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#9 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
Except you missed the little bit where Noah warned everyone and they didn't listen.
Except you missed the little bit where Noah warned everyone and they didn't listen.
#751 to #9 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
Well, I've read all the arguments against you, and there have been only two, really flawed arguments. The first being that no one would believe Noah, and the second that Noah never existed in the first place. Let's just make the assumption that the bible's god existed and the Noah event occurred. The god in the bible is all knowing, meaning he told Noah that this would happen, knowing that no one would believe him. There were much more efficient ways of doing this if he intended to save everyone, but he purposely executed a flawed plan so that everyone aside from Noah and his family would die.
User avatar #755 to #751 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
You must've read them at the wrong time, because the comment right below asked that same question.
#761 to #755 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
I apologize, I must have thought it was the end of the thread before that comment. I saw it after I posted this. However, I don't think your response really resolves the issue. He still did this knowing that no one would listen. He could have done it in a variety of other ways to save more people, but he purposely did it knowing that everyone would die. This is like releasing a virus that would infect everyone on the planet so that they have a chance to survive, but you know that they won't. Later you tell everyone that it's perfectly fine that you did it, because they still had that chance.
#778 to #761 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
In fact, there were a variety of other solutions to the problem as well, instead of just killing everyone. However, he decided that it would be best to kill everyone because the world didn't turn out the way he wanted it, even though he knew before hand that this would be the outcome. He doesn't seem like such a loving god when his only choice is to kill the entire population except one family because he created an imperfect world.
User avatar #806 to #778 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
The only other options I can think of would be to have flooded the world without warning anyone, or to let the guilty and unrighteous go on living. Unless you mean taking away their free will and turning them good, but that could arguably be worse...

Also, I don't understand your point about the virus, can you clarify?
#810 to #806 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
My point with the virus was a comparison. If a human had done the same thing, creating a situation in which everyone had a chance to survive, but he knew before hand that no one would, people would call this man evil. If civilization was rebuilt, and the event was remembered, he would probably go down as the most evil person in history. However, a god does it, and it's okay? I'm not convinced that an all knowing, all powerful god couldn't come up with a solution that worked. I'd also like to argue that being all knowing, he created the world knowing that this situation would happen. He created the world knowing he would kill everyone, he couldn't do something before these events to prevent the need to kill everyone?
User avatar #811 to #810 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Well then the only option would be to create everything perfectly. But that's not what God wants, he wants to give mankind a choice whether or not to believe and serve him.

The case with the virus is different because the guy did it just because. And even if he did it to get people to serve him, he's only human and as such wouldn't merit the position.

In order to give man a choice, God had to give man imperfection.
#812 to #811 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
There was quite a bit of time between the creation of man, and the flood. Even changing small things could have impacted the outcome. I'm sure that there would have been a way to prevent as much corruption. Also, I want to expand on my virus idea. Let's say he does it because he thinks everyone on the planet, excluding the family he lets live, is tainted. That gives him the exact same motive, and solution as god. He would then be labeled as insane, and evil, yet god gets this get out of jail free card. I also believe that an all loving god wouldn't force people to serve him. If they lived good lives, and he was a just god that should be enough. Yet he seems to have the ego of a teenage girl, making everyone worship him, or they are tortured forever. Which on it's own seems like the worst solution to a very small problem. I don't entirely understand why a god should get his own special pedestal of morality that can't be touched. As for your last statement, I've seen this argument a ridiculously large amount of times. I think an all powerful god could create a world with free will, but the choices would not cause suffering in any way. There would still be decisions and free will, but every decision would be completely harmless, meaning no suffering aside from anything he causes.
User avatar #813 to #812 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
1. It depends on if the people were tainted or not. If they were and they presented a threat to the future of the human race, he could be labeled as a hero instead.

2. The flood was also symbollic. You have to admit the parallels between today and then for Christians is strikingly similar. People committing evil everywhere, the Christians promising a way out but being turned away by many. The only real differences are the ratio of believers and nonbelievers and that it's eternal death and not a flood.

3. Actually, the belief that atheists burn in Hell forever is a misconception. It does say the fires of Hell are eternal, and that Satan will burn in it forever, but it also says that humans will face "eternal death" (ex. Acts 20:26), and not eternal pain. Really, it's a win-win situation I guess, since Christians and the others that satisfy the criteria to get into the New Jerusalem will live with an eternity of happiness, while everyone else just vanishes, just like you believe. At least that's what I understood.

I'm gonna have to go to bed. It's late here in France. I'd appreciate it if we could wrap this up soon. I've been debating for several days now and it's wearing me out.
#816 to #813 - kdeastab ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
The people during Noah's time weren't labeled as evil though. It says that they were wicked in gods eyes. They could probably be seen as good people in today's world considering a lot of the old testament laws. However, because they didn't do specifically what he wanted, they deserved to die? There is always evil, but there are also a lot more good. Many people love this world, and the way it is. By a way out I assume you mean the rapture. Those people lose the place they call their home, even if they've only been there for a few years and still had many more years to be there. Many people believe that atheists suffer as well, but that's sort of irrelevant to your point, but I still thought it would be important. I don't want to get into whether it should be believed or not, but there should be no punishment of any kind for not believing. That's a very trivial thing, and seems childish to give any sort of punishment for it. I'm sorry for dragging this on, but I feel theological debates are important, at the very least to lessen any ignorance I have. I'd gladly end this with your next comment, and I'd like to say that I enjoyed it, especially how well you handled it after the other flood of comments.
User avatar #831 to #816 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
Thank you. Yes, your debating is much more enjoyable than that of some of the other atheists on this thread.

1. Genesis 5:11-12 "An the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth." This is saying that all of mankind had become corrupt and evil.

2. Not necessarily just the rapture, there's the end of the world afterwards. Losing this world would be a trivial thing, really. We get the Millennial Kingdom and the New Jerusalem which will be much better.

3. But like I said before, if there is no punishment, then the bad people get off lightly. That would be like having no laws, only guidelines that you're fine ignoring.
#659 to #9 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
Implying that a single man warning everyone makes flooding the world okay.
Who would have believed a man in this deceitful world?
Wouldn't this God have known that no one would believe him?
And yet he flooded the world anyways.
Because he didn't like it.
#670 to #659 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Could people PLEASE read the comments to find out what issues have already been resolved before starting another debate?
#677 to #670 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
I went through them. All I saw was you saying was how you would believe it if two animals of every kind weren't eating each other and a bunch of people randomly insulting you.
What I'm arguing is that God would have known no one would believe, and flooded the world anyways. (The whole "God has plan for everything" thing) The warning wasn't of any help, and God knew that. That makes him cruel, at least, by most ethical standards.
Well, that's what I got from it anyways. Could you say the post # where you covered that, if I missed it?
User avatar #701 to #677 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Oh, my bad. I misunderstood your question.

Well, the issue with that is that knowing they wouldn't believe really wouldn't make a difference, since it doesn't change the outcome. God still gave them the choice because he doesn't take away man's free will.
#554 to #9 - cuzzer (05/22/2012) [-]
well, Hitler wrote an entire book about what horrible things he would do once he is in charge, like killing jews and such. Many people bought and read the book, but everybody thought something like what he described couldn't actually happen.
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User avatar #557 to #555 - cuzzer (05/22/2012) [-]
Hitler warned everyone aswell
User avatar #558 to #557 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
And? That really doesn't contribute to either argument.
User avatar #565 to #558 - cuzzer (05/22/2012) [-]
you said: ''Except you missed the little bit where Noah warned everyone and they didn't listen.''

so the people were warned but didn't listen.

Same thing with Hitler: everyone has been warned but noone listened.
User avatar #567 to #565 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Ah, ok, that makes sense.

I thought you were trying to validate the picture.
User avatar #423 to #9 - debee (05/22/2012) [-]
I think you missed the little bit where Noah didn't exist.
#427 to #423 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
That's not an argument, that's being a self-righteous asshole. Come back when you're ready to be civilized.
#363 to #9 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
Oh yeah, you're right. Since one random guy warned them, it totally makes it okay for them all to die. Like if some German officer warned the jews, it would have completely justifiable; Hitlers actions.
Oh yeah, you're right. Since one random guy warned them, it totally makes it okay for them all to die. Like if some German officer warned the jews, it would have completely justifiable; Hitlers actions.
User avatar #365 to #363 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Read the comments below before replying, please.
#373 to #365 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
When there's like 30+ of them.
When there's like 30+ of them.
User avatar #381 to #373 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
It's the one right under this one.
#396 to #381 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
Yes, because a single old man building a colossal 						*******					 boat and filling it with 2 of every single animal in existence at the time, because a great flood from out of 						*******					 nowhere is going to kill everything, sounds just as likely as The Fuhrer of Germany wanting to wage war against the world and kill the jews because he doesn't like them.
Yes, because a single old man building a colossal ******* boat and filling it with 2 of every single animal in existence at the time, because a great flood from out of ******* nowhere is going to kill everything, sounds just as likely as The Fuhrer of Germany wanting to wage war against the world and kill the jews because he doesn't like them.
User avatar #409 to #396 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Didn't you read what I said?

Two of every. Animal. In. Existence. Not trying to eat each other. If I saw a miracle like that, I, personally, would believe it.
User avatar #414 to #409 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
Yeah IF you saw it, but you didn't, and you wouldn't even if you were there. Because it never happened.
#419 to #414 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Oh man, you too? The guy in the other thread that I was debating with said almost the exact same thing! You anti-religious-Nazis are all the same... No pun intended.
#428 to #419 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
If I was a Nazi, I wouldn't be anti-religious. That's like saying you can be a member of PETA as long as you only eat one kind of meat.
#432 to #428 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I didn't LITERALLY mean Nazis, I mean people like you that are so determined to get the better of theists that you practically get fascist about it.
#469 to #432 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
I'm not being a fascist. At least I'm not trying to be, but I see how you could see me as such. I feel like, sure, you believe whatever you want, but don't try to deny logical arguments and facts. I also might have said some typical 						****					 like "don't shove your religion down our throats" But in this case, it's OP's fault for bringing this 						****					 up to begin with, causing you to defend you beliefs, causing me to put them down. So basically, it's OP's fault and everyone should be mad at him and either   A) thumb this post down.  Or   B) Laugh, thumb, shut the 						****					 up and don't get offended. That's the problem today. No one can respect each others beliefs and just move along, people have to get act like little pussies and get offended if someone says something that's not considered "Politically correct". With that said, I won't try to talk down on your beliefs any further, instead I will say this. Have a nice day Mr./Ms. Thiest, and enjoy your browsing of our funnyjunk community, and for the love of god (wink wink), let's just 						*******					 coexist. (pardon any grammatical/spelling mistakes, I don't feel like proof reading that 						****					.)
I'm not being a fascist. At least I'm not trying to be, but I see how you could see me as such. I feel like, sure, you believe whatever you want, but don't try to deny logical arguments and facts. I also might have said some typical **** like "don't shove your religion down our throats" But in this case, it's OP's fault for bringing this **** up to begin with, causing you to defend you beliefs, causing me to put them down. So basically, it's OP's fault and everyone should be mad at him and either A) thumb this post down. Or B) Laugh, thumb, shut the **** up and don't get offended. That's the problem today. No one can respect each others beliefs and just move along, people have to get act like little pussies and get offended if someone says something that's not considered "Politically correct". With that said, I won't try to talk down on your beliefs any further, instead I will say this. Have a nice day Mr./Ms. Thiest, and enjoy your browsing of our funnyjunk community, and for the love of god (wink wink), let's just ******* coexist. (pardon any grammatical/spelling mistakes, I don't feel like proof reading that **** .)
User avatar #520 to #469 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Well... that was a rather dramatic transformation. But I agree wholeheartedly (except that I didn't find the post funny). Good day!
#294 to #9 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Would you listen to some dude if he told you to get in a big wooden boat with hundreds of animals because he said there was a big flood coming? no didn't think so
#390 to #294 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
Probably, if I was a god-fearing, primitive idiot from over 2000 years ago.
Probably, if I was a god-fearing, primitive idiot from over 2000 years ago.
#395 to #390 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Clearly not since they didnt listen to noah
User avatar #399 to #395 - bitey (05/22/2012) [-]
They didn't listen to Noah because it never happened.
#403 to #399 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Thats the point im proving. Either god is worse than hitler or doesn't exist.
Relifags cant handle logic
#529 to #403 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
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You dare say that as theists defend their beliefs with logic all around you?

You're the worst.
#788 to #529 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
They dont use logic they say things like but noah could command animals because god let him hurr hurr
User avatar #804 to #788 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I said "appeared" to control animals, you...

And if you can't recognize any logic in the arguments that theists in this thread present, then you clearly don't belong here.
#828 to #804 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
How do you "appear" to contol animals. i asked why god can do **** like that.
Why did he only tell noah? because it didn't happen. It rains for 40 days at a time in ireland and doesn't flood
User avatar #829 to #828 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
He appeared to control them because God made them flock to him in pairs and didn't try to eat each other or fight.

God can do " **** like that" because he's God. He only told Noah because he was the only man who found favor in the eyes of God.

It flooded because of a miracle, not simply because it rained.
#834 to #829 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
So murdering everyone on earth is a "miracle"? I gotta say, that sounds like nazi speak....Also if only noah was on the boat how did he repopulate?
User avatar #835 to #834 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
"Miracle" is a word generally used by Christians to denote something unnatural that God made happen. Its use in today's society has given it a positive connotation, though it's actually a neutral word.
#837 to #835 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
OK...but what about my question about repopulation
User avatar #838 to #837 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
Oh, forgot about that.

Noah's family heeded his warnings and came with him on the boat. And were the only ones to do so.
#839 to #838 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
Then they would be inbred and have birth defects
#840 to #839 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
This was, what, 10 generations after Adam and Eve? Adam and Eve were created to be physically perfect. Birth defects wouldn't even have been a problem until generations later.
#842 to #840 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
They would have been the only people. So everone Ever would have the same DNA and birth defects would happen in regular births all the time today and incest today would not be a problem if what you say is true
User avatar #843 to #842 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
No, it would. It's been thousands of years since Noah. In that time, genetic variation would have drifted farther, thus making inbreeding liable to create birth defect.

I don't think you understand how exactly inbreeding causes birth defect (note, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, that's just what I understand). Inbreeding means that the DNA of the parents is similar, including recessive genes that could cause birth defects such as mental retardation. These recessive genes wouldn't have been an issue because they wouldn't have had time to develop to that point.
#852 to #843 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
Im basing my answer off history in general. Your being a tard
#853 to #852 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
What part of "historical records don't go that far back" don't you get? All we have is archaeology and holy books.
#850 to #843 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
Historical fact says that. Simple as..FACT
User avatar #851 to #850 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
We don't have historical records of people's lifespans that far back. What you're basing your answer off of is likely the Medieval period, which was renowned for having some of the worst medical development of any time period.
#848 to #843 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
Peoples lifespans where MUCH MUCH MUCH shorter back then you retard.
A 50 year old then was like a 100 year old today
User avatar #849 to #848 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
Not according to the Bible... And we kinda are debating about a Bible story here...
#846 to #843 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
ok. How did one family repopulate to 6 billion people over jjust a few thousand years?
User avatar #847 to #846 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
Exponential curves, bro. As more people were born, those people had more children. Also, people's lifespans were much longer back then, allowing them to easily have a dozen children.
User avatar #337 to #294 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Would you listen to a man that appeared to be able to control the will of animals? I dunno, personally if I saw that then I might start to pay a little more attention...
#341 to #337 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
I'm pretty sure he couldn't control the will of animals. If he could then why not make the animals herd the people onto the boat?

Also animals can be tamed and i wouldnt put something like that past a crazy guy who things theres gonna be a big flood.

If god could warn him about the flood why not warn everyone.

Also if only a few people were on the boat and the rest of the world died, Then we are all born from incest and the bible says incest is wrong. Explain that
User avatar #364 to #341 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
1. Two of every kind of animal would be tough to train.

2. The rules on incest were only imposed in Moses' time.
#369 to #364 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
If god gave him power to tame animals why not the power to have people believe him?

Rules on incest are still in the bible and LAW. Hence christianity shoudl be illegal because if its true then everyone is commiting incest
#378 to #369 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
The Bible DOES say that incest is bad, it just wasn't imposed until generations later. And it only counts as incest if the people grew up as brothers and sisters. Plus, if your argument was justified then it would be even worse with science, since it says we all came from the first cell. Going by your logic, then even bestiality would be considered incest!
The Bible DOES say that incest is bad, it just wasn't imposed until generations later. And it only counts as incest if the people grew up as brothers and sisters. Plus, if your argument was justified then it would be even worse with science, since it says we all came from the first cell. Going by your logic, then even bestiality would be considered incest!
#398 to #378 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Dont quote science if you dont understand it fully. Your just butthurt cos god isnt real
#429 to #398 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
So just because I'm a Christian, that means I don't understand science? I STUDIED the origin of species and evolution, buddy! I know what I'm talking about, and like it or not, your argument is flawed.
#789 to #429 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Either your ************ or you haven't read the bible
#803 to #789 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
You're not worth my time.
You're not worth my time.
#830 to #803 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
haha butthurt much?
if im not worth you're time then why correct me or write that? haha there is no god or he shall strike me down before i post this.
See look i posted it and god didn't do **** because he doesn't exist
#832 to #830 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
We shall see in due time. We shall see.
#833 to #832 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
no we shall not xD . Saying god is real because the bible says so is like fearing voldemort because i read harry potter and he might kill me with a spell. Tell me how that is any different and i will cease to argue with you're beliefs any longer
User avatar #836 to #833 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
1. Harry Potter openly states that it is a work of fiction.
2. The Bible has been proven to have been written over thousands of years. And yet somehow, the writings of these men (many of which hadn't even read each others' parts) manage to correspond and complement each others' exactly.
3. Many of the events of the Bible can actually be proven via geological, philological and historical records.
4. I even the fact that so many people like you so vehemently oppose the Bible without any real reason to to be evidence towards it. After all...
5. Many of the prophecies outlined in the Bible had been shown to be coming true. The Bible describes todays' atheists perfectly, and also says that people will begin to hate Israel. Not to mention the unexplained increase in natural disasters in recent years.
6. And finally there's my own personal feelings. I feel in my heart that God is real and that I have felt his presence. I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but it means everything to me.

Now I'm done.
#841 to #836 - blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
1. Harry potter in no place states it is a work of fiction, not to mention wizards are never seen by muggles.
2.The bible is just a compilation of stories, it doesn't exactly correspond
3. They have not been proven only shown to have possibly happened
4. Our evidence for not following it is that people have worshipped all kinds of crap in the past like the sun. 2000 years ago they didn't have scientists or machines that can do what we do now and there has been no "miracles" since cameras were invented.
5.Nostre damus. That is all, he has predicted **** that came true after he died. Does that make him god?
6.There are people in insane asylums who hear and see people who aren't there. Can you really say they deserver to be there since you have a similar situation with "God"
User avatar #844 to #841 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
1. Okay, but Rowling has said it.
2. Yes it does. Take the book of Job, for example, the first book to have been written, which can only be truly understood if you read the Gospels of Paul, which are the last.
3. Geological records point to a massive flood thousands of years ago. Historical records show that figures such as Joseph, Moses and Jesus were real and that people had actually seen them in person. Philological records trace all languages back to the Middle East.
4. I'm not talking about you not following it. I'm talking about you being so offensive against it. You actually go out of your way to try and talk believers such as myself out of believing.
5. No, just good at predicting. But the Bible predicted things thousands of years in the future strikingly accurately. I know this isn't proof, but it's evidence, and also a difference from Harry Potter.
6. Depends how bad it is. If they aren't a danger to society, then I think they're being treated too extremely. There are also millions of people who claim to have felt the same thing I have. It's my own proof, and it's up to you whether or not you believe in it.
7. Additionally, there's the sheer depth of the Bible. If you read the Recovery Version, you realize it's so much more than just a story. Meanwhile, Harry Potter is exactly that. A story.
8. People have been martyred for believing in the Bible, and yet they still continued to believe. Watchman Nee and Witness Lee dedicated every free moment of their lives to the Bible. I don't believe that kind of faith could exist if God were not there to stir up their spirits.

I have more.
User avatar #815 to #803 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Also, YOU'RE*.
#293 to #9 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Hitler also warned everyone, but they didn't convert to christianity and nazi-ism
User avatar #333 to #293 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
That's because of the ethical implications. There's a huge difference between fascism and hiding in a boat.
#339 to #333 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Well i doubt you would get into a boat with a (seemingly) crazy guy and his hundreds of animals he has to "save". In short Hitler killed people who defied him. God killed people who didnt believe some guy who said "OMG THERES GONNA BE A BIG FLOOD FOR 40 DAYS GET ON THE BOAT" in a countly like israel(im not entirely sure) where it rains like once a decade.

Hitler killed people who didnt join him, he gave them a chance.
God killed innocents because they didnt believe a random guy who said the world would end.

In this case GOD would be Worse than hitler, but God couldnt be, because he doesn't exist
User avatar #370 to #339 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Just follow my other argument on this thread, I already answered your issues.
#375 to #370 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
And that still doesn't prove there would be a flood. Even if that was the case, god murdered everyone and the bible says that is wrong. God is a hypocritical wanker
#382 to #375 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
You haven't paid attention to ANYTHING I've said, have you?
You haven't paid attention to ANYTHING I've said, have you?
#397 to #382 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
I have, but relifags like you don't listen to logic
#400 to #397 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Arguments are replaced with insults. This is when I know the debate is over.
Arguments are replaced with insults. This is when I know the debate is over.
#805 to #400 - tbhp (05/22/2012) [-]
the only problem is that you dont come with any arguments, you come with excuses, and you are too stupid to understand it.
#807 to #805 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I prefer the term "explanations". Also, I was referring to my opponents' "arguments" becoming insults, not mine. And looky what just happened! You insulted me too! I'm going to ignore any further replies to my comments that include insults.
I prefer the term "explanations". Also, I was referring to my opponents' "arguments" becoming insults, not mine. And looky what just happened! You insulted me too! I'm going to ignore any further replies to my comments that include insults.
#808 to #807 - tbhp (05/22/2012) [-]
i insulted you too, oh my is poor little boy sad now buhu, welcome to the ******* internett ****** faggot, i give a pure **** about your feelings.

the only thing that makes me mad is the fact that you say you are "outa this debate" after every ******* comment, you try and explain **** ?
you say to read your other answer? you havent answered anything because you dont know the ******* meaning of the word answer, it needs to be backed up by a liable source, and your hippie ******* zen moments with god dont do **** for an answer.
#401 to #400 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
How is a wizard creating everything ever logic?
User avatar #407 to #401 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
It's not. It's faith.

Debate about just about anything and I'll use logic, but when it comes to God's existence itself, there's no way to debate about it. And last time I checked- know what? I'm ending this conversation. See ya!
#411 to #407 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Last time i check there was no god.
If you read the bible you would know its full of contradictions.
Faith is ignorance, believing a 2000 year old book instead of people who work constantly to figue out how the world works
User avatar #422 to #411 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I was born into a Christian home. Until a few years ago, I never really questioned anything, I just went with the flow. Then I went to a Christian conference in Poland, where I got baptized and really became a Christian. After that, I started debating on Youtube and FunnyJunk. I spent 4 months. 4. MONTHS. Debating every day. Some good questions were raised that made me question God, but EVERY time I asked my father (my biological father, that is) about these issues, I received a satisfactory answer (with a few exceptions that I found an answer to online). I've questioned my God more than even some atheists, and I'm still a Christian. I've debated with more atheists than almost all other Christians I know personally.

Which brings me to my point: If God made any mistakes, I would know about it. And if I knew about it, then I wouldn't be a Christian. So stop wasting your time trying to convince me I'm wrong, because God is my father and savior, and nothing you or anyone else can say will convince me otherwise, because it's the Truth.

I'm done here. God save you.
#790 to #422 - blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
You're worse than other relifags... If you were born into a religion you were probably brainwashed or abused because kids will accept whatever adults say as fact. If your parents made you be christian then, you probably have a warped mind that wont accept logic because a wizard did it
#802 to #790 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
You amuse me. Really, you do. I've debated with dozens of atheists and so far, you're the worst. You probably read the first sentence of that post I worked so hard on before making that comment.   
   
You're an embarrassment to other atheists. I'm just saving them the trouble of saying it.
You amuse me. Really, you do. I've debated with dozens of atheists and so far, you're the worst. You probably read the first sentence of that post I worked so hard on before making that comment.

You're an embarrassment to other atheists. I'm just saving them the trouble of saying it.
User avatar #584 to #422 - snappywilliams (05/22/2012) [-]
If i could i wouldve thumbed you a million times
User avatar #270 to #9 - glasgowrangers (05/22/2012) [-]
Hitler wrote a book warning people
#52 to #9 - fuckdapolice (05/22/2012) [-]
I read this part of the Old Testament so I know what I'm saying, God wanted to drown everyone originally but someone convinced him to save all of the good people on the world, which Noah and his family were the only ones, and they took 2 of every animal etc. So, Noah didn't warn anyone except his family.
#595 to #52 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
tldr this entire thread, bitch
User avatar #49 to #9 - demandsgayversion ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
What if Hitler told a sheep herder and nobody else that he was gonna gas the jews and that he should warn people? That's how ridiculous you sound.
#210 to #49 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
There's a SLIIIIIGHT difference between a sheep herder and EVERY PERSON ON EARTH.
There's a SLIIIIIGHT difference between a sheep herder and EVERY PERSON ON EARTH.
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User avatar #40 to #9 - Accidentalninja (05/21/2012) [-]
Would you have listened?
Honestly.
User avatar #56 to #40 - Namezone ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-]
that's WHY he was the only one. Noah was warned it would happen in a hundred years, he was spreading the word and building a GIGANTIC boat. there was warning, nobody listened.
User avatar #116 to #56 - thephantur (05/22/2012) [-]
If some bearded guy came up to you and said:
"Yo, tell yo kids to tell their kids to build boats because your loving god, the god who loves you as his children, is going to drown everyone on earth... yeah..."

No, I'd lock my doors and call the police.
User avatar #338 to #116 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
And then two of every animal on earth showed up and didn't start eating each other and obeyed him. Not a sight you'd see every day.
#470 to #338 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
Not everyone was living in one single concentrated camp, don't be that stupid. We've seen humans remains in America dating thousands of years ago. Face the fact, if Noah truly existed, he had no way to communicate with the whole Earth and not everyone was going to be able to see animals lining up. Also, it's kinda cute that you think humans all spoke the same language. I live on a small island and people living in different towns even have the same words that mean different things. That's how languages are born. Also, if you say you're so tired about debating then why the **** do you even start something like this? Does it burn inside you when you aren't able to give a smartass response to contents like this? "Yeah! I'll make atheists look stupid! justice!" and then "meh, I'm tired of responding and debating, jackass over and out"
User avatar #507 to #470 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I know how languages are born, but this was before the Tower of Babel incident, so they at least would have been similar enough for them to understand each other. And really, this wasn't that many generations after Adam.

I debate because I can't STAND hearing an atheist say "relifags can't use logic". It just burns me up, so i have to step up and show them they're wrong. And I get sick of debating because 99% of my debates end with the atheist insulting me. Oh look at that, that's what's happening now. Looks like this debate's over.
#528 to #507 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
How do you expect people not to criticize you when you're insulting real world logic and using the bible as a history lesson, I'm guessing you believe the earth really is 6 thousand years old. Also, it seems atheists aren't the only one that insults people "That's not an argument, that's being a self-righteous asshole". You're giving smartass responses and you expect people to take things lightly? Of course not. There's no proof that the tower of babel even existed so I prefer using "logic" with evidence. We've built much larger structures than the tower of babel and we haven't been scolded by "god". I guess I understand why it burns you up though, but using bible logic is a big no no when you're trying to defend something with absolutely no proof (like the tower of babel incident).
#535 to #528 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
1. We're talking about something Biblical here. If you want to talk about the validity of what we're debating about, that's another debate entirely.
2. No, I believe it's millions of years old.
3. Christians get pushed over the edge, too. Best way to make an asshole realize he's an asshole? Tell him he's an asshole.
4. Do you honestly think that God destroyed the tower of Babel uniquely because it was so tall? Because He didn't.
5. I wasn't defending its validity in the first place! Stay on-topic before trying to be smart!
#545 to #535 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
1. So you agree that there is no validity in anything related to the bible, that's good.
2. So you don't believe everything religion tells you then, isn't that being a hypocrite? you should believe the universe rotates around the earth!
3. So it's okay when christians are assholes? what happened to "love thy neighbor"? or what about "turn the other cheek"? Isn't it best to try and represent what christian beliefs shows you?
4. He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens, which in reality means that they were trying to make a really big ass building (in those times at least) and some people saw it as an evil thing and probably the building collapsed because they weren't very good builders back then and people invented the towel of babel story.

#549 to #545 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
1. Oh, okay. I didn't realize you were DELIBERATELY not understanding what I meant.
2. No, I simply pay attention to Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, which have no time stamp on them. There's also the little tidbit that a day in God's eyes could be millions of years in ours.
3. I hope you realized I could have been a LOT more scathing with my last reply. The thing is, you people never learn when I don't get angry.
4. Bet you didn't know that every single stone in the tower was said to bear the name of an idol. And did you seriously just imply that the people who build buildings like the World Trade Center were trying to reach the heavens? Honestly, if you atheists read each others' debates, you would realize you're hardly any better than the religious people you base your stereotypes off of.
#564 to #549 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
1. Kay, thanks for not answering and evading the subject here.
2. One day being 1 million years would not make sense either with the fact that there was no sun when he created the plants. Also the fact that he is ******* god and he can do it in less than 1 second, what a stupid argument
3. So you're saying it's okay for christians to insult others because it could "have been worse". Very christian-like of you
4. No, you're just putting things into my mouth because you want to make my statements sound bad, and taking away any seriousness in them. By christian definitions we live in a much horrible world than we used to. We have open homosexuals all around, having sex before marriage, lying, killing, etc. Yes there were those things back then but not at this level, and I don't see god doing **** about it, unless you're one of those ignorant fools who believe that earthquakes and tsunamis are a sign of god's anger.
User avatar #585 to #564 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
1. You're making the assumption I was evading the question. A. I was not insulting "real world" logic, B. We're debating ABOUT THE BIBLE, here. What other bloody source can I use?
2. Ugh. Just let me get back to you later on that.
3. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS TO MAKE ME SOUND STUPID! I'M SAYING THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND JACK **** UNLESS IT'S DRILLED INTO YOUR SKULL BY GURREN LAGANN ITSELF!
4. Quote number 1: " We've built much larger structures than the tower of babel and we haven't been scolded by "god"."
Quote number 2: "He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens"
Put those two quotes together, and you're either saying that our "much larger structures" are like the tower of Babel, or you rendered your argument useless.
5. No, I am glad to say I am not one of those ignorant fools. I do, however, believe that God will act in due time.
#604 to #585 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
3. Have you seen how you speak? You keep using words like "people like you", how old are you? seriously, stop dividing us up and saying like that. It'm sure a black person or a latino wouldn't like you calling them "people like you", seriously, what the **** ? Also "people like me" are those who were christians all their life until they saw how ****** up religion is and how science made more sense when they arrived in college, because they were in a christian school for 13 years. Stop making assumptions, and stop thinking some of "us" don't know what the **** we are talking about.
4. So wait, are you saying that if humanity builds a structure so they can reach "heaven" God will destroy it?
User avatar #621 to #604 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
3a. I use "people like you" to avoid generalizing you as "atheists", since I've known and debated with many atheists that were very civilized in their arguments, and many who didn't debate at all.
3b. I also never said you don't know what you're talking about. I said that you don't know anything unless it's drilled into your skull mostly in order to get my point accross, but what I meant is that 'people like you' refuse to accept logic presented by a Christian, no matter how valid it is. I'm also curious as to what this "assumption" is.

4. No, that's what you were saying.
#36 to #9 - iantheoreo (05/21/2012) [-]
But God still 						*******					 drowned everyone.   
   
Hfw
But God still ******* drowned everyone.

Hfw
#742 to #36 - silverbolt (05/22/2012) [-]
i love that gif and now i love you good job!
i love that gif and now i love you good job!
#11 to #9 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
Go ahead and thumb me down for filling in crucial missing information to fix this biased post. Won't stop me.
Go ahead and thumb me down for filling in crucial missing information to fix this biased post. Won't stop me.
#12 to #11 - tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
http://wiki . answers . com/Q/HowmanyyearsdidNoahwarnthepeopleaboutthecoming_flood

User avatar #17 to #12 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
Does it matter how many years it was? The entirety of the human population was concentrated around one area, so everybody knew, and outside of Noah's family, not one person believed him.

That's the debating I'm doing on this thread. Draezeth over and out.
User avatar #50 to #17 - hiimagirl (05/22/2012) [-]
Whether the people were warned or not is irrelevant. The fact that the so-called loving god wiped out an entire population because the people didn't turn out the way he wanted them too is evil.
#18 to #17 - tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
You have no evidence to prove that everyone lived in one concentrated area.

You are not debating, you are stupid.
#740 to #18 - silverbolt (05/22/2012) [-]
its cool guys iron mans got this
its cool guys iron mans got this
#20 to #18 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
Ok, forget it. This debate is happening.

1. Insulting people is a sign of sucking at debating and/or of being a complete dick.
2. If we're debating about a Bible story, then the Bible is the only source useable. What does it say? Oh, yeah, they're all concentrated area.
User avatar #21 to #20 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
They were all in a concentrated area*
#24 to #21 - tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
1: saying you are leaving a debate after hard evidence is given is a poor way to go.
2:
Bible evidence Genesis chapter 6:1
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them.

mentions earth not a secluded place.
same with 6:7 and 6:12 and so on.
User avatar #26 to #24 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
1. I've been debating all day every day for 3 days. I'm tired of it. Simple as that.
2. It doesn't specifically say anything about them spreading out, though! Everyone also spoke the same language, since the tower of Babel incident hadn't happened, which naturally would mean they would stick together.
User avatar #101 to #26 - hebs (05/22/2012) [-]
to bad that other counties have writings to and in different languges
User avatar #102 to #101 - hebs (05/22/2012) [-]
*too
User avatar #757 to #102 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Sorry to respond so late, but the research of Comparative Philology actually traces ALL languages on earth back to the middle east.
User avatar #793 to #757 - hebs (05/22/2012) [-]
do you know the web site it's on. i would like to read it
User avatar #845 to #793 - draezeth (05/23/2012) [-]
Here's two websites that cover it for the most part. The second is a young earth creationist site, though, and doesn't totally agree with my views.

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User avatar #809 to #793 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Ah crap, sorry, I don't have the address. I'll send it to you if I find it, though that may have to wait until tomorrow, 'cuz it's getting kinda late here.
#28 to #26 - tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
Well, there is one incident that backs up the bible being the stray at the black sea, where the general population was, if i have to use evidence from the bible i cannot prove you wrong since then your argument would be an hypotothis i cannot dissaprove.

But science clearly show that mankind originated from africa and continued to wander to all corners of the earth.
User avatar #31 to #28 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
Those weren't humans, but hominids like the Homo Habilis.
User avatar #34 to #31 - thedemonic (05/21/2012) [-]
homo sapians originated 200,00 years ago in africa. just saying
User avatar #760 to #34 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
I am aware of that, but the point brought up was on humans. Whether they evolved or they were created, the first Homo Sapien may have been born in what is now the Middle East.
User avatar #796 to #760 - thedemonic (05/22/2012) [-]
this is just my belief through theory of evolution though, it hasnt been proven to be true. im not trying to force this down your throat like some arrogant atheist with no actual knowledge on science or religion
User avatar #801 to #796 - draezeth (05/22/2012) [-]
Much appreciated. Nobody likes having beliefs shoved down their throats.
User avatar #795 to #760 - thedemonic (05/22/2012) [-]
"The prevailing theory among scientists is the "out of Africa theory" or the replacement theory, which suggests that humans evolved in Africa and migrated to other lands between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago"-from the science group of discovery.com.
User avatar #32 to #31 - draezeth (05/21/2012) [-]
I'm going to bed. No more replies for the night.
#33 to #32 - tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
ditto. was fun.
#560 to #33 - anonymous (05/22/2012) [-]
Worst debate ever. Even on FJ scale this was extremely bad.
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