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yourtouchvdeath (05/11/2012) [-] 
Pro gun control people have got to be the biggest idiots I have ever come across
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Chuckaholic (05/11/2012) [-] Until you have idiot control you need better gun control. That's undeniable. There are far too many gun related crimes due to mentally instable people getting guns. Have more restriction on who can get guns, what's wrong with that?
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stagecrew (05/11/2012) [-] Guns are controlled very well as it is. Extensive licensing to sell and transfer guns, waiting periods, extensive background checks for each purchase made. The problem isn't the people that are buying them legally (i.e. the ones that obey the gun control laws in the first place) but rather the ones that ignore the law and do what they want.
In short, gun control doesn't stop crime because criminals, by definition, don't follow the law.
In short, gun control doesn't stop crime because criminals, by definition, don't follow the law.
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BeardOfJesus (05/11/2012) [-] the outlaws continue to buy guns from black market vendors, and the good samaritans are the only ones who have to suffer from the gun control laws, look up prohibition, when we outlawed alchohol criminals took control of the alchohol market and rose to power over good samaritans. it's like punishing everyone who was in the bank for the robbery, and it's getting us nowhere.
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parto (05/11/2012) [-] so banning =/= regulating?
am I missing something? I haven't payed much attention to the whole gun-politics thingy, but it seems obvious that owning a gun should never be a right, but something you prove yourself to be capable of wielding and using only for self defence. its like a drivers-licens, you have to EARN it.
but yes, when people say ''guns dont kill, people do'' they do have a point. the problem is that everyone seems to think they either have to go ''BOMBOMB GUNS ARE BAD ALL GUNS BAD ,DONT HAVE GUNS'' or ''BOMBOMB WE NEED GUNS OR WE DIEEEEEE''.
just find a middle ground jesus christ..
am I missing something? I haven't payed much attention to the whole gun-politics thingy, but it seems obvious that owning a gun should never be a right, but something you prove yourself to be capable of wielding and using only for self defence. its like a drivers-licens, you have to EARN it.
but yes, when people say ''guns dont kill, people do'' they do have a point. the problem is that everyone seems to think they either have to go ''BOMBOMB GUNS ARE BAD ALL GUNS BAD ,DONT HAVE GUNS'' or ''BOMBOMB WE NEED GUNS OR WE DIEEEEEE''.
just find a middle ground jesus christ..
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subarumaster (05/11/2012) [-] You do earn it in a sense. When buying a gun, you are asked certain questions about what you plan to do with the gun. You basically end up signing a contract that the gun is strictly for you. Breaking any of those questions is a Federal crime.
People who have Felony crimes are also revoked the right to bear arms.
People who have Felony crimes are also revoked the right to bear arms.
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parto (05/11/2012) [-]
but why is it only ''in a sense?'' shouldnt it be at least as strict as when you want a drivers license? this is far away from prohibiting it. the problem it seems, is that in america, owning a gun is considered a HUMAN right, even when it clearly isn't and never should be..
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subarumaster (05/11/2012) [-] It is a basic human right to defend yourself and the country in the time of invasion.
Driving is a privilege
Like I said, people that have done Felony crimes are deemed unworthy to own a firearm and that right is revoked.
Driving is a privilege
Like I said, people that have done Felony crimes are deemed unworthy to own a firearm and that right is revoked.
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parto (05/11/2012) [-]
I understand what you mean by right to defend yourself and all that.
But a gun is a technically advanced weapon with the possibilty of killing dousins of people in a matter of minutes. making something that potentially dangerous a HUMAN right is just plain wrong IMO.
If you exagerate a little on that logic, keeping grenades and bombs in your bedroom closet is also a human right, seeing as it can be used in self defense.I am well aware that this is an extreme example, but I believe you understand my point.
Driving is a privilege, something you prove yourself worthy of doing, because if someone who shouldnt be driving drives, you could end up with a lot of people hurt/killed.
the same should be said for guns.
But a gun is a technically advanced weapon with the possibilty of killing dousins of people in a matter of minutes. making something that potentially dangerous a HUMAN right is just plain wrong IMO.
If you exagerate a little on that logic, keeping grenades and bombs in your bedroom closet is also a human right, seeing as it can be used in self defense.I am well aware that this is an extreme example, but I believe you understand my point.
Driving is a privilege, something you prove yourself worthy of doing, because if someone who shouldnt be driving drives, you could end up with a lot of people hurt/killed.
the same should be said for guns.
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parto (05/12/2012) [-]
because people are stupid, and there are way more people driving at all times than there is people wailling guns. i see your point, but I dont see why having strict regulation is bad for people who aren't retarded enough to pass some tests or get proper training..
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subarumaster (05/12/2012) [-] Less cars in the world than guns, more people being responsible with guns than cars, yet still wants to restrict guns. Sounds contradictory but let's take this in another angle.
Basically we are discussing what the U.S. defines as human rights, and you are saying people need to be tested to make sure they can have that right. I would agree also as long as it applies to all Amendments, not just the 2nd. I hate the fact that you can live in a cave and not know a damn thing about what is going on in the world but yet can still vote(which will be whoever had the prettiest ads) This will never fly because a simple fact that minorities will claim whites are messing with the system.
Basically we are discussing what the U.S. defines as human rights, and you are saying people need to be tested to make sure they can have that right. I would agree also as long as it applies to all Amendments, not just the 2nd. I hate the fact that you can live in a cave and not know a damn thing about what is going on in the world but yet can still vote(which will be whoever had the prettiest ads) This will never fly because a simple fact that minorities will claim whites are messing with the system.
