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fagbagzag (05/03/2012) [-]
Not trying to sound like a Christian asshole, but when i was younger(In high school) I was having problems with my actually believing God and the purpose of the religion.
Someone told me just the opposite of this, they said
Instead of risking going to hell or whatever why not have faith in some religion(not just Christianity), because in the end if there turns out to be a God of your faith you'd go to heaven, but if you don't have faith in anything and there's a God then you're screwed, so why not take the risk of having faith instead of none at all, because in the end if there is no God or afterlife nothing happens.
Someone told me just the opposite of this, they said
Instead of risking going to hell or whatever why not have faith in some religion(not just Christianity), because in the end if there turns out to be a God of your faith you'd go to heaven, but if you don't have faith in anything and there's a God then you're screwed, so why not take the risk of having faith instead of none at all, because in the end if there is no God or afterlife nothing happens.
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hebs (05/03/2012) [-] Its called pascal's wager and it fails on every single level. just because you believe in one god wont save you from the hell of another god. if this is your one and only life then every minute and every cent you spend on religion is a waste. plus if god was all knowing he would know your just trying to cover your ass so you would go to hell anyway.
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fagbagzag (05/03/2012) [-]
That's not the point at all. What I'm getting at there is that it's better to have faith in something because you'd have a better chance of getting into heaven than having no chance at all. Also I didn't state that you should pretend to have a religion, that you should actually have full faith in one.
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hebs (05/03/2012) [-] i am saying if that is your only reason in believing its a bad one. plus faith is believing in something with out prof. witch is the dumbest thing i ever herd. i care if my beliefs are true and will not believe in anything because of fear. plus if in that 1 in a 100000000000000 chance there is a god then would he send we to hell for not believing even if i have been a good person all my life. because if he would i wouldn't want to go heaven anyways. not to mention that there is evidence everywhere saying the idea of god is just made up bullshit
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katsovon (05/03/2012) [-]
Because what you're saying is that you can choose what you believe. If someone has decided that they do not believe in God then they cannot change that. They would simply be living a faux life of religion in order to hedge their bets that they will get into heaven if there is a God. Surely an omniscient being would know that there was no true devotion and that the following was against your beliefs and purely for personal gain which i can't imagine a God allowing a person into heaven for.
tl;dr can't choose to believe something that you don't because the outcome is better if it's true
tl;dr can't choose to believe something that you don't because the outcome is better if it's true
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katsovon (05/03/2012) [-]
Sorry if i wasn't 100% clear, i understand that this is what you believe in, and I was simply putting an answer to your question about as you put it 'being better to have faith than not' from my point of view (without attempting to tell you that you are wrong for having faith, simply the reasons why I, and others do not). I understand your point but from mine, if deep down i don't believe, however much i'd like to hope there is a heaven, i can't have faith and i can't change what i don't believe in because i'd like it to be true
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fagbagzag (05/03/2012) [-]
That's understandable. I don't see an issue there, all I see is that you have a valid reason not to believe in something. You put your faith into that. I respect you because you see it as impossible to happen. probably in the same way I don't believe in the big bang. It's all the same really, we just have different opinions.
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funnyfox (05/03/2012) [-] That's called Pascals Wager and is not exactly the best reason to believe. There are millions of gods in thousands of religions and a single person bets on their particular god in a sea of "possible" gods. The odds are against you a billion to one. Same with everyone else.
Here is a very good video on the subject: http://www . youtube . com / watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU
It's quite interesting. And if you want your beliefs to support reality, then this is perfect.
Here is a very good video on the subject: http://www . youtube . com / watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU
It's quite interesting. And if you want your beliefs to support reality, then this is perfect.
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funnyfox (05/03/2012) [-] Don't you think that the almighty, all knowing god would know that you're just betting rather than being sincere? Wouldn't you rather use the short life you have searching for the real truth, rather than settling on a somewhat comforting illusion?
If you believe you are right, then you won't continue searching. And that is the saddest thing of all.
If you believe you are right, then you won't continue searching. And that is the saddest thing of all.
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funnyfox (05/03/2012) [-] Because faith, by nature, is believing something without evidence. That is foolish at best, dangerous at worst. If you just "take things on faith", then you are leaving yourself open to believe anything at all as long as it fits your preconceived narrative.
An open mind is good only when it is skeptical as well.
An open mind is good only when it is skeptical as well.
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fagbagzag (05/03/2012) [-]
I see where you're going here and no. I don't just believe some fact that's thron out I look into it before I give any belief to it. I am close minded in my religion because that is my faith, but it doesn't mean I'm not open minded to literally everything else.
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nichsell (05/03/2012) [-] The way I see it is, live your life the best you can. If there is no god than at least you lived your life good. If there is a God that will judge you based on faith, and not the actions of your life, than that is a unjust God and doesn't deserved to be praised. But if there is a God that will just judge your actions, and not your faith than that is a just God, and deserves to be praised.
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nichsell (05/03/2012) [-] I see what you mean about faith, but what I trying to say is in my opinion I would rather believe in a deity that would accept everyone than just a exclusive bunch of people. I've read some of your comments and it just (seems to me) that you are believing in something out of fear of going to hell.
Of course this is my opinion, so please don't take offense.
Also if you want to believe in a religion to find the 'right' one, why not look up religions older than Christianity. There are loads of them out there that have either died off or still living.
Of course this is my opinion, so please don't take offense.
Also if you want to believe in a religion to find the 'right' one, why not look up religions older than Christianity. There are loads of them out there that have either died off or still living.
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fagbagzag (05/03/2012) [-]
I totally agree with you. In the original post I didn't completely get my full argument out there and it didn't represent me that well. What I meant is that you should have full faith in something that you want to believe, not just to take the fear out of going to hell, but to find something you can relate to and understand. You have valid points on places in my argument that I didn't specify, and I thank you for being polite about it.
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nichsell (05/03/2012) [-] lol I've had my fair share of debates in my life, when I debate someone I want to know every angle of what that person believes in, before throwing a counter argument. I just make sure that both our views are opinionated and if we have any facts than you got to be able to back them up.
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N. Korean citizen (05/03/2012) [-]
Because belief is merit alone to guarantee entrance into the afterlife. Pretty shitty reasoning to me. If you don't limit yourself to one and just live a good life then who you believed in would be irrelevant. Best to just dump all down the drain. They aren't necessary to life.
