Woah, check out all the butthurt in this thread.

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Lol, Eurofags still think they have any choice about what goes on in the world.


Have fun being owned by the IMF and the World Bank, faggot.

I understand why you would think that. You're from Australia. Everything's upside down there.

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I love living in America. But I can't help but compare to other countries.
In my homeland, the Netherlands, gay ppl can marry and you can smoke weed if you want. (I don't personally)
In China, there is no limit on drinking age.
I'm not saying that these freedoms are good, but they are freedoms that we don't have in America.

I actually do not blame our government for what has become of us, I blame the moral and common sensual decline of the average American. So many people want to sue others just because they step onto their lawns or just because they got a little coffee spilled on them. In return, the government began setting up a system which protected these pansy's.

That's one of the things I hate the most about this country, is that a burglar could get hurt on your property, sue you, and win. I have no clue how the judges, and jury were even considered on cases like that.

I agree. America is pretty much the only country where the people are so sue-happy. It isn't conducive to an orderly society when everyone, even doctors, are subject to fears of being sued.

When used properly, a lawsuit is a warning to do it right the first time. If you fuck up someone's surgery, you are totally responsible.

Yeah. But I feel nowadays it's used for selfish reasons more than for fair reasons. I get suing a company for refusing to let black ppl in their stores or something. But suing because you fell on someone's property? Not cool.

That's fucking stupid. People need to use some goddamn common sense. You shouldn't have to sue McDonald's because you're too fucking lazy and/or stupid to cover your coffee.

This is what would happen if we lived in a truly free place, with no rules or justice, no government, no social restrictions... We'd turn against each other and become paranoid, power-thirsty savages.

I don't think so, actually. It's human nature to want order. So eventually, we would just make another government. It's a cycle that's repeated throughout history for a long time

That's exactly what Lord of the Flies is...
These kids get stranded on an island. They get along at first, all content with no real rules or government established, but after a while their human nature takes over, and they begin fighting and even killing for power. Only one of them is sensible enough to stay bonded to democracy and order, and he nearly gets killed for it.

Yeah. I read Lord of the Flies. And I disagree. B/c there was a time when humans didn't have government. And guess what? We made governments. Just cuz it's in a book doesn't mean I have to agree

We have more liberties than we have ever had in the past.

Well, considering you guys sent man to the moon with the computing power of a digital watch and are incapable of doing it in the 21st century shows that America has changed.
I like what your country used to be, not what it has become.

I find it ironic that you say Americans don't live in a free country when you have the freedom to say you don't live in a free country.

Well guess what, the United States is a big ass country. it's expected to have the highest of something b/c there is more land for people to live on and people to put in the prisons.

I call it the "Big Ass Country" Theory of statistics

have you considered China?

is there more than one big ass country? answer is yes.

Thats due to the prison system we have. We have a "warehouse" type system. We gave up trying to rehabilitate people because it wasnt working. The government decided to just start giving longer prison sentences and less opportunity for parole. We dont necessarily imprison more people, we just keep them there for much longer.

I spose it beats how it is in England where you can get like 2 years for rape. Sick fucks should be banged up for life.

Neither way is perfect. Or even good for that matter. That picture/fact is slanted a little bit, and makes it sound a lot worse than it is, and it always annoys me. Just as an example, while in England its about 2 years, in the USA, while its up to the discretion of the judge, some rape offenses max out at 15, while others carry a potential life sentence. That's why we have so many people in prison; we dont let them out

The way it should be for crimes as despicable as that dude. Murder can be justified, rape can't, ever!

Are you saying you would rather be murdered than raped? Being raped would be a horrible experience no doubt, but it's still possible to recover. It's kind of hard to recover from being murdered.

I personally wouldn't but I imagine many women would see it differently.

i think he was saying murder can be justified if it's in self defense or something.

'MERICA
FUK YEAH

quit being butthurt because america is awesome

You can say what you want about this country...
and I love this place...

I love the freedoms we used to have...

of course you had to come in, free thumbs right?? faggot, suck a dick

I'm sorry for replying to someone...?

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Hey, you did it too.

You must get a lot of abuse for having purple text.

I'd say it's made me more noticeable. But I get more "abuse" because of how much I comment.

It is ok, if you get famous there are always critics.

i think what i love most about fj is that someone is always thinking what i'm thinking

I'm American and I agree with you. Our views and beliefs are constantly being suppressed, the Government no longer cares what we think. They do what they want, when they want. Not many people get a say anymore and it's pretty sad. Not only that, hardly any of us accept others for who they are which really disappoints me.

I'm fond for my country for my own reasons, but there are always flaws that lead me to dislike living here. I'm neutral with living in the United States.

You could live in North Korea, Congo, or Sudan.

EH HEM', Fucking christian based nation. That is all.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess living in one of the highest economic countries in the world with one of the smallest disease and hunger rates wasn't good enough for you. The government should sit you down and listen to everything you want so it's your way.

Everyone wants something different, the government can't just go change everything on a 51% vs 49% opinion every time, we would be in more debt than we are...

Quit your whining, if you have time to go on the internet instead of search for food, you're life in America is just fine.

my thoughts exactly, maybe we are a country of idiots if we can't be grateful for all the super nice things we have, I don't think the U.S.A is the best, but definitely better than some other places.

The government isn't supposed to change anything on a 51%-49% opinion. The Founders said the majority would lead us off a cliff, so there are no "simple majorities" in the government.

Actually, America has a a crazy high poverty rate. And worse education than many other developed countries.

Not saying the USA sucks to live in. But it's not the paradise that everyone thinks it is.

I think my education is pretty good. And yes, we do have a high poverty rate. Thanks to all the hardcore liberals who get off to the idea of spending money.

Hey man, don't drag politics in. That's not cool and totally uncalled for.

But since you brought it up, social programs that offer things like medical exams and temporary housing to homeless people is a good thing, and gives those people an opportunity to pull out of poverty. So I don't understand why you think the government spending money to help people makes them poorer...

And, people became the most poor after this economic crisis, which started near the end of a REPUBLICAN's term. Not pointing fingers, I'm just saying that liberals aren't the only ones you should blame for poverty.

The government is spending money we don't have. That's the problem. I say liberals because they are the ones who support federal spending on entitlements and stuff like housing for the poor to begin with.

The government spending money we don't have didn't actually start with the liberals. In fact, it started in the late 1700's with the introduction of Alexander Hamilton's financial plan. It's the way our government works, and yeah, it's not working right now.
But you know, another thing that really contributes to government overspending is the military. Our military is spending ridiculous amounts of money on stuff that we don't need. Entering the Iraq War (not a liberal's decision) cost us money. Even the EU thought that entering Iraq was a dumb idea.
Just, you know, throwing out some things that detract from the idea that liberals are the root of all the nation's problems. Things are more complicated than that.
BTW, I can understand where you're coming from, because the news does censor a lot of Americans' information, so you might not know what I'm talking about. So I thumbed up your post that had red thumbs :)

I never said they were the root of our problems.

"we do have a high poverty rate. Thanks to all the hardcore liberals who get off to the idea of spending money. "

>implying liberals were the ones who first started spending money.

But whatever. I feel this conversation is starting to go in circles

Probably. I'm sorry for any misconceptions. I was implying that liberals were PART of the problem, but I did not mean to say they were responsible for ALL of it.

Well then, it seems you are more reasonable than I thought. I suppose I could agree with you a little ^-^

For one of the most populous of the developed countries, it's pretty damn nice. Crazy high poverty rate? Probably guess we give so much of our own damn food and resources to places like Africa instead of helping ourselves, which annoys me.
Worse education? False, dumber people. Because of our higher standard of living, people tend to brush education aside and act like general dumbasses.

Second one is my opinion, but I agree with you for the most part.

We and the UK have the best colleges in the world. O-o;

Guess you're talking about grade schools though.

As far as education goes, while dumb ppl might be part of the problem, another thing is that public schools are funded based on the wealth of the sorrounding area. So inner city kids get worse schools than kids in rich areas. Also, Americans have shorter school years.
Another thing is that it's difficult in America to fire crappy teachers.

Don't know why I'm getting thumbed down. I love living in America. I'm just saying it's not perfect, just like any other place.

I'm not thumbing down, I just want to have a friendly conversation with you.

To be honest, I was born in a very poor area where I went to school from K-7th grade. The whole time I had all A's. I'm not a Junior with a 4.0 GPA in a "rich kid" school, I'm taking 2 AP classes, and I'm doing just fine. However, you're right. Alot of kids from my school ended up doing drugs and starting a steady decline to failure. I guess I left just in time when my dad got promoted to a manager position for his department.

But yeah, you're right. That's probably why African Americans are so far off, I'm going to "greentext" it to make it easier to explain:
>Africans enjoy end of slavery
>Very poor, shitty jobs
>End up in inner city areas together to help eachother eventually
>Areas have poor, jobless citizens
>Results in poor, low quality schools
>African Americans have insufficient education, end up stealing and commiting crimes or doing drugs to escape the pain of a "low life"
>African Americans now are apx. 17% of our population but commit apx. 75% of all crimes.

That's a very well constructed argument. Yeah, I currently live in a very affluent area and I rarely see poverty, so when I read articles about how much poorer black people tend to be, it shocks me. I do think there is a flaw in the system that hurts many black people.

I have had the opportunity to see differences in public schools though. I went to a middle school in a very poor area, and it was incredibly easy for me. I pulled straight A's with little to no effort at all. I felt like a genius. But my high school is in a much more affluent area, and I'm struggling to have A's and B's. Everybody takes AP classes, and the expectations are so much higher. I feel much less intelligent in this school.

I commend you for taking AP classes. They are such a pain.

Wow, yeah, that sucks. The library thing.

And yeah, as far as AP classes go, I would put that much effort in them, but there are too many. I'm in AP Spanish, US History, English, Physics, and Chinese. Pretty much all of my classes. There's comes a time when you learn to be satisfied with a B, cuz you just don't have enough time for everything.

I couldn't do that... 2/3 of a prop for you sir, but that's too much for me. I still have to worry about my honors classes, what's your state GPA out of curiosity? In South Carolina, Mine's a 5.36 or so.

In my area, GPA is given to us on a 4.0 scale. I have a 3.7. I think when you apply to university they give you a boosted GPA if you were in honors/AP courses though. So I'm not 100% sure

anyone who throws words like "anarchist" "communist" and "socialist" around like flower petals at a wedding is a complete idiot.

>Person has a negative view on their government
>Instantly labeled "anarchist"
>Fuck you

When I feel racist, I come to the Internet!

Ikr? I wanna be able to go around spewing whatever racist slander I like.

That's because your fucking government ravaged the middle east apart for oil, if you had not been taking the oil, the country there could have thrived and would not have been living in the poverty that you caused.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about...yeah, we did attack them, yes, we made it worse, but that region's condition has been shit for sooo long.

You don't seem to understand that I didn't do anything, my government did. Stop saying "you" I didn't do anything.

Wouldn't the USA paying them for oil help them with their money problems? I'm fairly sure most of their poverty was caused by their own government not giving a shit about it's people... correct me if I'm wrong, I don't like economics.

Sure , but it seems like that the countries that have oil can't really even decide whether to sell oil to US or not.

Somebodies rustled. Plus, we are suffering to how free you were, and not the state you were left in.

And no, we didn't go in just because of "oil hunting". Terrorist attacks, humanitarian and UN pressure, suspicion of nuclear programs, and so on. Regardless of which ones were most dominant. The middle east, as well as anyone else, should count their blessings and not their curses any (Just how like we need to here in America). So your economy is suckish because of the breakdown of terrorist regimes and changes in government. Go cry to Greece, they are much worse off. Plus, not all middle eastern countries are poor. I mean, Christ, UAE's Dubai is rolling in cash. Don't whine, be proactive

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* referring not suffering. Fucking spell check

Kinda hard to get worse than a bombed out house with nothing but a goat to your name.

Don't even get started about the women.

you could have a dead goat.

meat AND sex? sounds like a great evening.

That's not true. I don't remember the last time someone called this country either "The land of the free" or "the best country in the world".

people call the united states the best country in the world constantly.

How bout every national anthem ever?

I'm sorry but Freind? Someone needs to fix that for my OCD senses are tingling

have fun

why thumbing me down ?

i gave him one without the grammer error -.-

awesome