualties- approx. 17,000,000 for civilians
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki-approx. 254,000
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bossdelainternet (05/31/2012) [-] i've never heard anyone complain about it, just morn over loses.
It was war, what else was 'merica supposed to do, they tried negotiations and threats but japan didn't surrender.
Also, you are aware of what the japanese were doing to chinese civilians in china?
It was war, what else was 'merica supposed to do, they tried negotiations and threats but japan didn't surrender.
Also, you are aware of what the japanese were doing to chinese civilians in china?
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mrbull (05/31/2012) [-]
Take reply is for those that are arguing about Pearl Harbour and the two Atomic bombings. Let's look at statistics.
Pearl Harbour
Civilian casualties:
57 killed
35 wounded[4]
Two Atomic bombings.
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Some of them were soldiers, but I'm trying to exclude soldiers in this. Because when it comes down to it, from my opinion, the most important thing to avoid during a war is the injuring and/or killing civilians.
Pearl Harbour
Civilian casualties:
57 killed
35 wounded[4]
Two Atomic bombings.
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Some of them were soldiers, but I'm trying to exclude soldiers in this. Because when it comes down to it, from my opinion, the most important thing to avoid during a war is the injuring and/or killing civilians.
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soyouareone (06/01/2012) [-] Yet Japan killed millions of Chinese civilians including babies in gruesome ways. They had contests to see how many civilians they could kill. And some reports say that officers would throw babies up into the air and catch them with their bayonets.
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N. Korean citizen (05/31/2012) [-] Same Anon here! I know about other events to... Seriously. What I meant there was the Pearl Harbor event. What I meant in the comment was that their main target was the military while Americas was civilians. Has in America got butthurt and started threatening to hurt civilians. Im not talking about other war/events!!!! I have read enough to know the japanese people can be scary son of a bitches and heartless. The only other excuses America had was that the people of Japan stood strong and proud with their leaders and would never surrender. America could have...I dont know... Attack and weaken the fucking military? But hey I dont know... Im just an Anon.
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soyouareone (06/01/2012) [-] Japan would never give up. They would rather kill themselves then suffer defeat. That tells you a lot. So who knows civilians can easily pick up a gun and shoot at people. And who's to say that Japan wouldn't arm their civilians to fight
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pedroparra (05/31/2012) [-] have you heard of the chinese holocaust? I recommend you look it up.
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therealmclovin (05/31/2012) [-]
We didn't warn Japan about the atomic bombing on Hiroshima. But we did on the second bomb site. Except we didn't warn Nagasaki we warned a military base (which was our second intended target) but the sky was too cloudy to drop it on said military base so we just dropped it on Nagasaki.
After studying the bombings quite extensively I do believe they deserved it. They wouldn't surrender and if we went to war with them we estimated we would've had well over 100,000 American casualties.
After studying the bombings quite extensively I do believe they deserved it. They wouldn't surrender and if we went to war with them we estimated we would've had well over 100,000 American casualties.
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therealmclovin (05/31/2012) [-]
I said well over 100,000. It could've been more but the speculations tend to be at well over 100,000. We did it for the good of the United States, because maybe if we went to war 500,000 of us would have died and we would have lost Hawaii. It was too risky to do anything but drop the atomic bomb on them. We got what we wanted, did we not?
Also since we were the first to use it, it put in place that using an atomic bomb is extremely catastrophic and some historians believe for that reason Hitler never used it on England.
Also since we were the first to use it, it put in place that using an atomic bomb is extremely catastrophic and some historians believe for that reason Hitler never used it on England.
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brtaylorgang (05/31/2012) [-] Actually from what i studied an invasion of Japan would have resulted in a million Japanese casualties and a million American casualties. By invading Japan we would have delayed the ending of the war and cause more Japanese and American deaths.
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N. Korean citizen (05/31/2012) [-]
They were given the chance to surrender.
What I love is how stupid ignorant people don't realize one thing: IF WE DIDN'T DROP THE NUKE, EVENTUALLY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE ON US.
Fucking stupid people need to understand the realistic aspect of it. Stop pretending to be some internet humanitarian you cunts.
ALSO Those nukes weren't payback for pearl harbor you fucking idiots they were to end Japan's power and send a message. We joined the war and found against Japan since they attacked us. Comparing the A/H-bombs and Pearl harbor is just fucking dumb
What I love is how stupid ignorant people don't realize one thing: IF WE DIDN'T DROP THE NUKE, EVENTUALLY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE ON US.
Fucking stupid people need to understand the realistic aspect of it. Stop pretending to be some internet humanitarian you cunts.
ALSO Those nukes weren't payback for pearl harbor you fucking idiots they were to end Japan's power and send a message. We joined the war and found against Japan since they attacked us. Comparing the A/H-bombs and Pearl harbor is just fucking dumb
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snakebelmont (05/31/2012) [-] Actually if they had the tech to drop a nuke why wouldn't they react after the first nuke by firing their own, instead of continuing to fight, The first nuke was to stop japan from fighting, without the second nuke japan would not have stopped fighting.
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N. Korean citizen (05/31/2012) [-]
You missed the point. Nazi's were developing tech, we beat them there. It was possible Japan had prototypes and it is true that they were researching it. So if we didn't attack them and strike first, I say first because they attack pearl Harbor, they didn't attack America (If you know what I mean).
THey would have eventually researched it, since the stalemate battlefeilds would have remained stalemated. And could of gotten it.
The purpose of the Nuke was to send a message that we will beat them and they need to surrender. They were warned. You gotta realize in war, you attack cities. We bombed the fuck outa Berlin and Germany, however dropping a nuke on hiroshima is out of line? Germany was going to bomb Manhattan, if they continued to do good. You just don't understand common war strategy or politics. Big decisions must be made against the few to save the many.
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THey would have eventually researched it, since the stalemate battlefeilds would have remained stalemated. And could of gotten it.
The purpose of the Nuke was to send a message that we will beat them and they need to surrender. They were warned. You gotta realize in war, you attack cities. We bombed the fuck outa Berlin and Germany, however dropping a nuke on hiroshima is out of line? Germany was going to bomb Manhattan, if they continued to do good. You just don't understand common war strategy or politics. Big decisions must be made against the few to save the many.
--Owned by anon,
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snakebelmont (05/31/2012) [-] Actually the war was going on longer than it should have because america was selling weapons to both sides to make money. A nuke is out of the question because of the everlasting effects, a whole patch of land is gone. I don't believe that germany would have bombed america, with an multiple countrys surrounding germany that were more of a threat.
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baconmaybebacon (05/31/2012) [-]
I agree it was necessary for a nuke do be dropped but it's kind of fucking low to hit a city and not a military installment. And for fucks sake if you're going to do it do it right hit tokyo if you're going to bring civilians into the war like a little bitch.
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bossdelainternet (05/31/2012) [-] Unit 731. Japan invaded China and brutally slaughtered or performed morbid experiments on over 20 million Chinese and Russian civilians. Japan was playing dirty before The United States was even bought into the war.
I'm sorry if you're Japanese, I'm not saying Japanese are evil.
I'm sorry if you're Japanese, I'm not saying Japanese are evil.
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Chuckaholic (05/31/2012) [-] That doesn't justify it. Do you commit genocide on innocent germans because of what the third Reich did? Of course not. Yes the japanese military was savage but that shouldn't justify the death of thousands of innocent civillians.
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Chuckaholic (05/31/2012) [-] So murdering innocent german civillians during the second world war is justifiable because of the holocaust. You're fucked up. The civillians did nothing in the holocaust yet you think it' okay to kill millions, that puts you on their level.
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bossdelainternet (05/31/2012) [-] It's a war, nations bomb other nations to force them into submission all the time. It just so happened that the US invented a new type of bomb to force their enemy into submission. What the United states did on the 6th and 9th of August 1945 was completely necessary.
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Chuckaholic (05/31/2012) [-] I was saying you can't justify it by stating that the japanese did horrid things, you have to justify it on other terms, I'm not saying it wasn't necessary, I'm saying that the japanese had fucked up experiments in other countries doesn't justify it.
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bossdelainternet (06/01/2012) [-] It's true. You cannot justify the killing of tens of thousands of people in any way. But we need to realize that it was completely necessary. The Manhattan project was the only solution to the persistent Japanese.
Btw, do people hate americans? it seems everyone on this site goes out of their way to make them look like ignorant war mongering pigs.
Btw, do people hate americans? it seems everyone on this site goes out of their way to make them look like ignorant war mongering pigs.
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Chuckaholic (06/01/2012) [-] I don't know. I think the bombs were necessary just that the justification you used at first was not valid. It potentially prevented more deaths although those figures are guesstimates. I think that people like to pick on other countries and as there are a lot of Americans it's funny for some people. I mean I laugh at jokes against my own country but some people are stupid or seriously misinformed.
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RequieminMortis (05/31/2012) [-] > implying that the nukes were our revenge for Pearl Harbor, and not the Doolittle Raid
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RequieminMortis (05/31/2012) [-] By 1945, the U.S. was beyond the "let's get revenge for Pearl Harbor" stage and was just trying to get the war over with as quickly as possible. The nukes were part of that decision, because the alternative was an invasion that would've extended the war for another year or two and would have caused tens of millions of casualties.
The Doolittle Raid was our revenge for Pearl Harbor, and it was also our way of showing Japan that they weren't as invincible as they thought they were. The people today who claim we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki as revenge for Pearl Harbor are either uninformed about history, or are just plain idiots.
The Doolittle Raid was our revenge for Pearl Harbor, and it was also our way of showing Japan that they weren't as invincible as they thought they were. The people today who claim we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki as revenge for Pearl Harbor are either uninformed about history, or are just plain idiots.
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herecomesjohnny ONLINE (05/31/2012) [-] I saw your comment, then i saw the shitload of purple lines. I love Americans.
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ivoryhammer (05/31/2012) [-] Oh this argument again. Pearl harbour was an unanticipated attack before the war between America and Japan started. The nukes were dropped on Japan to save more lives on both sides because Japan stated they would never we surrendered. And America warned Japan what was going to happen.
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RAMSAYER (05/31/2012) [-] You obviopusly don't know how many people we killed because of the A-Bombs. The death toll for Pearl Harbor was about 2400. The estimated Death Toll when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagisaki was 225,000. Not to mention our firebombing, which was worse than the A-bombs. We Americans were real asses in WWII.
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herecomesjohnny ONLINE (05/31/2012) [-] 300 000 people largely if you count the mutant babies and cancer pplz
