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Christian youtuber - really?. Tl; dr? Some guy on youtube believes that "Don't stop believing" is a song about Jesus, I reply and wonder how and why h

Tl; dr? Some guy on youtube believes that "Don't stop believing" is a song about Jesus, I reply and wonder how and why he can say that. Hillarity ensues.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 - link to the video we commented on.

My next response: Please tell me you're a troll? I'm sorry if I offended you, I really do think that everyone should have their own opinions and a right to believe in whatever they want to... I just wish you could show me the same respect

This song is about their love for Jesus. If only more heathens would follow in
their foot steps the world would be a better place. If we had religion back into
our schools. That would abolish those horrible school shootings. A little bit of
Journey and a whole lot kfjesus will take you onto the right path of God.
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Tell me, could you please give an example of one thing in
the world that has caused more suffering, injustices and racism than the
different religions in the world?
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And also, this song has a so utely nothing to do with
religious beliefs- Don' t claim that they' re singing about Jesus. If you want to
interpret it as a "sign of love from god" or whatever, fine, just don' t try to pull
that bullshit on the internet.
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Atheism has caused more untold deaths and scourge that
has ever been seen before. It is not song is eitheir praise to our
Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. They are reminding you to dont stop believing in
your love for God. It is as clear as darrow better get right with with Jesus.
Hell is just a death away.
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Are you serious? Let' s see, religious evil: Hitler, Stalin,
the Crusades, , the war in Afghanistan, the war in Israel, the caste
system in India, Catholic priests who molest young boys, alternative
treatments that are supposed to work through the act of some divine being
usually leading, and a more. What have atheists ever
done?
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Yes I' m serious. Their disbelief in God has caused their
minds to rot. They are responsible for 91999% of all vicious and murderous
crimes. The Salem Witch trials were brought on by the Atheists too. It was for
their own political gain. They are but the Lapdogs of Satan. They were sent
here by Lucifer spread His misleading message-
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Some Ch commenting on
Journey' s "Don' t stop believing".
So yeah, I think
everyone should have
the right to believe
whatever the fuck they
want to believe, but
how can anyone be so
ignorant in todays
modern society? Or is
he just trolling me?
...
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#17 - denonymous
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mfw i read the last one
User avatar #18 - keiishiyama
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For the love of his Savior, he better be trolling. No one is this stupid intentionally.
#19 to #18 - madoc [OP]
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I certainly hope so, it's just... No. If he isn't, I'm a sad panda :(
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#4 to #2 - madoc [OP]
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I hope so...
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#7 to #6 - madoc [OP]
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No, that really shouldn't be possible. But then again, Westboro Baptist Church is for real, isn't it?
#11 to #7 - whofortytwo
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Those guys and (in my opinion) the Pope himself have the whole thing wrong.
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#1 - whofortytwo
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You didn't have to be a dick about it.
Also he IS an idiot because Atheism is nothing
#3 to #1 - madoc [OP]
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Hm, I suppose I might have been a bit harsh... Ah well, I'll write an apology to him. :) I wonder why he thinks I would take "Hell" as a serious threat...
#39 to #3 - whofortytwo
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The thread has gone on too long, that's why you can't reply to the later comments.
Now. Origin of life.
Explain.
#40 to #39 - madoc [OP]
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Oh, that's fun. x)

Tbh, I don't think can. I've never read about that. If I were to guess, I would say that some time millions of years ago, an organism capable of processing CO2 into O2 and sugar sprang into existance due to a coincidence where a chemical reaction started so that a cell was created. This cell then started duplicating itself and mutated into different cells that worked in similar but not identical ways. And thus, life.
#41 to #40 - whofortytwo
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But there was nothing. And then there was something.
The reason you haven't read about it is because there's nothing to read.
In official debates, Evolutionists just dodge the question.

#42 to #41 - madoc [OP]
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Not nothing. Dead molecules. Materials. Materials that joined together and started a chemical reaction.

But you're not right because I can't answer one thing. Even if I don't know how life came to be, I do know that we didn't spring into existance as we are today. We evolved into it.
#43 to #42 - whofortytwo
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There is absolutely no proof of that.
And you're just saying that dead molecules already existed? So there were things that just.. Were? I'm talking before the Big Bang, there was absolutely nothing. Then how is anything existing now? Something doesn't come from nothing.
#44 to #43 - madoc [OP]
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There actually was something before the big bang but we can only describe that as massive amounts of energy that existed in a single spot until it exploded.

And of course things were when what I'm talking about happened, we know that the seas existed for a very long time before anything in them came to life. :P
#46 to #44 - whofortytwo
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Okay seriously man, there's absolutely and irrefutably NO PROOF and there never will be ANY PROOF of this Big Bang or anything before it. Yet you believe in this more than a God, of which there is plenty of evidence.
You must have a very twisted mind to follow this as "logic".
#45 to #44 - whofortytwo
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So you're saying that that whatever-the-heck-it-was before the Big Bang had been there for an eternity?
#47 to #45 - madoc [OP]
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An eternity or mere moments, who knows? To explain it by calling it the work of god is just a way for humans to try and grasp some measurement of understanding and control over what we can't and probably never would be able to comprehend otherwise.

That is what all religions are about - trying to understand stuff. Which was necessary thousands of years ago when they couldn't research and prove things scientifically. It applies to all religions, not only christianity.

But this isn't fun anymore, I thought we could have this discussion on an academical level without any assaults on each others character but it seems you've fallen that low now.

I don't believe in religion because it has never been, can't be and never will be proved. It has never been proven that things like god DOESN'T exist either, but that's not enough for me. You obviously don't care even if I shove the evidence of facts like evolution down your throat, you still won't believe me.
#48 to #47 - whofortytwo
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That's the thing. There is no evidence. Have you seen any of it with your own eyes? No. You trust some random guy on Discovery or National Geographic to tell you what to believe.
#49 to #48 - madoc [OP]
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No, I trust my teachers and actual scientists who publish their works in recognized magazines. And there is proof, no matter if you believe me or not.
#50 to #49 - whofortytwo
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Did you know that the school system is not allowed to teach anything against Darwin, even if it's true?
#51 to #50 - madoc [OP]
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That's because it isn't true. No other theory has been scientifically proven or accepted. It's not some evil plot, it's to protect students from inaccuracies and lies, or rather, from pseudoscience.
#52 to #51 - whofortytwo
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If you are honestly that blind of a follower of this theory, it's just a religion to you.
If you really want to understand, then read this book "Icons of Evolution"
Here's the intro to it.
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#53 to #52 - madoc [OP]
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I thought that what you were trying to say when we started this discussion yesterday was that you are not as blind as the prick I had a discussion with on youtube and that you, like me, thought that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

It would seem as though I was mistaken. I don't mind that you believe in god, but I do mind that you don't believe in modern science. That's just... Sad.
#54 to #53 - whofortytwo
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You're serious? Darwin is outdated. His theory is like 200 years old.
And you can't logically believe in God while believing in Evolution.
But the book I posted was NOT lead by any religious views. It was purely about the corrupt school system and the lack of evidence for Darwin's theory.
You are a religious fanatic for Darwin. You are not a scientist. You have blind faith in a broken theory.
#55 to #54 - madoc [OP]
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The theory is 200 years old and it's still the only good one. In fact, it's perfect. Because it works. And also, it's nothing like a religion. I don't believe that my belief in evolution is going to make me go to heaven or hell. It's just that it's a proven fact that Darwin was and still is right. And stop giving me crap about the so-called lack of evidence, there is plenty of it. It's not observeable, no, because we don't live for thousands of years, but we can still prove it. I've tried to tell you this. But as I've also said, neither of us will be able to convince the other. Can't we just agree to disagree, respect each others differences and peace out?

//Eskil, Sweden, Atheist.
#56 to #55 - whofortytwo
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You have faith in it. An insane amount of faith. It is a religion without a promise; an empty religion. I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever for Evolution. There have been at least 50 people telling me it's irrefutable, and absolutely none giving a source.
#57 to #56 - madoc [OP]
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Well I could have my biology teacher find me some links, but why bother? It's not like you'd actually care, right?
#58 to #57 - whofortytwo
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I don't trust teachers as valid sources. The school system isn't allowed to teach everything that's true.
Research for yourself, because teachers lie to you.

#5 to #3 - whofortytwo
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The thing is, Christians don't understand that you don't know what Hell is.
#8 to #5 - madoc [OP]
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Now that is difficult for me to understand ^^' But of course I know what they make it up to be, I just don't believe that such a thing could exist... Know what I mean?
#10 to #8 - whofortytwo
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To clarify, I'm a Christian, and I'm explaining stuff.

Yeah, I see how you can believe that. But in most of our eyes, we can't understand how you can't believe it exists.
#12 to #10 - madoc [OP]
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I'm a scientist. I want things to be scientifically proven if I am to believe in them. You will never be able to prove that such a thing as Hell, or Heaven, exists. I'm not completely unreasonable, I do believe in an afterlife. I just don't think that something Romans wrote down 1800 years ago to unite their people is the most likely version of the story.

Jesus probably existed though. Wether or not he was the son of god, weeeell... I'll get to see it when I'm dead if it's true, won't I?
#13 to #12 - whofortytwo
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The point is that if you don't believe it then you won't enjoy finding it out when you're dead.
Just saying.
So a quick question, if there's coding, is there a coder?
#14 to #13 - madoc [OP]
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Haha, so IF it exists it only exists for those who believe in it? That's convenient... xD An intriguing question to which I don't have a satisfactory answer. As I said, I prefer to put my trust in things that are proven, unquestionable and falsifiable. Of course I'd like it if it didn't all just go blank when we die, I mean, who wouldn't? It just isn't logical.
#15 to #14 - whofortytwo
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So you're saying it's possible for a book without an author?
And no, if you don't believe, you go to Hell, so you don't really enjoy the realization much, y'know, because you're being punished for eternity. Just assuming that one of these religions may be correct and not being included in their eternal paradise.. In a nutshell, it'd suck. So I've chosen the one that seems most logical, and in my opinion, makes more sense than Darwinistic Evolution.
#16 to #15 - madoc [OP]
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But Evolution is a proven fact! There are no alternatives, not even plausible ones! We can prove that the earth has existed for several million years AND that man evolved from monkey-like creatures! What else do you need than cold, solid proof?


It is also a proven fact that Christianity was invented by the romans during the 3rd century in an attempt to unite their country. It's pretty much a mix of all the earlier religions, nicely stirred with some heathen traditions. Did you know Jesus was born in spring? The only reason we celebrate his birth in mid-december is because people used to celebrate a "heathen" tradition then.


But we both know that this is useless, you're not going to make me a believer and I won't be able to prove to anyone that religion was only created to comprehend what our ancestors could not scientifically prove in the ways we can today.
#20 to #16 - whofortytwo
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False.
The Old Testament was written withing the first 100 years after Jesus' birth.
Darwin's version of Evolution is completely idiotic and has been disproven countless times.
They're not allowed to teach anything against him in schools though, you see.
There's no possibility for a book to be written without an author. It doesn't happen.
So DNA wouldn't exist without God. That's the simple truth of it. With no creator, there is nothing. Evolution as Darwin puts it is crap. The closest alternative is Puntuated Equilibrium, but that doesn't work either.

You are a blind follower of Darwin though, so nothing's going to change.
This isn't science. It's a cult.
#21 to #20 - madoc [OP]
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The old testament is what they believe in in Judaism. Judaism was around long before Jesus was even thought of. But say there is a god, don't you think he might have wanted us to discover that and how we all evolved into being what we are today?

The thing is, Darwin's theory has been proven time and again, there are no other scientifaclly proven alternatives. Also, the word theory in the scientific world is the highest recognition an idea can get - it pretty much makes it a law. There has only been one, slight modification to his ideas and that was when DNA was first discovered and the description of evolution was altered so that it was "we reproduce to further our genes" instead of our attributes. It's flawless theory that can be proven by comparing fossiles and skeletons from thousands of years ago to each other and to creatures that exist today.
#22 to #21 - whofortytwo
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I meant the New Testament, oops.
That theory is like a freaking sponge. It isn't even a legitimate theory.
Books aren't written without authors. Code doesn't write itself.
#23 to #22 - madoc [OP]
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Ah, that makes more sense...

But the Bible HAS authors. Roman philosophers tasked with telling a fairytale based on a real person with the sole purpose of trying to unite an empire that was falling apart. They took their stories from evangelicists and common folktale about Jesus Christ, the so called son of god. Did you know muslims believe that he existed to, but that he was merely a prophet like Moses and Muhammed?

And as for "code not writing itself", DNA isn't a code. It's the most amazing molecular structure that exists in this world. We named the substances it consists of so that we would be able to comprehend and study it in a simpler way, like we do everyday. Do you think all things had names as soon they existed? If so, there wouldn't be any different languages, right?
#25 to #23 - whofortytwo
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The Bible actually tells why there are different languages, so I hope you weren't going to use that as an argument.
DNA is far too complex to have evolved. It's simply impossible and UN-OBSERVABLE.
UN-OBSERVABLE means IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE.
Impossible to prove, apparently by your logic, means it never happened. Your arguments are incredibly flawed.

#27 to #25 - madoc [OP]
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I'm not saying that something that can't be proved never happened, only that it most likely didn't since countless of scientists have tried and failed to come up with a viable alternative to Darwin's theories.
#29 to #27 - whofortytwo
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Very many have. It's called punctuated equilibrium, and it's much more plausible.
Of course, there's no logical way to explain the origin of life without a creator with that either.
#24 to #23 - whofortytwo
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There is no scientific law or demonstrable process that would let something evolve from nothing. If there was nothing in the universe to begin with, obviously nothing could happen to cause anything to appear.

@Roman fairytale crap
carm.org/wasnt-new-testament-written-hundreds-years-after-christ
#26 to #24 - madoc [OP]
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Look, there's this guy Craig Venter, you can google him, he has built a whole strain of DNA and placed into an empty cell that started working. He has, in short, CREATED life. Sure, we might not be able to see evolution with our own eyes since it takes several thousand years for a species to evolve, but the evidence is still there! We can follow the evolution of a monkey-like creature by looking at skulls that go from something like a chimps but over the years the skulls become more and more like ours. You can't find human skulls older than ~30000 years because before then we were a DIFFERENT species known only as Homo Sapiens (we are Homo Sapiens Sapiens - more advanced and with a larger brain, which we know because we've looked at craniums).
#28 to #26 - whofortytwo
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Oh, really? Someone managed to create life? How interesting.
That's intelligent design. It doesn't happen by itself.
You also can't just create something. That goes against the laws of thermodynamics, doesn't it?
#30 to #28 - madoc [OP]
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Created by piecing strains of DNA together, creating life from dead material.

But it has happened by itself. The earth is several million years old, but there has only been life on it for about half that time. Thanks to different isotopes we can date fossils very accurately. Even if it was god who placed the first micro-plankton in the sea, all life that has appeared since then has evolved from one, single entity. Which we can prove by dating and examinging fossils.
#31 to #30 - whofortytwo
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For one, the current theory is that Earth is BILLIONS of years old, not MILLIONS.
I don't think you even know your own beliefs well enough to be lecturing me.
Give me scientific evidence that something without the DNA for something can ever obtain that DNA and implement it. It simply doesn't happen. Something without the DNA for feathers will not change into something that has feathers.
#33 to #31 - madoc [OP]
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... My bad, I am very well aware that the earth is that old.

My beliefs? But I don't believe. I only trust things that can be proved and tested. Not necessarily observed with the naked eye, but still possible to prove in a scientific way.

Feathers is an interesting example. It's quite easy to explain, really. Millions of years ago, when dinosaurs still existed, one or more of these dinosaurs became mutated so that instead of hard scales they grew feathers. Of course, this didn't happen in just one generation, but it would appear that the feathers gave these dinosaurs/birds an evolutionary advantage. When the first dinosaur who had begun to grow feathers bred, the gene that made his scales so feathery was dominant over the usual gene, which made some of his offspring also recieve these mutated scales.

How I know that birds used to be reptilians? Eggs. It's so simple, so obvious and has been proved so many times.
#36 to #33 - whofortytwo
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Since nothing as far as evolution goes can be proved, it is not science. It is a belief, a religion. You can't say you don't believe, because you have to believe that you don't believe, when the fact is that everyone believes something.

Someone "piecing strains of DNA togetherr" has nothing to do with the origin of life because:
1. The DNA already existed. He didn't make anything himself.
2. Just because it is alive does not mean that it could have happened by itself.
3. This is intelligent design. This implies more that it could not happen itself than that it could.
#35 to #33 - whofortytwo
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Mutations provide no evolutionary advantage.
You still have no response to the origin of life. There is no origin, because something does not come from nothing.
Evolution can not be proved, nor tested, because nobody lives long enough for that. How do you expect to "test" something that takes millions of years?
This is moronic. It can't be done.
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#38 to #32 - madoc [OP]
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Intelligent design doesn't exist. Take the eye for an example. It's what those who believe in intelligent design bring up most. But in reality, the reason as to why nearly all creatures have eyes is that mutated cells that can tell the difference between light and dark is such an extreme evolutionary advantage that most creatures that at some point in evolution gained it soon came to dominate the creatures that couldn't see because it's so much easier to survive if you can see. It has nothing to do with being designed. Everything in the universe and on earth exists because of coincidences. Do you think we would be here if the huge lumps of materia that formed earth would have come together just some miles from where the earth is placed?
#37 to #32 - madoc [OP]
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For some odd reason I can't reply directly to comment 35... MOST mutations provide no evolutionary advantage. But mutation is one of the things that bring diversity to a species and IF a mutation gives you an edge against other creatures, you will survive and spread you genes so that more individuals gain the improved attribute.

And I've tried to explain it to you, we don't have to be around when something happens/happened for it to be possible to prove. Read what I've said about fossils, PLEASE. We can, very effectively, by examining fossils follow the evolution of and into new species through the ages. From the first shrimp to the human race we are part of today, all of it can be proved through the careful examination of long dead organisms.
#34 to #32 - madoc [OP]
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Sorry, I was talking to my dad. By the way, I'm really enjoying this conversation so you get thumbs. :)
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I hate how blind religious people are
#60 to #59 - madoc [OP]
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It can be kind of entertaining though ^^ I don't mind that people believe in god, but when they fail to see what science can prove... Well, read the extremely long conversation below... So pathetic "/