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#242
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I Am Monkey (04/30/2012) [-]
I know what to expect from the FJ community in terms of politics, but are none of you at all perturbed by the idea of a radical theocracy getting their hands on the power to wipe entire cities off face of the earth? Please, for the love of God hear me out.
For those that don't already know, the only thing keeping us from annihilating each other over the past half century is MAD; Mutually Assured Destruction. You nuke us, we nuke you. Nobody wants to get nuked. The fact that we're not living in an irradiated wasteland is proof of concept.
The fear here is that Iran is not a stable country and those nuclear weapons can easily fall into the wrong hands, either accidentally or intentionally. Then we're screwed. MAD doesn't work when there's no return address.
You might say "Yea, but the US has nukes. That makes you hypocrites". No it doesn't. We haven't objected when stable countries get nukes. Hell, we give nukes to stable nations like Belgium and Turkey. However, Iran is far from stable. They cling to control by gunning down protesters and jailing dissidents. If they successfully revolt you're going to end up with nuclear weapons up for grabs.
Do you really want to take that risk?
For those that don't already know, the only thing keeping us from annihilating each other over the past half century is MAD; Mutually Assured Destruction. You nuke us, we nuke you. Nobody wants to get nuked. The fact that we're not living in an irradiated wasteland is proof of concept.
The fear here is that Iran is not a stable country and those nuclear weapons can easily fall into the wrong hands, either accidentally or intentionally. Then we're screwed. MAD doesn't work when there's no return address.
You might say "Yea, but the US has nukes. That makes you hypocrites". No it doesn't. We haven't objected when stable countries get nukes. Hell, we give nukes to stable nations like Belgium and Turkey. However, Iran is far from stable. They cling to control by gunning down protesters and jailing dissidents. If they successfully revolt you're going to end up with nuclear weapons up for grabs.
Do you really want to take that risk?
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vanquishyjs (04/30/2012) [-]
Fuck you, the dollar is crashing, Europe is fucking buried in debt, and every fucking person in the USA is suspected to be a terrorist by the government. USA n Europe are on the brink of revolt, thats why the Department of Homeland Security is making millions of heavy duty plastic coffins and setting up FEMA camps all across USA. Also purchasing the biggest ammo stockade in US history and accompanying that with bulletproof guardhouse checkpoints. Don't fucking try to present an argument that would defeat itself.
Also from when did Israel become a "stable" nation? They got a fucking war going on on their doorstep, the Palestinian guys can effing blowup the whole place with one rocket aimed at their nuclear facilities.
MAD doesn't fucking work because there are people in this world who won't mind if a few of their cities are blown to shit, in fact it would help a lot with global population reduction which is one of the top shiz on the global agenda.
We are sitting with a timebomb up our asses, as long as there is ANY nation with nuclear weapons!
Also from when did Israel become a "stable" nation? They got a fucking war going on on their doorstep, the Palestinian guys can effing blowup the whole place with one rocket aimed at their nuclear facilities.
MAD doesn't fucking work because there are people in this world who won't mind if a few of their cities are blown to shit, in fact it would help a lot with global population reduction which is one of the top shiz on the global agenda.
We are sitting with a timebomb up our asses, as long as there is ANY nation with nuclear weapons!
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thacoletrain (04/30/2012) [-]
I actually don't think that iran would reason in a way like "Ha! I have finally freed my country of it's bad government! Now i will proceed to nuke other countries!". And i don't think either that they'll start nuking themselves if they want atleast something left of their country that isn't shot to bits (except some greenzones, wich are kept safe by military).
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omnomagon (04/30/2012) [-]
You do know that the soviets were unstable based on your definition, right? They were known for killing and imprisoning their own citizens yet somehow the US still kept relations with them. Also just food for thought, soviets were NEVER a threat to the US. Every time the US asserted themselves to the soviets, Stalin almost always backed down. Oh and they had 100000 of nukes as well. I don't think we should be worried about Iran. All this media propaganda is making it seem like they're all radical Islamist. They are NO Threat to our nationalize security. America is probably just butt hurt since they were able to overthrow the shaw back in the 60s (the shaw is the evil dictator that the US put in power in the 60s)
Yea, Russia stole our nuclear secrets and look what happened; the world lived in terror for decades. We almost glassed the each other on more than one occasion. Do you really want to relive that?
You're assuming that Iran would adhere to MAD the way that Russia did.
Iran fails every qualification of MAD;
-No "rogue states" will develop nuclear weapons
Iran is officially deemed a Rogue State
-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
Their government is run by Islam. A religion who's radicals are characterized by martyrdom. If one general subscribed to this theology he could initiate nuclear war.
-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
Nope.
You're assuming that Iran would adhere to MAD the way that Russia did.
Iran fails every qualification of MAD;
-No "rogue states" will develop nuclear weapons
Iran is officially deemed a Rogue State
-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
Their government is run by Islam. A religion who's radicals are characterized by martyrdom. If one general subscribed to this theology he could initiate nuclear war.
-All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects
Nope.
The technology isn't there to create a practical missile shield.
Furthermore, making nuclear weapons obsolete would just lead to another cold war/arms race. Nukes are what prevented the Soviet Union and the United States from going to war with one another. Nukes are the reason why since WWII, there hasn't been a conflict between two major powers.
Furthermore, making nuclear weapons obsolete would just lead to another cold war/arms race. Nukes are what prevented the Soviet Union and the United States from going to war with one another. Nukes are the reason why since WWII, there hasn't been a conflict between two major powers.
In a perfect world, that would happen. But in real life, there would be a scum bag steve who doesn't jump in with everybody, and takes that seat of "Only person in the world with nukes" throne. Then everyone is fucked but scum bag steve land residents.
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otisclay (04/30/2012) [-]
Thats entirely idealistic and is never going to happen, you think every country would agree to that? By your thought process, why dont we just destroy all guns and weapons in general while we're at it. Thats the kind of stuff that hippie's say. And remember, no one likes hippies.
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reacher (04/30/2012) [-]
Afghanistan instead of Saudia Arabia, or weapons of mass destruction. How many times can you be fooled? What about North Korea? Or Pakistan selling how to nuclear kits to the highest bidder. Iran has never attacked any nation, and Ahmadinejad never said he was going to `wipe Israel off the map``, It was a garbage translation. Iran is no angel state, but I will take Irans track record over Americas of late any day of the year.
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
except almost every arab nation wants to destroy israel. What people dont understand about WMDs is they think nukes. they also include biological and chemical weapons such as cern gas which iraq used before on its own people thats why we went in. everyone seems to act like america is out shooting little kids in the face for recreation. and i mean as a general order not the psychos who go out and do it themselves we make sure those fuckers are taken care of. sure we have our flaws but we dont have the intent to annihilate an entire people just because they are there
im sorry whens the last time an american soldier killed an iraqi? all of the iraqis getting killed are by insurgents in the rare cases iraqis are killed by americans its as collateral damage in the goal to kill insurgents or people trying to kill him. no where near millions were killed by us
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inkydot (04/30/2012) [-]
i mean yes. i don't blame or hate the people of iran. im not sure about the garbage translation thing. id never considered the possibility it had been though i dont think it was. you cant judge people by their leader. so ill just say i would trust the usa over iran with nukes because of the leader. also, nice quote