Piracy

Nice try asshole, I rolled those dubs last week. Give me all your thumbs.

companies trying to sue piratebay in a nut shell

Thank you for pointing this out. It's stealing ideas and it's stealing work.

Finally someone else who understands!

although i agree.. i'm not gonna stop.

I'm going to use video games as an example:

I'm new to town, have never heard of you and have never tried your bread. You came out with a new formula for your amazing sourdough bread. The thing is, I have no clue if it will suit my taste or not, it could be that I just waste my time and money by buying your bread.

So, I come to your store, copy your bread, and taste it. It tastes horrible so I throw it out and no one loses anything. If it tasted amazing, well, I'll be sure to come back for more of your bread, hell, if I enjoyed it enough I might throw my copied bread out and buy the real deal.

Not only that, but when you sell your bread, YOU are also making copies and giving it out. You end up not losing anything since you still possess it.

Furthermore, you're making the assumption that we will buy your bread anyways. Maybe I see that prices are too high or I just don't want your bread enough, maybe I'd rather get a muffin instead. I would never buy your bread unless I could get it for free. So, you end up losing nothing from me anyway, I just get your bread for free despite not wanting it in the first place.

**alanthewhite rolls 449,281,588**
I lose time, effort, and money spent on ingredients every time you copy my bread.
When people sell things, they never expect it to be bought, they only hope.
I do not need the bread. I need the money.
I lose money every time you copy my bread.
That is counterproductive to the very definition.
Rentals.
Samples.
Bread.

You don't lose the money, you just don't gain anything.

People who want the product will buy it, those who never wanted it won't. Those who don't want it, can just pirate it and play around with it, taste it a bit, but wouldn't buy it regardless.

Those who want it might buy it just to test it, see if they like it. If they do, they'll come back and buy the actual bread and any other delicacies you might have.

Some people don't have the money to pay 60 dollars for a loaf of bread, so they copy it and have something to eat instead of starving of boredom.

There's also a problem with service. Those who live in your town will buy it because they can just cross the street and get it. But the people in the town a few miles away will have to wait days for your bread to reach them and pay more because their currency is different. It's not convenient and, if they really want it, they'd rather just copy your bread from a friend.

Needless to say, there are those who pirate and never look back. But if your product is good enough, people will pay right off the bat, and people will taste your bread and then vote it worthy before purchasing it.

In the end, you don't lose anything, you just don't gain anything from the people who would never buy anything from you in the first place due to inconvenience or having never tried your product. The others will come around to paying you for your bread anyways.

Also, for music, a ton of money comes from live concerts and advertisements and such.

Promotion. Pass it on via word of mouth. Not to mention many of us end up buying the games after we get a true feel for it/buy products from the company later on down the road because we enjoyed their other products.

Mass Effect 1 I pirated. Loved it, ended up buying 2 and 3.

Pirated DA:O, loved it, bought it. Pirated DA2 hated it, deleted and never tried again.

No one loses anything, I ended up paying for all the games I liked and I got a few friends to buy Mass Effect too.

In the end, someone who'd never have bought any of the games ended up buying 3/5 of the games tested and a further 2 more were sold via word of mouth who might end up buying more from the company later on.

They didn't lose anything. If I had never tested out the first Dragon Age game,, I wouldn't have bought it at all. They'd have never gotten the 120 dollars from me. In total, I gave them 120 dollars and 2 more customers. Without testing it, they'd never have gotten both.

Plus, I got ME 1 and 2 when they were both 30 dollars. So I paid 90/120 dollars.

I'd say that's a great deal for them. Allow a person to test a game and become a customer for life. Played one game, ended up buying it and 2 others as well as getting 2 others to potentially buy more than 1.

I'd say pirating is akin to the Humble Bundle. Many indie developers who would never get noticed get the rep they deserve. People pay very little for their games, enjoy it, and end up purchasing later games by the same people. People then tell their friends to try this game out, they try it, they get hooked, etc...

That's saying all those people would have bought it in the first place.

Let's say Game A comes out. No one knows if it's any good.

50 people buy it outright of the 100 present. 25 don't want to buy it or won't buy it until they know they will like it. 25 have no clue the game exists.

The first 50 buy it and everyone's happy. The other 25 copy the games from one of the 50. They play it. 10 find it boring and bad and delete it. No one gains or loses anything here since if it weren't free, they wouldn't have bought it to try in the first place. The other 15 loved it. 10 ended up buying the games, replacing the pirated versions. They tell their 25 other friends about it, curious, 10 buy the game right away, the others pirate it and give it a test run. So, now, 90/100 people have played the game. We'll say 20 of the 40 new ones end up buying it, that's 40 new customers and 40 * 60 = 2400 dollars the company would never have gotten. Key word is "never". Those 40 wouldn't have bought it if they couldn't have tested it.

Now company A comes out with a new game, game B. Seeing how they enjoyed Game A so very much, now 90 people of the 100 buy it.

The key thing here is that many people would never buy a game because they don't know if they like it. 60 dollars is a lot of money. If I end up hating a game, that's 60 bucks gone.

Basically, the company goes from 50 fans who pay to 90. Word of mouth will keep spreading.

Using me as an example: I would never have bought Dragon Age or Mass Effect without trying it first. They would have lost nothing if I hadn't pirated it, but they end up gaining money because I did and ended up buying more from them.

You're seeing it as if I didn't Pirate I'd buy it. Not the case, if I never pirated it, I'd never have known if it was worth my money. I'd never have bout ME2, ME3, or DA:O.

No. 100 people try it, those who hate it don't buy it. Those who like it, there are those who won't ever buy the game, but many of us end up buying it and more.

The point is. If I never tried ME1, I'd never have gotten 2 and 3. They'd end up not gaining 90 dollars.

Also, they didn't LOSE 30 dollars from me not buying ME1, they just never gained it. But, let's say they do lose 30... they gained 90 from me anyways so it's still a 60 dollar profit they'd never have gotten if I never pirated in the first place.

Think of all the people that did what I did... it adds up.

here is catch, there is legal way to try out game.
Rental for $2-5 depend where you rent from
Demo/trial - not always have but is free.
you can't justify piracy with this excuse.

And, it is a normal for person to risk their money on unknown thing. it can be a food, movie, car or computer. It don't limit to Video games. Reason we focus on video game because of internet. Internet just amplify what is already there.

Believe it or not, my budget is limited. I have no spending money aside from getting food and I'm in St. Louis attending college. Not really anywhere nearby for game rentals. On top of that, all my savings from summer jobs have gone towards my school supplies and my parents aren't giving me any money for "leisure". Thus, pirating.

It's also normal for people to want to save money and NOT risk things. I never risk anything unless I have a backup plan or chances are heavily in my favor.

I also have to add that piracy is huge for promotion. Everytime someone pirates, they'll pass on their findings via word of mouth on how good your product is. Word of mouth is and always will be the best form of advertisement.

I dont trust you, pedobear

Wait a sec,you're using a nigger pic and the other guy is a thief?

MY GOD! SOMEONE WITH SENSE!

You just restored a little faith in humanity in me. Honestly, pirates aren't always bad. I dont AGREE with you, but at least you recognize what your doing isn't right, and frankly that's all I can ask. You realize the situation, and you make a decision at least knowing what you're doing. You're a good man.

'preciate it, buddy. Thumb for you

No one's saying we have a right to do so or that its the right thing to do. We're just saying it is different from theft, and it is.

It's not. It's copyright infringement.

Copyright: The right to make copies of something.

Imagine you make your money making and selling cars. Instead of buying from you, someone copies your cars and drives them anyway. They've stolen from you. Period.

No seeing as I still have my car he's stolen nothing from me. Nor has he stolen from the company. If anything copyright infringement is more closely related to counterfeiting than theft.

Well played, Anon...well played.

I'll have to look that one up lol. Nah when I came up with this I was having a pretty tough time, well I saw it as one being in high school and all. The name just kinda stuck.

I never pirate games.
I mostly refuse to play emulators except in the case of games that have long since stopped selling.
And it's really the anime and videogame industry I'm concerned about.
I really don't care about music or hollywood movies.
People will keep making music and popular movies, games on the other hand...
I don't even LIKE playing online games or having DLC, I usually try to avoid games that might include connecting to the internet in general.

Oh totally, just like LJN deserved all that money from making mostly shitty games. And just like Lucas deserves all the millions and millions of cash he gets from simply re-releasing the same movies everyone that owns anyway go to see.

Well, yes, he does, because if people want it, and buy it, he deserves it for choosing to do what he did to get the money.
But if you download something someone made that's "stupid" or "crappy" or "not worth your money" then why download it?

That's not the issue on hand, the issue is that who knows if its bad without a review? You can't review an item without having it. Someone somewhere loses money on something that turns out to not be what they wanted, is it their fault? Is it the fault of others? No. Its the fault of companies charging absurd prices for generic entertainment. Most piracy can be fixed by price reductions and having in depth demos.

am i stealing their money? NO. will they gain any money? NO. Its like i was never even there.


If they want money how about getting a real job other than cheap japanese anime shows.

Yes, you are stealing the money of people you pirate from.
Like you'd know anything about having a real job that doesn't include flipping burgers.

I'd love to see you act like a cocky brat to someone in person, it would be hilarious to watch your face be smashed in.

Actually, if you were educated on the subject matter, you'd know that its not Intellectual Property Theft that causes most legal action to be taken on file hosters. On the people who download it, it currently is not illegal. You know why? Because to make it illegal, they would have to make even listening to a song, or video with copyright anywhere online in the States illegal, because every computer copies the digital code of everything it views and stores it into a temporary memory bank.

In short, everyone is a criminal and hypocrite if it were truly illegal, and the thousands of pirates that companies and others have traced through Peer to Peer, would all be in court or behind bars.

Don't question my education on the matter when you haven't even made direct reference to anything I stated. Where did I even mention anything about it being illegal? that's not the reason people shouldn't pirate everything.

The point I was getting at, which you have clearly not read, was that it's wrong to pirate something and then use the excuse "nobody's losing anything", when in fact, they are, because you are taking the service they provided without paying. I never said at ANY point anything about it being illegal and people going to jail for it. I said it's wrong to take and pretend like you aren't taking, because piracy causes someone to lose.

Sorry, but I'm afraid grammar is lost among ye youngsters of today. When I was growing up, I was taught theft is illegal. Therefore calling something theft is, in essence, saying its illegal here in the States. It seems more like you misused a term than I didn't read what you wrote.

OH NO GUYS.
I ACCIDENTALLY USED THE WRONG TERM TO CONVEY MY OWN POINT.
SOMEONE SHOOT ME IN THE FACE I REALLY MESSED UP AND THAT MEANS THE THING I WAS GETTING AT MUST BE TOTALLY INVALID.

Get your head out of your own ass.
The thing I was getting at is still valid, I don't know why you're picking a fight.

Here: By pirating you are preventing the gain of money that rightfully belongs to the person you pirated from.

Is that good enough for you?
No?
Don't care.
Here's a creepy .gif.

Looks like you forgot the .gif.. I'm not picking a fight anymore than you. I'm merely stating about my knowledge on the matter. I'm not the one saying things like "I'd love to see you act like a cocky brat to someone in person, it would be hilarious to watch your face be smashed in. " or "Get your head out of your own ass. ". I'm trying to be nice about it all.

it was never even there? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THEY SPENT MAKING THE CONTENT YOU FUCKHEAD?!

Piracy pretty much just means that the celebrities now can't afford a chandelier in their private jets.

i didn't say i agreed with it i said his logic was flawed

Imagine you are the head of a corporation that makes billions a year. Somebody pirates something of yours. Did you notice it?

Imagine you are an employee of a small company that spent a lot of time, money, and effort to create a game. The game releases and has a 90% piracy rate (ie: World of Goo), you definitely notice it. Many people like the game you created, only problem is, you lost money. No money = no more company. no more company = no more games created by that company.

i didn't say i was morally opposed to it just that his metaphor was flawed
also its not just one person its every person
imagine if you are a forest and someone cuts down a tree did you notice
probably not but if the entire fucking planet just cuts down one tree thats a lot of fuckin trees

Yes I understand, but it's not the entire world pirating.

fine most of the population that the company expects to buy its cd's

Well, reposting it DOES emphasize its point...

how , its not a physical copy of the game , most of big pirates like razor1911 buy the game with the money they got from ads on their website and then just copy the game, crack it(still figuring out how they do that) and they upload it , so they are basically just sharing their game with us , its like you borrowing a game to your friend

Finally, someone who understands how economy (and the world overall, I hope) works! Thank you!

maybe borrowing to your friend was not the best example . but the value doesn't go down because its not a physical copy and its not the full version(most of today's game have multiplayer which is not available with pirated games)

See it more like this: You sell lemonade, and ofcourse you want people to buy your lemonade so you earn money to make more lemonade. But then someone buys one glass of lemonade, copys that (ofc i know you can't just copy stuff like that but just pretend now, ok.) and gives away for free. You still have your lemonade but no one buys it because they can get the same lemonade for free. Meaning you won't earn any money at all from that point forward.