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theawesomesumo (05/22/2012) [-] If God isn't real then who keeps the Australians from falling off the Earth?
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theomegaman (05/22/2012) [-] Yeah, but if God is real, then how come he isn't?
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Sould God then control everyone's mind and we all live like holy slaves zombies?
God gave us free will to do as WE choose, and I know your thinking "well if there is a god, how can he allow this suffering" Let's see 100 years max of suffering for an ETERNITY of happiness seems pretty merciful and generous to me.
God gave us free will to do as WE choose, and I know your thinking "well if there is a god, how can he allow this suffering" Let's see 100 years max of suffering for an ETERNITY of happiness seems pretty merciful and generous to me.
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draezeth (05/21/2012) [+]
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Except you missed the little bit where Noah warned everyone and they didn't listen.
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draezeth (05/21/2012) [-] Ok, forget it. This debate is happening.
1. Insulting people is a sign of sucking at debating and/or of being a complete dick.
2. If we're debating about a Bible story, then the Bible is the only source useable. What does it say? Oh, yeah, they're all concentrated area.
1. Insulting people is a sign of sucking at debating and/or of being a complete dick.
2. If we're debating about a Bible story, then the Bible is the only source useable. What does it say? Oh, yeah, they're all concentrated area.
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tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
1: saying you are leaving a debate after hard evidence is given is a poor way to go.
2:
Bible evidence Genesis chapter 6:1
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them.
mentions earth not a secluded place.
same with 6:7 and 6:12 and so on.
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Bible evidence Genesis chapter 6:1
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them.
mentions earth not a secluded place.
same with 6:7 and 6:12 and so on.
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draezeth (05/21/2012) [-] 1. I've been debating all day every day for 3 days. I'm tired of it. Simple as that.
2. It doesn't specifically say anything about them spreading out, though! Everyone also spoke the same language, since the tower of Babel incident hadn't happened, which naturally would mean they would stick together.
2. It doesn't specifically say anything about them spreading out, though! Everyone also spoke the same language, since the tower of Babel incident hadn't happened, which naturally would mean they would stick together.
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] Here's two websites that cover it for the most part. The second is a young earth creationist site, though, and doesn't totally agree with my views.
andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/language.html
www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/05agee6.htm
andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/language.html
www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/05agee6.htm
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tbhp (05/21/2012) [-]
Well, there is one incident that backs up the bible being the stray at the black sea, where the general population was, if i have to use evidence from the bible i cannot prove you wrong since then your argument would be an hypotothis i cannot dissaprove.
But science clearly show that mankind originated from africa and continued to wander to all corners of the earth.
But science clearly show that mankind originated from africa and continued to wander to all corners of the earth.
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thedemonic (05/22/2012) [-] "The prevailing theory among scientists is the "out of Africa theory" or the replacement theory, which suggests that humans evolved in Africa and migrated to other lands between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago"-from the science group of discovery.com.
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blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
Well i doubt you would get into a boat with a (seemingly) crazy guy and his hundreds of animals he has to "save". In short Hitler killed people who defied him. God killed people who didnt believe some guy who said "OMG THERES GONNA BE A BIG FLOOD FOR 40 DAYS GET ON THE BOAT" in a countly like israel(im not entirely sure) where it rains like once a decade.
Hitler killed people who didnt join him, he gave them a chance.
God killed innocents because they didnt believe a random guy who said the world would end.
In this case GOD would be Worse than hitler, but God couldnt be, because he doesn't exist
Hitler killed people who didnt join him, he gave them a chance.
God killed innocents because they didnt believe a random guy who said the world would end.
In this case GOD would be Worse than hitler, but God couldnt be, because he doesn't exist
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] I was born into a Christian home. Until a few years ago, I never really questioned anything, I just went with the flow. Then I went to a Christian conference in Poland, where I got baptized and really became a Christian. After that, I started debating on Youtube and FunnyJunk. I spent 4 months. 4. MONTHS. Debating every day. Some good questions were raised that made me question God, but EVERY time I asked my father (my biological father, that is) about these issues, I received a satisfactory answer (with a few exceptions that I found an answer to online). I've questioned my God more than even some atheists, and I'm still a Christian. I've debated with more atheists than almost all other Christians I know personally.
Which brings me to my point: If God made any mistakes, I would know about it. And if I knew about it, then I wouldn't be a Christian. So stop wasting your time trying to convince me I'm wrong, because God is my father and savior, and nothing you or anyone else can say will convince me otherwise, because it's the Truth.
I'm done here. God save you.
Which brings me to my point: If God made any mistakes, I would know about it. And if I knew about it, then I wouldn't be a Christian. So stop wasting your time trying to convince me I'm wrong, because God is my father and savior, and nothing you or anyone else can say will convince me otherwise, because it's the Truth.
I'm done here. God save you.
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blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
You're worse than other relifags... If you were born into a religion you were probably brainwashed or abused because kids will accept whatever adults say as fact. If your parents made you be christian then, you probably have a warped mind that wont accept logic because a wizard did it
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] You amuse me. Really, you do. I've debated with dozens of atheists and so far, you're the worst. You probably read the first sentence of that post I worked so hard on before making that comment.
You're an embarrassment to other atheists. I'm just saving them the trouble of saying it.
You're an embarrassment to other atheists. I'm just saving them the trouble of saying it.
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tbhp (05/22/2012) [-]
i insulted you too, oh my is poor little boy sad now buhu, welcome to the fucking internett nigger faggot, i give a pure fuck about your feelings.
the only thing that makes me mad is the fact that you say you are "outa this debate" after every fucking comment, you try and explain shit?
you say to read your other answer? you havent answered anything because you dont know the fucking meaning of the word answer, it needs to be backed up by a liable source, and your hippie fucking zen moments with god dont do shit for an answer.
the only thing that makes me mad is the fact that you say you are "outa this debate" after every fucking comment, you try and explain shit?
you say to read your other answer? you havent answered anything because you dont know the fucking meaning of the word answer, it needs to be backed up by a liable source, and your hippie fucking zen moments with god dont do shit for an answer.
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thephantur (05/22/2012) [-] If some bearded guy came up to you and said:
"Yo, tell yo kids to tell their kids to build boats because your loving god, the god who loves you as his children, is going to drown everyone on earth... yeah..."
No, I'd lock my doors and call the police.
"Yo, tell yo kids to tell their kids to build boats because your loving god, the god who loves you as his children, is going to drown everyone on earth... yeah..."
No, I'd lock my doors and call the police.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Not everyone was living in one single concentrated camp, don't be that stupid. We've seen humans remains in America dating thousands of years ago. Face the fact, if Noah truly existed, he had no way to communicate with the whole Earth and not everyone was going to be able to see animals lining up. Also, it's kinda cute that you think humans all spoke the same language. I live on a small island and people living in different towns even have the same words that mean different things. That's how languages are born. Also, if you say you're so tired about debating then why the fuck do you even start something like this? Does it burn inside you when you aren't able to give a smartass response to contents like this? "Yeah! I'll make atheists look stupid! justice!" and then "meh, I'm tired of responding and debating, jackass over and out"
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] I know how languages are born, but this was before the Tower of Babel incident, so they at least would have been similar enough for them to understand each other. And really, this wasn't that many generations after Adam.
I debate because I can't STAND hearing an atheist say "relifags can't use logic". It just burns me up, so i have to step up and show them they're wrong. And I get sick of debating because 99% of my debates end with the atheist insulting me. Oh look at that, that's what's happening now. Looks like this debate's over.
I debate because I can't STAND hearing an atheist say "relifags can't use logic". It just burns me up, so i have to step up and show them they're wrong. And I get sick of debating because 99% of my debates end with the atheist insulting me. Oh look at that, that's what's happening now. Looks like this debate's over.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
How do you expect people not to criticize you when you're insulting real world logic and using the bible as a history lesson, I'm guessing you believe the earth really is 6 thousand years old. Also, it seems atheists aren't the only one that insults people "That's not an argument, that's being a self-righteous asshole". You're giving smartass responses and you expect people to take things lightly? Of course not. There's no proof that the tower of babel even existed so I prefer using "logic" with evidence. We've built much larger structures than the tower of babel and we haven't been scolded by "god". I guess I understand why it burns you up though, but using bible logic is a big no no when you're trying to defend something with absolutely no proof (like the tower of babel incident).
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] 1. We're talking about something Biblical here. If you want to talk about the validity of what we're debating about, that's another debate entirely.
2. No, I believe it's millions of years old.
3. Christians get pushed over the edge, too. Best way to make an asshole realize he's an asshole? Tell him he's an asshole.
4. Do you honestly think that God destroyed the tower of Babel uniquely because it was so tall? Because He didn't.
5. I wasn't defending its validity in the first place! Stay on-topic before trying to be smart!
2. No, I believe it's millions of years old.
3. Christians get pushed over the edge, too. Best way to make an asshole realize he's an asshole? Tell him he's an asshole.
4. Do you honestly think that God destroyed the tower of Babel uniquely because it was so tall? Because He didn't.
5. I wasn't defending its validity in the first place! Stay on-topic before trying to be smart!
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
1. So you agree that there is no validity in anything related to the bible, that's good.
2. So you don't believe everything religion tells you then, isn't that being a hypocrite? you should believe the universe rotates around the earth!
3. So it's okay when christians are assholes? what happened to "love thy neighbor"? or what about "turn the other cheek"? Isn't it best to try and represent what christian beliefs shows you?
4. He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens, which in reality means that they were trying to make a really big ass building (in those times at least) and some people saw it as an evil thing and probably the building collapsed because they weren't very good builders back then and people invented the towel of babel story.
2. So you don't believe everything religion tells you then, isn't that being a hypocrite? you should believe the universe rotates around the earth!
3. So it's okay when christians are assholes? what happened to "love thy neighbor"? or what about "turn the other cheek"? Isn't it best to try and represent what christian beliefs shows you?
4. He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens, which in reality means that they were trying to make a really big ass building (in those times at least) and some people saw it as an evil thing and probably the building collapsed because they weren't very good builders back then and people invented the towel of babel story.
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] 1. Oh, okay. I didn't realize you were DELIBERATELY not understanding what I meant.
2. No, I simply pay attention to Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, which have no time stamp on them. There's also the little tidbit that a day in God's eyes could be millions of years in ours.
3. I hope you realized I could have been a LOT more scathing with my last reply. The thing is, you people never learn when I don't get angry.
4. Bet you didn't know that every single stone in the tower was said to bear the name of an idol. And did you seriously just imply that the people who build buildings like the World Trade Center were trying to reach the heavens? Honestly, if you atheists read each others' debates, you would realize you're hardly any better than the religious people you base your stereotypes off of.
2. No, I simply pay attention to Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, which have no time stamp on them. There's also the little tidbit that a day in God's eyes could be millions of years in ours.
3. I hope you realized I could have been a LOT more scathing with my last reply. The thing is, you people never learn when I don't get angry.
4. Bet you didn't know that every single stone in the tower was said to bear the name of an idol. And did you seriously just imply that the people who build buildings like the World Trade Center were trying to reach the heavens? Honestly, if you atheists read each others' debates, you would realize you're hardly any better than the religious people you base your stereotypes off of.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
1. Kay, thanks for not answering and evading the subject here.
2. One day being 1 million years would not make sense either with the fact that there was no sun when he created the plants. Also the fact that he is fucking god and he can do it in less than 1 second, what a stupid argument
3. So you're saying it's okay for christians to insult others because it could "have been worse". Very christian-like of you
4. No, you're just putting things into my mouth because you want to make my statements sound bad, and taking away any seriousness in them. By christian definitions we live in a much horrible world than we used to. We have open homosexuals all around, having sex before marriage, lying, killing, etc. Yes there were those things back then but not at this level, and I don't see god doing shit about it, unless you're one of those ignorant fools who believe that earthquakes and tsunamis are a sign of god's anger.
2. One day being 1 million years would not make sense either with the fact that there was no sun when he created the plants. Also the fact that he is fucking god and he can do it in less than 1 second, what a stupid argument
3. So you're saying it's okay for christians to insult others because it could "have been worse". Very christian-like of you
4. No, you're just putting things into my mouth because you want to make my statements sound bad, and taking away any seriousness in them. By christian definitions we live in a much horrible world than we used to. We have open homosexuals all around, having sex before marriage, lying, killing, etc. Yes there were those things back then but not at this level, and I don't see god doing shit about it, unless you're one of those ignorant fools who believe that earthquakes and tsunamis are a sign of god's anger.
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] 1. You're making the assumption I was evading the question. A. I was not insulting "real world" logic, B. We're debating ABOUT THE BIBLE, here. What other bloody source can I use?
2. Ugh. Just let me get back to you later on that.
3. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS TO MAKE ME SOUND STUPID! I'M SAYING THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND JACK SHIT UNLESS IT'S DRILLED INTO YOUR SKULL BY GURREN LAGANN ITSELF!
4. Quote number 1: " We've built much larger structures than the tower of babel and we haven't been scolded by "god"."
Quote number 2: "He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens"
Put those two quotes together, and you're either saying that our "much larger structures" are like the tower of Babel, or you rendered your argument useless.
5. No, I am glad to say I am not one of those ignorant fools. I do, however, believe that God will act in due time.
2. Ugh. Just let me get back to you later on that.
3. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS TO MAKE ME SOUND STUPID! I'M SAYING THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND JACK SHIT UNLESS IT'S DRILLED INTO YOUR SKULL BY GURREN LAGANN ITSELF!
4. Quote number 1: " We've built much larger structures than the tower of babel and we haven't been scolded by "god"."
Quote number 2: "He destroyed it because they were trying to reach the heavens"
Put those two quotes together, and you're either saying that our "much larger structures" are like the tower of Babel, or you rendered your argument useless.
5. No, I am glad to say I am not one of those ignorant fools. I do, however, believe that God will act in due time.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
3. Have you seen how you speak? You keep using words like "people like you", how old are you? seriously, stop dividing us up and saying like that. It'm sure a black person or a latino wouldn't like you calling them "people like you", seriously, what the fuck? Also "people like me" are those who were christians all their life until they saw how fucked up religion is and how science made more sense when they arrived in college, because they were in a christian school for 13 years. Stop making assumptions, and stop thinking some of "us" don't know what the fuck we are talking about.
4. So wait, are you saying that if humanity builds a structure so they can reach "heaven" God will destroy it?
4. So wait, are you saying that if humanity builds a structure so they can reach "heaven" God will destroy it?
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] 3a. I use "people like you" to avoid generalizing you as "atheists", since I've known and debated with many atheists that were very civilized in their arguments, and many who didn't debate at all.
3b. I also never said you don't know what you're talking about. I said that you don't know anything unless it's drilled into your skull mostly in order to get my point accross, but what I meant is that 'people like you' refuse to accept logic presented by a Christian, no matter how valid it is. I'm also curious as to what this "assumption" is.
4. No, that's what you were saying.
3b. I also never said you don't know what you're talking about. I said that you don't know anything unless it's drilled into your skull mostly in order to get my point accross, but what I meant is that 'people like you' refuse to accept logic presented by a Christian, no matter how valid it is. I'm also curious as to what this "assumption" is.
4. No, that's what you were saying.
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] He appeared to control them because God made them flock to him in pairs and didn't try to eat each other or fight.
God can do "shit like that" because he's God. He only told Noah because he was the only man who found favor in the eyes of God.
It flooded because of a miracle, not simply because it rained.
God can do "shit like that" because he's God. He only told Noah because he was the only man who found favor in the eyes of God.
It flooded because of a miracle, not simply because it rained.
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] No, it would. It's been thousands of years since Noah. In that time, genetic variation would have drifted farther, thus making inbreeding liable to create birth defect.
I don't think you understand how exactly inbreeding causes birth defect (note, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, that's just what I understand). Inbreeding means that the DNA of the parents is similar, including recessive genes that could cause birth defects such as mental retardation. These recessive genes wouldn't have been an issue because they wouldn't have had time to develop to that point.
I don't think you understand how exactly inbreeding causes birth defect (note, I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, that's just what I understand). Inbreeding means that the DNA of the parents is similar, including recessive genes that could cause birth defects such as mental retardation. These recessive genes wouldn't have been an issue because they wouldn't have had time to develop to that point.
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blancka (05/22/2012) [-]
I'm pretty sure he couldn't control the will of animals. If he could then why not make the animals herd the people onto the boat?
Also animals can be tamed and i wouldnt put something like that past a crazy guy who things theres gonna be a big flood.
If god could warn him about the flood why not warn everyone.
Also if only a few people were on the boat and the rest of the world died, Then we are all born from incest and the bible says incest is wrong. Explain that
Also animals can be tamed and i wouldnt put something like that past a crazy guy who things theres gonna be a big flood.
If god could warn him about the flood why not warn everyone.
Also if only a few people were on the boat and the rest of the world died, Then we are all born from incest and the bible says incest is wrong. Explain that
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] The Bible DOES say that incest is bad, it just wasn't imposed until generations later. And it only counts as incest if the people grew up as brothers and sisters. Plus, if your argument was justified then it would be even worse with science, since it says we all came from the first cell. Going by your logic, then even bestiality would be considered incest!
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] 1. Harry Potter openly states that it is a work of fiction.
2. The Bible has been proven to have been written over thousands of years. And yet somehow, the writings of these men (many of which hadn't even read each others' parts) manage to correspond and complement each others' exactly.
3. Many of the events of the Bible can actually be proven via geological, philological and historical records.
4. I even the fact that so many people like you so vehemently oppose the Bible without any real reason to to be evidence towards it. After all...
5. Many of the prophecies outlined in the Bible had been shown to be coming true. The Bible describes todays' atheists perfectly, and also says that people will begin to hate Israel. Not to mention the unexplained increase in natural disasters in recent years.
6. And finally there's my own personal feelings. I feel in my heart that God is real and that I have felt his presence. I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but it means everything to me.
Now I'm done.
2. The Bible has been proven to have been written over thousands of years. And yet somehow, the writings of these men (many of which hadn't even read each others' parts) manage to correspond and complement each others' exactly.
3. Many of the events of the Bible can actually be proven via geological, philological and historical records.
4. I even the fact that so many people like you so vehemently oppose the Bible without any real reason to to be evidence towards it. After all...
5. Many of the prophecies outlined in the Bible had been shown to be coming true. The Bible describes todays' atheists perfectly, and also says that people will begin to hate Israel. Not to mention the unexplained increase in natural disasters in recent years.
6. And finally there's my own personal feelings. I feel in my heart that God is real and that I have felt his presence. I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but it means everything to me.
Now I'm done.
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blancka (05/23/2012) [-]
1. Harry potter in no place states it is a work of fiction, not to mention wizards are never seen by muggles.
2.The bible is just a compilation of stories, it doesn't exactly correspond
3. They have not been proven only shown to have possibly happened
4. Our evidence for not following it is that people have worshipped all kinds of crap in the past like the sun. 2000 years ago they didn't have scientists or machines that can do what we do now and there has been no "miracles" since cameras were invented.
5.Nostre damus. That is all, he has predicted shit that came true after he died. Does that make him god?
6.There are people in insane asylums who hear and see people who aren't there. Can you really say they deserver to be there since you have a similar situation with "God"
2.The bible is just a compilation of stories, it doesn't exactly correspond
3. They have not been proven only shown to have possibly happened
4. Our evidence for not following it is that people have worshipped all kinds of crap in the past like the sun. 2000 years ago they didn't have scientists or machines that can do what we do now and there has been no "miracles" since cameras were invented.
5.Nostre damus. That is all, he has predicted shit that came true after he died. Does that make him god?
6.There are people in insane asylums who hear and see people who aren't there. Can you really say they deserver to be there since you have a similar situation with "God"
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] 1. Okay, but Rowling has said it.
2. Yes it does. Take the book of Job, for example, the first book to have been written, which can only be truly understood if you read the Gospels of Paul, which are the last.
3. Geological records point to a massive flood thousands of years ago. Historical records show that figures such as Joseph, Moses and Jesus were real and that people had actually seen them in person. Philological records trace all languages back to the Middle East.
4. I'm not talking about you not following it. I'm talking about you being so offensive against it. You actually go out of your way to try and talk believers such as myself out of believing.
5. No, just good at predicting. But the Bible predicted things thousands of years in the future strikingly accurately. I know this isn't proof, but it's evidence, and also a difference from Harry Potter.
6. Depends how bad it is. If they aren't a danger to society, then I think they're being treated too extremely. There are also millions of people who claim to have felt the same thing I have. It's my own proof, and it's up to you whether or not you believe in it.
7. Additionally, there's the sheer depth of the Bible. If you read the Recovery Version, you realize it's so much more than just a story. Meanwhile, Harry Potter is exactly that. A story.
8. People have been martyred for believing in the Bible, and yet they still continued to believe. Watchman Nee and Witness Lee dedicated every free moment of their lives to the Bible. I don't believe that kind of faith could exist if God were not there to stir up their spirits.
I have more.
2. Yes it does. Take the book of Job, for example, the first book to have been written, which can only be truly understood if you read the Gospels of Paul, which are the last.
3. Geological records point to a massive flood thousands of years ago. Historical records show that figures such as Joseph, Moses and Jesus were real and that people had actually seen them in person. Philological records trace all languages back to the Middle East.
4. I'm not talking about you not following it. I'm talking about you being so offensive against it. You actually go out of your way to try and talk believers such as myself out of believing.
5. No, just good at predicting. But the Bible predicted things thousands of years in the future strikingly accurately. I know this isn't proof, but it's evidence, and also a difference from Harry Potter.
6. Depends how bad it is. If they aren't a danger to society, then I think they're being treated too extremely. There are also millions of people who claim to have felt the same thing I have. It's my own proof, and it's up to you whether or not you believe in it.
7. Additionally, there's the sheer depth of the Bible. If you read the Recovery Version, you realize it's so much more than just a story. Meanwhile, Harry Potter is exactly that. A story.
8. People have been martyred for believing in the Bible, and yet they still continued to believe. Watchman Nee and Witness Lee dedicated every free moment of their lives to the Bible. I don't believe that kind of faith could exist if God were not there to stir up their spirits.
I have more.
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
Well, I've read all the arguments against you, and there have been only two, really flawed arguments. The first being that no one would believe Noah, and the second that Noah never existed in the first place. Let's just make the assumption that the bible's god existed and the Noah event occurred. The god in the bible is all knowing, meaning he told Noah that this would happen, knowing that no one would believe him. There were much more efficient ways of doing this if he intended to save everyone, but he purposely executed a flawed plan so that everyone aside from Noah and his family would die.
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
I apologize, I must have thought it was the end of the thread before that comment. I saw it after I posted this. However, I don't think your response really resolves the issue. He still did this knowing that no one would listen. He could have done it in a variety of other ways to save more people, but he purposely did it knowing that everyone would die. This is like releasing a virus that would infect everyone on the planet so that they have a chance to survive, but you know that they won't. Later you tell everyone that it's perfectly fine that you did it, because they still had that chance.
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
In fact, there were a variety of other solutions to the problem as well, instead of just killing everyone. However, he decided that it would be best to kill everyone because the world didn't turn out the way he wanted it, even though he knew before hand that this would be the outcome. He doesn't seem like such a loving god when his only choice is to kill the entire population except one family because he created an imperfect world.
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] The only other options I can think of would be to have flooded the world without warning anyone, or to let the guilty and unrighteous go on living. Unless you mean taking away their free will and turning them good, but that could arguably be worse...
Also, I don't understand your point about the virus, can you clarify?
Also, I don't understand your point about the virus, can you clarify?
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
My point with the virus was a comparison. If a human had done the same thing, creating a situation in which everyone had a chance to survive, but he knew before hand that no one would, people would call this man evil. If civilization was rebuilt, and the event was remembered, he would probably go down as the most evil person in history. However, a god does it, and it's okay? I'm not convinced that an all knowing, all powerful god couldn't come up with a solution that worked. I'd also like to argue that being all knowing, he created the world knowing that this situation would happen. He created the world knowing he would kill everyone, he couldn't do something before these events to prevent the need to kill everyone?
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] Well then the only option would be to create everything perfectly. But that's not what God wants, he wants to give mankind a choice whether or not to believe and serve him.
The case with the virus is different because the guy did it just because. And even if he did it to get people to serve him, he's only human and as such wouldn't merit the position.
In order to give man a choice, God had to give man imperfection.
The case with the virus is different because the guy did it just because. And even if he did it to get people to serve him, he's only human and as such wouldn't merit the position.
In order to give man a choice, God had to give man imperfection.
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
There was quite a bit of time between the creation of man, and the flood. Even changing small things could have impacted the outcome. I'm sure that there would have been a way to prevent as much corruption. Also, I want to expand on my virus idea. Let's say he does it because he thinks everyone on the planet, excluding the family he lets live, is tainted. That gives him the exact same motive, and solution as god. He would then be labeled as insane, and evil, yet god gets this get out of jail free card. I also believe that an all loving god wouldn't force people to serve him. If they lived good lives, and he was a just god that should be enough. Yet he seems to have the ego of a teenage girl, making everyone worship him, or they are tortured forever. Which on it's own seems like the worst solution to a very small problem. I don't entirely understand why a god should get his own special pedestal of morality that can't be touched. As for your last statement, I've seen this argument a ridiculously large amount of times. I think an all powerful god could create a world with free will, but the choices would not cause suffering in any way. There would still be decisions and free will, but every decision would be completely harmless, meaning no suffering aside from anything he causes.
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draezeth (05/22/2012) [-] 1. It depends on if the people were tainted or not. If they were and they presented a threat to the future of the human race, he could be labeled as a hero instead.
2. The flood was also symbollic. You have to admit the parallels between today and then for Christians is strikingly similar. People committing evil everywhere, the Christians promising a way out but being turned away by many. The only real differences are the ratio of believers and nonbelievers and that it's eternal death and not a flood.
3. Actually, the belief that atheists burn in Hell forever is a misconception. It does say the fires of Hell are eternal, and that Satan will burn in it forever, but it also says that humans will face "eternal death" (ex. Acts 20:26), and not eternal pain. Really, it's a win-win situation I guess, since Christians and the others that satisfy the criteria to get into the New Jerusalem will live with an eternity of happiness, while everyone else just vanishes, just like you believe. At least that's what I understood.
I'm gonna have to go to bed. It's late here in France. I'd appreciate it if we could wrap this up soon. I've been debating for several days now and it's wearing me out.
2. The flood was also symbollic. You have to admit the parallels between today and then for Christians is strikingly similar. People committing evil everywhere, the Christians promising a way out but being turned away by many. The only real differences are the ratio of believers and nonbelievers and that it's eternal death and not a flood.
3. Actually, the belief that atheists burn in Hell forever is a misconception. It does say the fires of Hell are eternal, and that Satan will burn in it forever, but it also says that humans will face "eternal death" (ex. Acts 20:26), and not eternal pain. Really, it's a win-win situation I guess, since Christians and the others that satisfy the criteria to get into the New Jerusalem will live with an eternity of happiness, while everyone else just vanishes, just like you believe. At least that's what I understood.
I'm gonna have to go to bed. It's late here in France. I'd appreciate it if we could wrap this up soon. I've been debating for several days now and it's wearing me out.
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kdeastab (05/22/2012) [-]
The people during Noah's time weren't labeled as evil though. It says that they were wicked in gods eyes. They could probably be seen as good people in today's world considering a lot of the old testament laws. However, because they didn't do specifically what he wanted, they deserved to die? There is always evil, but there are also a lot more good. Many people love this world, and the way it is. By a way out I assume you mean the rapture. Those people lose the place they call their home, even if they've only been there for a few years and still had many more years to be there. Many people believe that atheists suffer as well, but that's sort of irrelevant to your point, but I still thought it would be important. I don't want to get into whether it should be believed or not, but there should be no punishment of any kind for not believing. That's a very trivial thing, and seems childish to give any sort of punishment for it. I'm sorry for dragging this on, but I feel theological debates are important, at the very least to lessen any ignorance I have. I'd gladly end this with your next comment, and I'd like to say that I enjoyed it, especially how well you handled it after the other flood of comments.
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draezeth (05/23/2012) [-] Thank you. Yes, your debating is much more enjoyable than that of some of the other atheists on this thread.
1. Genesis 5:11-12 "An the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth." This is saying that all of mankind had become corrupt and evil.
2. Not necessarily just the rapture, there's the end of the world afterwards. Losing this world would be a trivial thing, really. We get the Millennial Kingdom and the New Jerusalem which will be much better.
3. But like I said before, if there is no punishment, then the bad people get off lightly. That would be like having no laws, only guidelines that you're fine ignoring.
1. Genesis 5:11-12 "An the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth." This is saying that all of mankind had become corrupt and evil.
2. Not necessarily just the rapture, there's the end of the world afterwards. Losing this world would be a trivial thing, really. We get the Millennial Kingdom and the New Jerusalem which will be much better.
3. But like I said before, if there is no punishment, then the bad people get off lightly. That would be like having no laws, only guidelines that you're fine ignoring.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Implying that a single man warning everyone makes flooding the world okay.
Who would have believed a man in this deceitful world?
Wouldn't this God have known that no one would believe him?
And yet he flooded the world anyways.
Because he didn't like it.
Who would have believed a man in this deceitful world?
Wouldn't this God have known that no one would believe him?
And yet he flooded the world anyways.
Because he didn't like it.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
I went through them. All I saw was you saying was how you would believe it if two animals of every kind weren't eating each other and a bunch of people randomly insulting you.
What I'm arguing is that God would have known no one would believe, and flooded the world anyways. (The whole "God has plan for everything" thing) The warning wasn't of any help, and God knew that. That makes him cruel, at least, by most ethical standards.
Well, that's what I got from it anyways. Could you say the post # where you covered that, if I missed it?
What I'm arguing is that God would have known no one would believe, and flooded the world anyways. (The whole "God has plan for everything" thing) The warning wasn't of any help, and God knew that. That makes him cruel, at least, by most ethical standards.
Well, that's what I got from it anyways. Could you say the post # where you covered that, if I missed it?
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bitey ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-] Yes, because a single old man building a colossal fucking boat and filling it with 2 of every single animal in existence at the time, because a great flood from out of fucking nowhere is going to kill everything, sounds just as likely as The Fuhrer of Germany wanting to wage war against the world and kill the jews because he doesn't like them.
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bitey ONLINE (05/22/2012) [-] I'm not being a fascist. At least I'm not trying to be, but I see how you could see me as such. I feel like, sure, you believe whatever you want, but don't try to deny logical arguments and facts. I also might have said some typical shit like "don't shove your religion down our throats" But in this case, it's OP's fault for bringing this shit up to begin with, causing you to defend you beliefs, causing me to put them down. So basically, it's OP's fault and everyone should be mad at him and either A) thumb this post down. Or B) Laugh, thumb, shut the fuck up and don't get offended. That's the problem today. No one can respect each others beliefs and just move along, people have to get act like little pussies and get offended if someone says something that's not considered "Politically correct". With that said, I won't try to talk down on your beliefs any further, instead I will say this. Have a nice day Mr./Ms. Thiest, and enjoy your browsing of our funnyjunk community, and for the love of god (wink wink), let's just fucking coexist. (pardon any grammatical/spelling mistakes, I don't feel like proof reading that shit.)
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fuckdapolice (05/22/2012) [-]
I read this part of the Old Testament so I know what I'm saying, God wanted to drown everyone originally but someone convinced him to save all of the good people on the world, which Noah and his family were the only ones, and they took 2 of every animal etc. So, Noah didn't warn anyone except his family.
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hebs (05/22/2012) [+]
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you can't compare Hitler to god. nor can you say one was more evil. Hitler is the only one evil. god isn't evil in any way.
for god to be evil. god would have to exist
for god to be evil. god would have to exist
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bithcwits (05/22/2012) [+]
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Y'know what? I don't give a fuck about these red thumbs. I am sick and tired of these moronic religious and anti-religious posts that are clogging up the front page like malignant tumors.
Ok, to begin with, I AM AN ATHEIST. (Because, on Funnyjunk, one HAS to assert ones identity, lest one's views be considered EVIL and TERRIBLE because they disagree with the majority. But we're all oh so up for freedom of speech and expression.) But these anti religious posts are, to be brutally honest, utterly and completely retarded. They present themselves as being self evident truth, and yet they are so palpably not. They are based on arbitrary prejudice and ignorance. Most of the people agreeing have no fucking clue about religion, they just "know" that it is bad "cuz sum big academics sed so."
The irony of the situation is that these academics, such as Richard Dawkins, advocate fee thinking, and yet so many people blindly swallow whatever anti-religious opinion they come up with next, without any critical thought whatsoever. You sit there and carp on about freedom of speech, and the benefits of reason, then go into fundamentalist battle mode as soon as something you disagree with comes up.
Funnyjunk has essentially become a place where people go to lap each other on the back for agreeing with them. "Oh, so you're an antitheist too, well done, you must be completely right about everything. Oh what's that, you never put any thought into your position, and you don't think critically about it? I don't care, because you agree with me. Lol Funnyjunk forever."
TL;DR Fuck you.
Hatches down, sights closed, braced for red thumbs.
Ok, to begin with, I AM AN ATHEIST. (Because, on Funnyjunk, one HAS to assert ones identity, lest one's views be considered EVIL and TERRIBLE because they disagree with the majority. But we're all oh so up for freedom of speech and expression.) But these anti religious posts are, to be brutally honest, utterly and completely retarded. They present themselves as being self evident truth, and yet they are so palpably not. They are based on arbitrary prejudice and ignorance. Most of the people agreeing have no fucking clue about religion, they just "know" that it is bad "cuz sum big academics sed so."
The irony of the situation is that these academics, such as Richard Dawkins, advocate fee thinking, and yet so many people blindly swallow whatever anti-religious opinion they come up with next, without any critical thought whatsoever. You sit there and carp on about freedom of speech, and the benefits of reason, then go into fundamentalist battle mode as soon as something you disagree with comes up.
Funnyjunk has essentially become a place where people go to lap each other on the back for agreeing with them. "Oh, so you're an antitheist too, well done, you must be completely right about everything. Oh what's that, you never put any thought into your position, and you don't think critically about it? I don't care, because you agree with me. Lol Funnyjunk forever."
TL;DR Fuck you.
Hatches down, sights closed, braced for red thumbs.
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LazyAnon (05/22/2012) [-] I know what you mean, I'm an Atheist and I don't think people who believe in god are dumb, in fact, I think the bible had plenty of good teachings, I just don't take it literally or live my life based around an outdated book. You can be an Atheist without being a dick to people who aren't, I wish people would understand that
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formerlyanon (05/22/2012) [-] "The irony of the situation is that these academics, such as Richard Dawkins, advocate fee thinking, and yet so many people blindly swallow whatever anti-religious opinion they come up with next, without any critical thought whatsoever. "
Quote of the day. Very well said.
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bithcwits (05/22/2012) [-] You do have a point, I just find that such content is not presented as a joke, but as a genuine statement of belief. More often than not, the content is strongly coloured by the context into which it was placed; since people seem to treat this is "argue-over-religion-junk," any content of this kind comes across as being a genuine statement, rather than a joke. If people were more up for viewing it as a joke, then the context wouldn't pervade the content so much.
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N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [+]
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**anonymous rolled a random image posted in comment #118 at My grandpa **
wow.... that was just... terrible...
not even close to a reasonable comparison...
I dont care if you don't like/believe in God, but wow... worst post of the day
wow.... that was just... terrible...
not even close to a reasonable comparison...
I dont care if you don't like/believe in God, but wow... worst post of the day
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callmemisterp (05/22/2012) [+]
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
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immabored (05/22/2012) [-] Wait wait wait. Yet nothing said about the atheists attacking Christians? Hm. When's the last time you saw a Christian attacking atheists post in the newest uploads let alone the front page? Now that you've answered that, when's the last time you saw an atheist post attacking theists? Exactly. Don't blame Christians for defending their beliefs, when they are so openly attacked by people who don't understand nor wish to understand the Bible.
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callmemisterp (05/22/2012) [-]
Christianity has so many flaw and loopholes that people don't realize.
Stereotyping every Atheist as an uppity-in-your-face-I'm-right is wrong just based on a small group of all.
I might as well stereotype every Christian as those like Westboro Baptist.
Did anyone attack Westboro Baptist or provoke them?
The correct answer is.....
NO
Stop whining, Christians are the majority leaders of the United States, Europe, and many other countries.
Stop whining, so people openly disagree with your beliefs.
Deal with it.
And stop trying to shove Christianity down my throat, I don't want it.
Stereotyping every Atheist as an uppity-in-your-face-I'm-right is wrong just based on a small group of all.
I might as well stereotype every Christian as those like Westboro Baptist.
Did anyone attack Westboro Baptist or provoke them?
The correct answer is.....
NO
Stop whining, Christians are the majority leaders of the United States, Europe, and many other countries.
Stop whining, so people openly disagree with your beliefs.
Deal with it.
And stop trying to shove Christianity down my throat, I don't want it.
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immabored (05/22/2012) [-] I didn't shove anything down your throat. I was stating a point. The fact is, FJ is biased as fuck. And I didn't mention the normal Atheists. I was mentioning the diehards that post this ignorant shit. And really, Christians don't run most of the US, Europe and etc. Especially when the Pres. isn't even a christian. I'm not sure what he is, I've heard islam thrown around a lot.
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hargleblarg (05/22/2012) [-] Can't we all just get along?
Constantly posts racist, anti-religious and gay content.
Constantly posts racist, anti-religious and gay content.
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vserras (05/22/2012) [+]
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Threw a party with no more than 12 people, wine and breadstick, more than 2000 years ago. Party is still remembered.
Jesus: The Best Promoter Ever !
Jesus: The Best Promoter Ever !
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tweetyftw **User deleted account** (05/22/2012) [+]
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Kill one man, and you are a murderer.
Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror.
Kill them all, and you are a god.
Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror.
Kill them all, and you are a god.
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BrotherDeath (05/22/2012) [-] One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.
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tomob (05/22/2012) [-]
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wertq ONLINE (05/22/2012) [+]
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Fuck you and your dog. I'm tired of this shit, how did it even get here? It's not even trying to be funny, yet another load of shit on the fan.
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ktulu (05/22/2012) [+]
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if ter no god how cum tide gos in end tide gos out. Cnt explein dat.
Christiens: 1
Aetheists: 0
Christiens: 1
Aetheists: 0
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zadrootrebor **User deleted account** (05/22/2012) [+]
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i know what i am going to say is extrmely controversial, and i am sure some of you might believe me and some will just ignore me. I dont know how to start I will just say it: OP is a faggot.
