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Fucking lobbies, they piss me off!

True that
I mean, look me in the eye (metaphorically) and tell me you don't want to explore space.

I am from Norway, and my goal in life is to be an astronaut. Everyone I've ever told it to has laughed in my face and said I'm never going to make it. Most likely i won't but if I do my first word when I stand on Mars will be something like: "To all those people whom did not believe in me. Fuck you, I'm on Mars." That would be awesome, but fucking hard to accomplice.

you can do it, you have an awsome profile pic

I can, and I will! And I will! Yeah, this dog describes me pretty much. And thus you also have an awesome avatar!

when you get there message me

I sure will! Just listen to the first people landing on Mars, and I wll give credit to articvenom, one of the only people whom believed in me.

bro you have to say this when you land on Mard: man if this ain't gonna get me pussy i giv up.

Damn that would be epic! hahaha

Fuck Yeah

Your first word should be "niggers" I'm sure you'd be the first man to be racist in space, and it would be fucking hilarious.

Either that or: "dickbutt" that would also be fun!

That it would. "huston, we have a dickbutt"

Haha, that would be awesome, and the only ones to understand it would be brothers from funnyjunk!

Tommel opp!

Takk mann! Alt for Norge!

Mange nordmenn her for tiden :)

Ja, er i grunn det. Bedre at de kommer hit en artige mener nå jeg. Har utviklet hat for den siden.

Enig. Artige suger.

Jeg tror mange blir skremt MLP-postene, og holder seg derfor til 9Gag/Artige. Huff.

Men det er jo der FunnyJunk suger, asså artige og 9fag er værre men bronies er faen meg noen irriterende oppmerksomhetshorer de og asså, minner meg og 12 år gammle jenter som akkuratt har fått mensen.

Enig! Det burde vært mulig å filtrere bort alt som har med MLP å gjøre.

Ja fyfaen, etter page 3 er det jo ikke vits lenger, vasser jo i masse unfunny mlp dritt posts.

Ja, ett filter hadde vært best. Det virker jo ikke som om det kommer til å slutte i nærmeste fremtid så...

Yeah, dør litt inni meg hver gang en av vennene mine viser meg noe derfra..

Hey mann, unrelated spørsmål; tror du at du kan bli astronaut viss du røyker mye hasj? (utifra profilen din)

Hater ikke, for all del go for it, men skulle trodd at de tok ryggmargsprøve før evt. opplæring.

Haha, vet nå ikke helt om det blir noe astronaut uansett, men er nå alltid verdt ett forsøk! Stoner-humor er bare artig syntes jeg, så kan jo virke som om jeg røyker, men nei. Haha.

Haha, you're missing out, selvom det vi får i Norge generelt sett er ganske dritt.

Yeah, har en del venner som røyker, så har skjønt det ikke er så altfor bra.

I'm aspiring to be an Astrophysicist, and if that fails I've always wanted to fall back onto being an Astronaut. We will both be graced with the privilege of landing on Mars.

Awesome! You know what would be even more awesome? If two people (us two) landed on Mars and the first flag we put up was the FJ logo!

Yeah! That'd be cool, the universe has always been the greatest area of fascination and intrigue for me.

Yeah, me too! I will never stop gazing up towards the stars. It seems to me this is the only place we can find hope and understand more about everything.

Exactly dude, it's the final frontier, and we need to begin it's conquering now. Good luck with your goals, bro.

Yes, that's true! From this day on, we will travel, to infinity and beyond! Good luck to you too bro! May the force be with you!

*its conquer



Excuse my grammar.

Grammar don't matter, no will notice that on Mars anyways.

Because lobbyists influence congress, they are only going to use their money to help companies and are short sighted they are ignorant and don't realize the future of our species is in space, we are in the cradle of humanity, but a baby cant stay in the cradle just as we cant stay on one planet.

Fuck NASA, DARPA is developing (and has a prototype) a material that grants invisibility.

No, but the flying jellyfish they developed might....
But don't forget all the classified shit in their archives, we don't know what they are really building...

Good idea, let's waste more billions of dollars on useless space misssions.

yes, lets flat out steal the rich's money and use it so when dumb bitches get pregnant the goverment will give them around 400 bucks a month to do nothing but raise their kids. Then IF the mother is responsible she will use that money to buy healthy food for her kids. People dont have jobs you say? lets give them equivalent to what someone would make working full time fastfood. But wait we wont tax them. See with socialism there isnt any motivation for the uneducated to work. Instead they just remain stuck in their circle of poverty and keep hindering the country. But yeah your "practical matters" like medicare are what is killing our economy. Nasa isn't even close to being one of the top reasons why we are in so much debt so fuck yourself you hippie liberal douche anon. I know my shit enough to be able to make the hard choices instead of the easy compassionate ones

You dont even address the topic at hand. You just sit there with your self entitled master of political views and look down on anything I say. When in reality nothing I have said is untrue. BTW if i had to classify myself in any group i would say I support conservatism. They are the ones who look at situations in a realistic view. Not like Obama "Hurrr Durrr you are sucessful? good shit imma tax you and give it to people who didnt work to earn any of that money." great lessons to instill in children these days you agree? obviously not because if anyone disagrees with you they are wrong

fortunately I am good looking, have a good job, and im on the deans list at my college. Let's see who has a better chance at making children big guy ;)

I don't see how economic and social progress would impede space travel

I love you for this comment.

1) I would just like to say, I do support taxing the rich more. Nobody actually needs millions or billions of dollars, if I ever have the chance to have that massive of a salary, the most I will actually keep would be about 100k a year, and anything else would be donated to science or asked to be given as bonuses to the rest of the workers. A man making 10k a year should pay much less in % of taxes than a man making 10,000k or so.

2) It's a simulated freedom. They tell us we are free, we believe it, but they do whatever they want anyway. It's like Mass Effect indoctrination if you need an analogy. You don't realize you are indoctrinated, you think you are free, but you aren't.

Is it? I dont see it that way, and I certainly get a higher tax rate than the majority of people around here. In my opinion, it all depends in your perspective of equality. If you ask everyone to pay 10 bucks, that's equal. But if some people only make 13 bucks have to pay 10 and then others make 30 have to pay 10 bucks, now from the perspective of percentages its not fair any more.

Additionally, Capitalism, and I mean straight up, no barriers capitalism, does not work. Our history has proved that. all you have to do is study the history. Franklin Delano Roosevelt took out US from shit when he founded work for thousands and developed many public facilities and much infrastructure, plus the equivalent of socialism stile social services. The other end of the spectrum was found just prior to that, when we approached to pure capitalism on both an economic and governmental scale. It turned out that the richer got richer and the poorer got poorer, and then production problems started to arise, not to mention that the life expectancy also dropped quite a bit, and so did the morale of the people.

That said, Capitalism IS a VERY effective for development, but it cant be left with no barriers. To this day I dont know what the perfect economic system would be like. I suppose it perhaps the best to go about it would be to make a "cycle" during which Capitalism is almost free and after a while its replaced with Socialism, and then the cycle is repeated. Or perhaps its would be best to have a dead center middle ground between Capitalist and Socialist Ideology? I haven't been able to figure it out yet, which of this two would be best.

I agree with your, those are some great points. However, what good is it doing poor people to give them free handouts that cant ever equate assets? They literally will be poor forever because they will never be able to start supporting themselves without the government.

That is trick right there sir! (and by the way, thank you for being rational. I am glad to meet an other intelligent life form here)
See, there are two possibilities the way I see it:

1. To avoid the poor getting lazy, you CANT give them everything. You can give them SOME support, but make it so that the support keeps them afloat IF they work. That way, if the people decide to be smart-asses and try to leech from the government they would quite literally sink. As I said, it has to be proportional.

or

2. They could use the cyclical system I mentioned so that even if thepeople tried to relly on the system, the system would be cut off at some point (and they would know that of course), which would force them to work (and keep working) during the Socialist time of the cycle, when they can save more money, in order to save up enough money to survive during the capitalist period of the Cycle.


I think those would be the two best options. Your thoughts?

you are one of the smart ones. Everyone thumbs down my comments because they cant see reality. This is the problem with our generation. For what ever reason we feel entitled to everything before we put in the work to earn it. I disagree with socialism because my parents were poor growing up. They both took out student loans and graduated from Ohio State (my dad an engineer and mom a teacher) Because of my dad we are quite wealthy. It's not like he is a hampton that every generation is just rich because the money is there. Why is it fair my parents worked their asses off and now have to support lazy poor people who don't want to work hard? I guess I feel so strongly because it makes my dad so upset. He loves the idea of paying taxes to help make this a better country, not pay more because he has to help support bums who dont appreciate anything...

Thank you sir, you yourself are pretty mentally capable too. Despite the fact that you do have personal reasons to oppose socialism, you were rational enough to present argumentative evidence and philosophy in your comments. I do not say socialism is perfect. I do not say Capitalism is a complete failure. I say that no system is perfect, but we can improve them. The best way to do it is to find a point of balance to build from there. That's all I am trying to find my self. As I have said, all systems have flaws and strong points. the trick is to try to mix them in a way that there are less flaws and more strengths than before.

Yes, socialism, in its purest and most basic form, sounds really nice in paper, but we all know that there would be many people who would just leech off the system and eventually bring a lot of problems to it. You were correct on that. So I agree, On the other hand, Capitalism in its purest form creates more gaps socially and economically, which would also create a huge problem. But we all know that in this day and age, no European or American Nation (that is, no 1st world country that is fully developed) is fully capitalist or fully socialist. Yet, they all have their problems.

So, I figure we need a new system. Something that brings together the very best of all the systems, built in a foundation of Equality and moderation. Excess will bring you down just as quick as being overly static. The way to do this would be to find a way to allow people to be free, allow them to have competition, allow them to have a good chance at success, but creating a standard so that equality is preserved, and a small cushion that could give them a second chance should they fall into problems, but at the same time one not so large that people could survive of it for long.
Or at least that's my theory. I hope it made sense.

You are correct, however it is sad opinions like yours will never be heard by our government. People like you and me aren't "qualified" enough to voice our opinions and have them be heard in a meaningful setting. We can only vote for a random puppet who will be influenced by congress and not fulfill the agenda stated in their campaign. That is why I feel my vote is pointless at times but I still vote because thousands have died for my right to do so and I appreciate that.

You are mostly right. Not completely though. there is one little Bonus hope. Talking like we do now =) By talking we solidify thoughts and even educate ourselves about subjects, while at the same time develop ideas and absorb ideas from our talks. By talking we might be able to teach other people about something, perhaps just slightly shift their perspective slightly, or even make them reconsider something entirely. If this keeps happening, eventually voices will accumulate and and the government is forced to follow suit. That's really the main reason why talk in all this political argument threads. I dont intend on forcing anyone to my side, nor do I intend to fully and out-rightly attack others without reason. I am here to see if I can spread thoughts, seeds of that will make people think about the future and look at things from other angles. I find that most people actually only view things from one or two perspectives that are not that far off from each other. Its best to consider many angles in order to understand the world better. Thats really all I want. I want to cause people to think, I want people to consider several sides of the argument, I want to make it so that people are encouraged enough to think that they will vote, and then we will really have a decent majority of the country voting and representing our country.

Perhaps thats really the best way. it might be slow, but its solid, and it might even ripple out to others who might want to start making people think too. and then who knows? Maybe the world will be more interesting and beautiful then.

Exactly, check out this video I posted I would like to hear your opinions. It is one of the main reasons why I view politics the way I do

funnyjunk.com/youtube/3576545/Why+Socialism+Sucks/

The first half is mostly correct. The second half deteriorates into bias... South American dictatorship and internal war struggle was a product of corruption withing the internal government for the most part, which was at the time of the ideals similar to today's conservative party. However they grew complacent with their people and shit started to happen. Additionally, the rebelling and terrorist groups in south America are not considered Socialists. They are considered Communists or Fascists (depending on which group you refer too), and often come from very poor families with not much education, and they are easily convinced by someone who come out saying "Hey guys! I just heard about about this GREAT new guy called Stalin you know? I hear that they share EVERYTHING in russia." and of course, for people that work for a about $3 a day, that seems like the greatest idea ever. as they say, Ignorance is bliss.

On the other hand, he has a point with the whole spending thing. And its true. Nothing is free, and if American was going to turn into a more socialist like society, there would be an adjustment period during witch it would enter more debt, but inturn it would create infrastructure and demand, which in time would create them a very stable economy, like what occurred with Rosevelt during the great depression.

In my opinion its a very well written persuasive propaganda. It weaves some very solid and true facts with some stuff that could be very misleading for the average person. All in all, I am not a fan of what they did there. One shouldn't give obviously misleading information like that. Anyone that doesn't know the basics of that history of many locations he mentioned (i.e: Most of America, since they have no reason to) and the process that led up to them would be easily misguided by them.

That's my opinion anyways. I visited Colombia last year during my vacation actually. BEAUTIFUL country. And I did learn a thing or two about their country's history.

I've always agreed about the fact that capitalism can NOT work in it's purest form. People think I'm a communist or whatever, but it truly doesn't work. It is unstable at best, and makes the separation of classes exponentially larger, as well as tanking a lot of the aspects of a society.

I don't know what would work perfectly, but I've always assumed that it would have to be a hybrid between numerous forms of economic and political systems. In my opinion, though, to have Utopia, we must first create the Utopian to reside in it. I can tell people like you and I are most likely the closest we have at the moment (reasonable, intelligent, et cetera), and that's just not enough.

Utopia is 'good place' but it also translates as 'no place'-completely impossible to attain, and anyone who tries to do so is deluded.

Good argument on utopia. I find myself inclined to agree with you in that aspect. Capitalism is unstable, but so are many other systems, all of them having strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, the best way to go about it would be to have a hybrid that covers several aspects thoroughly, and doesn't leave too many holes for collapse or dis-equality to reach alarming proportions.

To my knowledge it would have to be a something similar to a capitalist market with a socialist government (if that makes sense). Or, a cycle government, which goes periodically through capitalism and socialism cycles. or perhaps just one big master hybrid economic-political system. But as long as people are easily swayed and dont willing rely on each-other while doing their best on their own, no system will ever come close to perfect.

I'm a socialist, and wtf are you talking about

Fuck yeah.

i have never laughed that hard EVER on fj, thank you

mfw i saw this. You made me laugh, good job sir!

Gonna try it in Paint.

thumbs (44)

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Nice thumbs, I meant (44).

*fixed because I'm bored

Bush started it, Obama made it much worse.

Actually, economy's improving and, according to economists (you know, people who know about how the economy works), it's because of Obama.

He may be improving it, but why'd he wait three years to start? And why didn't he begin in the first place instead of going on a huge spending spree?

He didn't wait three years. It was the stimulus package that's improving the economy.

All of the stimulus packages failed. However the economy is improving, it's not from any of the stimulus packages. Most economists concluded that the stimulus packages where expensive "experiments" that ended up doing nothing.

The stimulus added 6.4 million jobs since its inception.

And sunk us deeper into pit of debt. The stimulus packages were composed of borrowed money from other countries. Now we have to, but can't, stop spending money on such useless things in order to pay them back.

When a country is in a recession, it's supposed to deficit spend. Otherwise, it gets further into the recession.

*Bush started it, *Republicans strong arming* Obama made it much worse.

is that a midget or a slightly deformed child..? o.0

I think its a slightly deformed child. His body build would be a little more built, plus his arms are really skinny. Maybe really young anorexia?

This. Yes.

Couldn't*

Except for the fact that he was a professor of constitutional law.

keep spending money, build the economy, get jobs back, get money back, pay for the war.

Actually, yes there is. US history ironically, has some of the best. I looked it up just a little while ago. The guy that was in charge of us at the time was Franklin D. Roosevelt, and and he apparently was very popular, since he has being President so far (to my knowledge) that has being elected more than 2 terms. It seems that the US was in a real rot due to the depression and this guy set up a bunch of systems and facilities, some of which are still being used today. I am going to check some books to see how much things improved though, this actually sounds quite interesting.

he will be the only US president to go more than two terms... now there is a term limit

Its an argument that may have some merit, but only in the immediate effect. in the long run, the infrastructure created gave us a fairly good advantage of resources and transportation over many countries.

...like Mars? He's doing that.

Thank you joemand, just thank you.

I want to make sweet, homosexual love to you just for saying such a wise thing.

Yes, quite.
Thank you for this. I'm surprised you didn't get thumbed down seeing as how most of the people on here are those dumb teenagers. Either way take another thumb.

Yeah, let's cut a major source of scientific innovation, discovery, and exploration. That is the smart choice.

I feel as though it was necessary; millions and millions of dollars thrown at a program to send 2-3 people up to go to the moon ( when they may or may not get there) or some other location every few years is not progress in my mind. I believe at this point in time there's other government programs that need more time, attention, and resources that could help us cure, or at least treat our current problems.

...which is a bloody large part of it... look at the federal budget, barely ANY of it goes to NASA whereas a butt tonne of it goes to aid programs for the poor... now I love poor people, I really do... but you know... call me a heartless Utilitarian... but I'd like to keep services that may improve the lives of all humans rather than ones that only temporarily help those who cannot help themselves...

That's like asking someone to fix your computer and they start banging it with a hammer.
Republicans want to cut funding to the money pits that Democrats dump all our tax dollars into.
They want to cut things like welfare and wasteful regulations, not useful organizations like NASA that offer huge returns on their investment.

Because assisting the people that were hurt most in our economic recession is oh so wasteful.

I'm sorry, but seeing that comment getting thumbed up was making me lost faith in humanity.

If he believe that you have to spend your way out of a recession then you need to use that money to put those people to work. If you just shell out Obama dollars for them to bum around you're literally flushing that money down the toilet. There is zero return on the investment. If you let people get money for nothing, then they have no reason to get up off their asses.

I'm sorry, I wasn't going to assume shit and actually thought that you actually had a good argument for opposing welfare. But nope, you're just as ignorant as everyone else. Most people who use welfare do not abuse it, and the average welfare user is a middle aged single mother who uses it for 2-3 months maximum. It keeps alot of people off the streets, and i would gladly pay for that rather than rockets to the moon/

What did he say to get 20 thumbs up

He said Republicans told Obama to spend less therefore they're responsible for cutting NASA.

I know I look like a tool deleting it, but I had to do it for the sake of my own sanity.
A die a little inside whenever one of these "herp derp blame republicans" comments gets thumbed up.

We don't have that kind of democratical system in Australia so I really don't know what all this democrat/republican stuff is

But Obama is a pretty chill president

SHE said nothing of the sort, but I am going to stop commenting because it's futile to argue with a child who deletes opposing opinions.

I blame Fox-news for it. Every well-informed person should know there's a difference between a social welfare system (and obamacare is still FAR away from that) and communism.

I completely agree with you. I watched Fox a few times. My GOD! those guys try to play with all fears of people to get their point across, not to mention that they themselves often don't understand what they are talking about fully (if at all).