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Catholic Here:
I am glad that you have your beliefs, but may I ask some questions?
Why did the ninjas strain Pasto? Where were his pirates? What are these transgressions?
There seem to be some common lines to your beliefs and mine actually.
We have a man named Jesus who was crucified. The Jews and arguably man kind in a larger sense crucified Jesus, but in the process we were saved from our transgressions. Our moral code basically avoids physical pleasures over love of your neighbor and enemy. Take care of the poor and those who need it. Be slow to offend.
What historical proof/logic/etc. do you have for your faith?
Do you feel like your religion should be taxed by the state?
Why are we not created to look like pasta?
I hope to hear your reply =)
I am glad that you have your beliefs, but may I ask some questions?
Why did the ninjas strain Pasto? Where were his pirates? What are these transgressions?
There seem to be some common lines to your beliefs and mine actually.
We have a man named Jesus who was crucified. The Jews and arguably man kind in a larger sense crucified Jesus, but in the process we were saved from our transgressions. Our moral code basically avoids physical pleasures over love of your neighbor and enemy. Take care of the poor and those who need it. Be slow to offend.
What historical proof/logic/etc. do you have for your faith?
Do you feel like your religion should be taxed by the state?
Why are we not created to look like pasta?
I hope to hear your reply =)
Jew Here:
I am perfectly fine with Christians and Catholics, but I think that it is stupid when people say, "The Jews killed Jesus," because you are right they did, but guess what. Everybody during that time period was either Jewish, Muslim, or some crazy Roman mythologists. The Muslims weren't even there, and the Romans had a large part in it. Blaming it on the Jews is like blaming white people for killing Martin Luther King Jr. The reason the Catholic Church blamed the crucifixion of Jesus on the Jews was to separate themselves form the Jews, because early on in the Christian religion, Christians believed in the exact same things except for Jesus being the son of God. All of Jesus' disciples were originally Jewish, so the Christians began making changes to separate themselves from the Jews, and to make them seem different, and to place blame on the Jews.
I am perfectly fine with Christians and Catholics, but I think that it is stupid when people say, "The Jews killed Jesus," because you are right they did, but guess what. Everybody during that time period was either Jewish, Muslim, or some crazy Roman mythologists. The Muslims weren't even there, and the Romans had a large part in it. Blaming it on the Jews is like blaming white people for killing Martin Luther King Jr. The reason the Catholic Church blamed the crucifixion of Jesus on the Jews was to separate themselves form the Jews, because early on in the Christian religion, Christians believed in the exact same things except for Jesus being the son of God. All of Jesus' disciples were originally Jewish, so the Christians began making changes to separate themselves from the Jews, and to make them seem different, and to place blame on the Jews.
I tried avoided saying that to a certain extent. I personally think man kind is guilty for the death of Christ. But technically the area was Israel and the Jewish people were the ones who wanted his death. Not unified necessarily. There were plenty of jewish people who were against it.
For example: Pilate could have not allowed the crucifixion of Jesus, especially because he thought he was innocent, but he was afraid of what Ceaser would do instead of doing the right thing. Therefore Pilate is just as at fault.
I meant no offense. I get what you mean, and I thumbed you up.
For example: Pilate could have not allowed the crucifixion of Jesus, especially because he thought he was innocent, but he was afraid of what Ceaser would do instead of doing the right thing. Therefore Pilate is just as at fault.
I meant no offense. I get what you mean, and I thumbed you up.
I wouldn't believe in such that in one picture it would have the answer to all of your questions. There would be millions of answers, like the ninjas were allergic to all types of pasta back then, his pirates were docking and coming to his rescue but were too late, ect. It would be giving away too much information if it were to answer all your questions in this mere picture. This is why faith and imagination comes in handy.
So the pirates wanted to save him? Cool.
I feel like you don't have enough information on your faith to truly believe it though. Like can you give me an overall story. I am missing a large aspect of information.
I know that he created everything, I know he too died for our transgressions because the ninjas were allergic, and I know that pirates wanted to save him. What else is there to this religion. Why is this small paragraph enough to believe?
I feel like you don't have enough information on your faith to truly believe it though. Like can you give me an overall story. I am missing a large aspect of information.
I know that he created everything, I know he too died for our transgressions because the ninjas were allergic, and I know that pirates wanted to save him. What else is there to this religion. Why is this small paragraph enough to believe?
I shouldn't have to convince you this is believable for you to be able to have faith in it. It's really all about faith. Some gaps may be in the story but that's where you come in to fill it with what you think would make sense to add, think of it like different versions of Christianity or Judaism, you make your own version of the story. It's more or less about what you want to believe than the stone cold facts.
I could write you a paragraph based on something like how the ninjas came to be allergic to pasta, or how the pirates came down to want to save him, but that wouldn't be right. You have to create it yourself and fill in the blanks.
I could write you a paragraph based on something like how the ninjas came to be allergic to pasta, or how the pirates came down to want to save him, but that wouldn't be right. You have to create it yourself and fill in the blanks.
But there is a reason for all faith. For example. I follow Jesus because I like the values. One does not just simply accept a moral code. Like why your faith? Help me believe? My religion has many philosophers who have studied this their entire lives which give reasons for their beliefs. What is your important ideology.
Does he have names for his disciples? How did you get your text?
Help me understand your religion. Also with faith in my religion, while there are gaps, I can use reasoning to logic to assume what is correct. Doesn't your religion have that?
Why isn't there an official teacher? Wouldn't the pasta god throw me into a noodly hell for getting it wrong? Why no authority?
Does he have names for his disciples? How did you get your text?
Help me understand your religion. Also with faith in my religion, while there are gaps, I can use reasoning to logic to assume what is correct. Doesn't your religion have that?
Why isn't there an official teacher? Wouldn't the pasta god throw me into a noodly hell for getting it wrong? Why no authority?
Well I'm not an official beliver in this, I just joined in the conversation for shits and giggles, so it wouldn't be my religion. Unfortunately I do not have all the answers for your questions but I will try. I believe a faith in Pasto would be because there is proof that spaghetti exists. Possibly not flying spaghetti monsters, but there could be reasoning behind it e.g. being devolved into normal, dull edible pasta. I do not know the names for his desciples and how did I get my text? Do you mean how I got my replies in order? Well, I used logic and a basic understanding of the topic.
In my previous paragraphs I have said that you have to create it yourself and fill in the blanks, so yes they would have that. I would say Pasto was the official teacher before this happened, but I'm sure somewhere in the world there is somebody spreading this religion. And I'm sure the pasta god would forgive you for getting something wrong. It's not that bad compared to the murder of a pasta-being. I believe the authority lies within the facts given here and what you can do to fill in the gaps. If it has authority in it, it should make sense when fitting in the gaps.
In my previous paragraphs I have said that you have to create it yourself and fill in the blanks, so yes they would have that. I would say Pasto was the official teacher before this happened, but I'm sure somewhere in the world there is somebody spreading this religion. And I'm sure the pasta god would forgive you for getting something wrong. It's not that bad compared to the murder of a pasta-being. I believe the authority lies within the facts given here and what you can do to fill in the gaps. If it has authority in it, it should make sense when fitting in the gaps.
1. Spaghetti areguement is good. Christians believe that God is real because we are created in his image. We exist, therefore our creator which looks like us exist.
2. By text I meant, where is your "bible" from, who wrote it?
3. What re pasto's teachings?
4. What if I condemned a certain type of pasta as a "non-worthy" type of pasta? Would I be allowed to feed it to chickens? Would Pasto get upset at me for that? He didn't say no, so it must be okay.
2. By text I meant, where is your "bible" from, who wrote it?
3. What re pasto's teachings?
4. What if I condemned a certain type of pasta as a "non-worthy" type of pasta? Would I be allowed to feed it to chickens? Would Pasto get upset at me for that? He didn't say no, so it must be okay.
1. I agree, for all we know pasta could be the intelligent mute being on this earth and we don't even know it.
2. Probably a cook book.
3. How to make good pasta. Ninja's may have hated how he made pasta and held a grudge.
4. 1. All pasta is pasta, no exceptions. In my beliefs this goes for sexual orientation, species ect. 2. Why would you feed pasta to chickens? Would you feed a human to chickens? 3. I think if you fed his people to chickens yes. Again, if I fed your people to chickens would you be upset? I think it answers your question.
2. Probably a cook book.
3. How to make good pasta. Ninja's may have hated how he made pasta and held a grudge.
4. 1. All pasta is pasta, no exceptions. In my beliefs this goes for sexual orientation, species ect. 2. Why would you feed pasta to chickens? Would you feed a human to chickens? 3. I think if you fed his people to chickens yes. Again, if I fed your people to chickens would you be upset? I think it answers your question.
2.Where did the cook book come from?
3. So just about how to make pasta? What if I stole pasta from someone? What if I stole a strainer? What about kill someone else? What are the moral laws of pasta regarding those?
4. Can I see the scripture stating all pasta is pasta? And I see you are using reasoning on your beliefs to make your argument, this is what I wanted.
3. So just about how to make pasta? What if I stole pasta from someone? What if I stole a strainer? What about kill someone else? What are the moral laws of pasta regarding those?
4. Can I see the scripture stating all pasta is pasta? And I see you are using reasoning on your beliefs to make your argument, this is what I wanted.
2. I would guess a kitchen of some sort. Or a factory that makes cook books. (This is a realistic guess, not one of those things like 'what created the universe', but if it were that then probably him handcrafting it, as Pasto is all-knowing and put his knowledge into a cook book before being killed by ninjas as he forsaw it and did not try to run or anything because he knew it was the right thing to do. By dying, his cook book would have been seen globally and recognised as a pathway to good pasta.)
3. I would have to say anything that would physically and or mentally harm a pasta being in any shape or form. (This would go for normal pasta-beings, as some pasta-beings have conditions where they cannot be mentally harmed.) All the things you have listed would come in to the laws of pasta.
4. Again, this is my guess/belief. There is no scripture, it's common sense. It's like saying there's two chickens. One is a chicken, but the other is a dragon. In this case not all chickens would be chickens, but no chicken is a dragon. Do you see what I mean? And I am glad to have given you what you wanted nois. I must say so far this is a good 'discussion' as I would put it. Argument is an overused term for religious debates. It's not like we're fighting to see which religion is the best, we are discussing the laws of pasta and everything in it.
3. I would have to say anything that would physically and or mentally harm a pasta being in any shape or form. (This would go for normal pasta-beings, as some pasta-beings have conditions where they cannot be mentally harmed.) All the things you have listed would come in to the laws of pasta.
4. Again, this is my guess/belief. There is no scripture, it's common sense. It's like saying there's two chickens. One is a chicken, but the other is a dragon. In this case not all chickens would be chickens, but no chicken is a dragon. Do you see what I mean? And I am glad to have given you what you wanted nois. I must say so far this is a good 'discussion' as I would put it. Argument is an overused term for religious debates. It's not like we're fighting to see which religion is the best, we are discussing the laws of pasta and everything in it.
Who made the factories/kitchens? Has anyone witnessed the making of this said book getting to human beings? Christians actually have human heritage and lineage of passing our religious texts. We have at least proof where it came from, as opposed to someone who pulled it out of a kitchen who could have just wanted to make pasta one night for dinner.
I like you yenta. We should indeed talk pasta more often
I like you yenta. We should indeed talk pasta more often
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yentabear (04/10/2012) [-]
1. Most likely people who make kitchens and factories.
2. Probably the people who have read from the book being human beings. I would have assumed like the Christians bible, they would share the word of the laws of the pasta to the humans, being the other intelligent race on the planet.
So either Pasto or other pasta-beings would have spread the knowledge of the book and often the book itself to humans of which I have no legitimate names of. Probably a Carl.
3. The holy cook book was not just 'pulled out of the kitchen' dear friend. This took thousands of years to create and was pain-steakingly difficult to pass on. Once made, from my knowledge, it was handed down generations of pasta-beings before being handed to the first human during the de-evolution of pasta-beings.
They would have wanted to keep the religion alive and passed it down to humans. There have been many great pasta-beings who were famous for passing knowledge of the great pasta-beings to humans. Christianity may be thick and complex, but this could be just as true as your story of Christianity. If you are done with questions, what is your favourite type of pasta? I do wish we could talk pasta more too. Where is this going.
2. Probably the people who have read from the book being human beings. I would have assumed like the Christians bible, they would share the word of the laws of the pasta to the humans, being the other intelligent race on the planet.
So either Pasto or other pasta-beings would have spread the knowledge of the book and often the book itself to humans of which I have no legitimate names of. Probably a Carl.
3. The holy cook book was not just 'pulled out of the kitchen' dear friend. This took thousands of years to create and was pain-steakingly difficult to pass on. Once made, from my knowledge, it was handed down generations of pasta-beings before being handed to the first human during the de-evolution of pasta-beings.
They would have wanted to keep the religion alive and passed it down to humans. There have been many great pasta-beings who were famous for passing knowledge of the great pasta-beings to humans. Christianity may be thick and complex, but this could be just as true as your story of Christianity. If you are done with questions, what is your favourite type of pasta? I do wish we could talk pasta more too. Where is this going.
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garnykins (04/09/2012) [-]
He said 'our moral code'. You know there are more than one, yeah? There are billions, actually, as every person lives by a separate one, but it tends to be that people that follow a certain religion try to stay within certain boundaries ('their' moral code). Engrish is hard.
Second: Can't tell if he's troll or nawt...
Second: Can't tell if he's troll or nawt...
Well, the content said that Pasta died for man kinds transgressions. I just wanted to know what they thought were those.
Morals I feel are inherent and come naturally to man kind, but we figure out ways to block them out of our mind. Like I think we naturally are not racist, babies don't just hit each other because they are different looking.
So how do we figure out what those morals are? Through argument, logic, and moral teachers. I think Jesus, regardless of what you believe, was a very morally correct person. Give to the poor, love your neighbor, avoid material wealth, are all beautiful things in my personal opinion, and are typically agreed on by many civilizations and people.
Morals I feel are inherent and come naturally to man kind, but we figure out ways to block them out of our mind. Like I think we naturally are not racist, babies don't just hit each other because they are different looking.
So how do we figure out what those morals are? Through argument, logic, and moral teachers. I think Jesus, regardless of what you believe, was a very morally correct person. Give to the poor, love your neighbor, avoid material wealth, are all beautiful things in my personal opinion, and are typically agreed on by many civilizations and people.
The basic moral teachings of Jesus seem to be enforcement of natural, more common ideas of morality we have, plus adaptations to the newer times: Wealth, Honesty etc.
I love how you can find similar teachings in older and newer religions and spiritual traditions, religion seems to have been founded originally as a way to pass and enforce moral laws.
How can I claim something like that? well, you see: The oldest structure ever discovered, older than any city, before the times of agriculture and farming was a temple. First came religion, then came Civilization, it is part of being human, there are no historical societies without religious beliefs or morals thought through them.
TL;DR: Religion as a means of teaching morality is older than any civilization ever discovered.
I love how you can find similar teachings in older and newer religions and spiritual traditions, religion seems to have been founded originally as a way to pass and enforce moral laws.
How can I claim something like that? well, you see: The oldest structure ever discovered, older than any city, before the times of agriculture and farming was a temple. First came religion, then came Civilization, it is part of being human, there are no historical societies without religious beliefs or morals thought through them.
TL;DR: Religion as a means of teaching morality is older than any civilization ever discovered.
With intelligence comes the urge for knowledge and questions, the first of these questions is nearly always "where did I come from and what is my purpose". Because of this there is always the need for religion, since it answers these questions. Today there are more and more people who are rejecting religion since there are other options. But I'm getting off-topic, religion brought basic morals that were needed for civilizations to exist.