Well parents should teach their daughters not to dress like sluts. Imagine if you went to a party, a girl was drinking, flirting with you, and showing as much skin to you as possible. You would probably imagine she wants your dick. And the fact that she went to a parking garage with him was a bad decision. If she stayed at the party with everyone else, she'd be fine. Hell, she could have invited her boyfriend, but instead she went to flirt with people. How is she NOT a slut?

I was unaware that you could have sex with anyone as long as they are a slut.

So, if you were really drunk, and I interpreted what you were doing as flirting, by your logic, I have the right to pull down your pants and fuck you in the ass, and it's not rape.

So where do you live?

Finally, someone gets it.

My daughter wouldnt be dressing like a whore so ur statement is invalid

People can change clothes dumbass

There is a difference between being drunk and fucking someone, and being drunk and getting fucked by someone against your will.

If someone free runs and harms themselves whilst doing it, it is their fault, correct?

Let me word that better.

She did not wear a giant neon sign that said "Please rape me", and we don't even know if she dressed like a slut. She just was drunk. The man raped her. It is his fault, because he stuck his penis in her vagina, end of story

No, not end of story. You know what you can do, close your legs. If that doesn't work kick him in the balls. If that doesn't work then say you attempted to stop him. But if you didn't then it's pretty much all your fault, because you made not attempt to stop him and essentially put yourself in that situation.

Its like someone driving along the road, at night, without their headlights on and a car smashes into them because they cannot see them. Sure the other car smashed into them but if they put their lights on it would have been avoided.

Really. Fucking really.

Just because she was dressed as a slut and drunk doesn't mean she wanted sex. None of us actually KNOW if she was dressed as a slut, or did nothing to stop it. She might have been dressed normally, and tried to stop him, but unless you haven't noticed, it is quite hard to do things when you are drunk.

So please, shut the fuck up. Think if it was you in that situation. Would you say "Yeah, I totally asked for it by being drunk"?

Okay so if it is their fault, then should it not be at least partly your fault too if you get raped when your: ridiculously drunk, dressed like a slut, begging for it by flirting, and probably didn't do much to stop it. If your pushing the guy off and telling him to go away then okay, it was mostly his fault, there is still a little bit of blame on you. If you did nothing then it is mostly your fault because you took no precaution to stop it happening. How was he supposed to know, if he is drunk too then he is most likely not going to stop if you lightly say something. And let's be frank: she doesn't sound like the little nice girl who was raped because of an over aggressive, over horny male, but someone who was begging for it, realised she shouldn't too late, and made too much of a fuss. If you don't want to be raped then don't get overly drunk, dress like a slut, flirt and then not even attempt to tell him no.

And to your point, yes. You should not have taken the lighter if there was a good chance he or it would burn you.

So, if you were shitfaced, unable to resist, and I fucked you, it would be all fine and dandy.

Yes, it bloody well would. Because you shouldn't have been shitfaced in the firsdt place, and fine if you were but like the free runners you put yourself in that situation, correct? Not free running and not drinking to the point you can't say no would have avoided the situation.

what if she was out with her friends and she started to drink to spiked drinks with out knowing is it then her fault then also statistically speaking most men are stronger than women so being able to resist is pretty much useless

Well as I pointed out she didn't say whether she was actually attempted to stop him, and as said later down there V in the later comments he probably didn't know she didn't want it. And it doesn't talk about spiked drinks and if I thought my drink was spiked, which would be obvious afterwards because you know if one of your drinks are spiked, then I would say that, wouldn't you?

Just...wow. Really. That argument just reached unimaginable stupidity.

No, it really didn't. Don't just say an argument is stupid, give reasons for it.

If you say that free runners are at fault for free running, and that would be for putting themselves into that situation, then it's someones fault if they get "raped" (and I use that loosely because if she was too drunk to say no then how could he know he was raping her and not wanting it) because they got too drunk to say no. Same principle.

Hmm. So he was raping her, but didn't know he was a rapist.

That sounds like something I read on a sign being held by a woman somewhere...

Yeah, so she should shut the fuck up because her point is iunvalid then. Because he bares no responsibility only her. It is therefore totally her fault and you've just proved yourself invalid.

No, in fact you have just proved yourself invalid. He didn't know he was a rapist. Ignorance is not innocence. If you don't know murdering someone is wrong does not mean you won't be arrested for it.

Okay let me take you through the steps.

He doesn't know he's a rapist.
So he can't bare responsibility, correct?
She knew she was getting drunk.
She knew she was dressing sluttish.
She knew she was getting drunk to the point she couldn't say no.
He has zero percent of the responsibility.
She therefore has full responsibility.

He may be a "rapist" or not, that wasn't my point. It's HER fault she got raped entirely.

No, it is not. Just because he doesn't know that he is a rapist doesn't mean he isn't one. Like saying a blind man doesn't know he's black, therefore he isn't.

She bares some responsibility, but not all. Yes she got shitfaced. That does not mean that anyone can have sex with her and get away with it.

If someone fucks you, and you don't say no, that is essentially the same as saying yes. Put it this way, how can he bare responsibility if he thought she wanted it? He might still be a "rapist" but that doesn't mean he's actually responsible.

So if I ask you if you're a faggot, and you don't say anything, then you are automatically a faggot?

That's quite different and an incorrect analogy. But then again it would show guilt and imply someone was guilty about it and so I would say that would imply someone was gay.

Not really, in the situation of someone being drunk, you might not even be in the mind to know you were being ASKED a question.

In something like sex, yes means yes and no means no, not saying anything does not mean yes. If anything it should mean no.

Well no, usually when someone doesn't reply you take it as yes. That is a common human trait, we take silence as affirmation in both when we respond and when we look for the response. What is another common human trait is to ascribe silence with what we want to hear, therefore if you ask someone for something and they don't respond you take it, ignoring whether you should actually reason whether they didn't didn't respond due to a practical factor (i.e not being able to hear you) or whether they were implying affirmation. You can hardly blame someone for implying a yes response when no response was given, and you can hardly say that someone is not for blame in any case if they don't respond to a question. I have been wasted before, however if a bloke came up to me asking for sex I would be very quick to respond no (partly because I'm a straight guy, and partly because I don't think there is ever a time where you can't respond to yes or no questions when your drunk unless you're... you know, unconscious).

Assumptions shouldn't happen, but even if they do, the person who is making said assumptions is then the one to blame.

I don't know, I mean I've been in some messy situations while being drunk. Just because YOU can answer shit while drunk doesn't mean everyone can.

Saying nothing and saying yes are two different things. Once again, she might have said no, we need her personal story. Just because I think you want to have sex does not mean that I can have sex with you.

The clues point towards her making it seem like she did. Do you really think that he just started fucking her out of the blue if she didn't make it seem like she wanted it?? Because the only other way that works is when they really aggressively come at them and will properly rape them and so would know that they were raping them, whereas that says otherwise. That makes it sound like she implied she wanted sex, didn't say no, and then bitched about it. If she doesn't want sex don't make it sound like you want it by flirting and implying and hinting, bloody just act like a normal human being and not a slut to every guy.

Well, she said it was on basement stairs. That is not really a place that you are all "Yeah fuck me" with no resistance.

Umm... you say that, shes wankered... Stairs doesn;t sound like the easiest place to aggressively rape someone, does it??

Well, it is much more likely to be aggressive rape on the stairs than passionate love on the stairs.