Persians

MFW I'm an ancient studies major and have to put up with people referencing 300 as a source.

xerxes was a persian

And Xerxes wasn't black, he was dark like any typical Middle Easterner

source is also history

<---- That ain't no nigga, nigga.

id say he's quite nigga

Your right but no way in hell he is white

No one claimed he was white.

Faggot OP said "Persians are the bad guys; they're black". Non-niggerial Xerxes proves OP a lying faggot.

I agreed with you...

Yes...I suppose you did, to a degree. Supplementary wise-ass innuendo deleted. ;)

Excuse me?

Hello Father

Silly Doctoré, so this is what you where doing before fighting with Theokoles.

forgetting the fact that 300 is one of the most historically inaccurate movies I've seen. When I watched it I knew for the next 10 yrs it'd be College Dorm kids screaming This is SPARTA, thinking spartans are actually cool.

Oh ignorance is truly a bliss isn't it?

Dude any ancient Greek warrior is actually cool, how dare you

Ninjas are over rated,Samurais are where it's at.

MFW it looks like aku and samurai jack.

MF after your comment after it IS.

300 was right about how Persia controlled a vast part of the world, and therefore had warriors from everywhere. Which is what I said. Nothing else.

oh yep, I was talking more about hurr durr 300 spartans can kill 1 mil. persians

Movies are for entertainment. If you want 100% historical accuracy you can watch documentaries about aliens on the history channel.

Homer claims that the Persian army had millions. The Spartans held these millions at Thermopylae for 3 days. No one knows how many they have actually killed. But in the end the 300 were overwhelmed. Oh and the Persians lost the war.

Homer's numbers are almost certainly made up though. The notion of an invading army of millions of soldiers at that time is completely batshit. Getting millions of troops with anything short of conscription would've been impossible. An invasion army of one million alone would've composed 2% of the entire Achaemenid population, and that's not including all the other soldiers necessary for defending the frontiers and towns of such a vast empire. To put it into perspective, only about 0.8% of the Roman empire's population at its height were under arms, and the vast majority of that small percentage were local auxilia tasked with frontier defence, rather than the legions.

Logistically, it would have been completely impossible. Let's not forget that major cities of Antiquity like Rome and Athens were in constant need of food, and quite frequently had shortages. Rome, the heavily centralized capital that at its height would've had over a million people, was constantly struggling to get enough supplies, requiring huge, near-industrial production of grain from the periphery to support it. A standing army even bigger than this megacity would've been impossible to support, even if all the food in the entire empire were confiscated.

It's certain that the Persians would've outnumbered the Greeks (not just the Spartans, they formed only a small part of the several thousand Greeks gathered there), but most modern estimates are between 100.000 - 300.000. The Greek defence remains remarkable, and the Spartan sacrifice heroic, but completely silly notions like the Persians invading with 5 million men (according to Herodotus), 10% of their population, and nearly twice the entire number of soldiers of both sides in the American Civil War shouldn't be seriously considered, and seen for the fables that they are.

I believe it. I mean if you think about it, if you had seen several hundred thousand soldiers standing together, would it not look more like a million? I mean that sort of mistake is probably easier made than one would think. Simply walking through a crowded hallway at school could seem there's hundreds of kids in one hallways, when there's easily only a hundred or so at best. (one hallway, not the whole school) And you make fine points as well, where might I ask did you come by this information?

You make a fine point.

Xerxes was a Persian from the Achaemenid dynasty not Arab.Although Im sure Arabs were a part of the empire It did span 3 continents.

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This actor is awesome, anyone watch Spartacus?

uh....isn't spartacus a little old a movie for that guy?

I think he meant the show not the movie.

oh, ok...

Xerxes...isn't...portrayed...as..."black"...in...the...film..."300"...damn...it.

At best he looks like a Puerto Rican queer who spent way too much time in a Turkish prison as a teenager.

What's wrong with Turkish Prisons?

OK, OK, but he's 'Ethnic', which is the same point.

The Achamenid empire at its top stretched from anatolia to the indus river. There is a country between the river indus, and China....It is called India....

Same point as what?

The faggot point being made by OP was, literally, "black and white". And it was also literally wrong.

I think the point was that Hollywood likes to use the 'White = Good, Black = Evil' thing, but this can be extended to 'White = Good, Non-white = Evil' without much difference.

Anyway, I was just explaining why the examples used here are not representative of that racism, and there are reasons why the Persians are depicted as the different colours they are in these films.

I wish all comments could be like yours.

The Aryan thing is actually because of the whole Indo-European language thing, but that's another story...

i fucking hate that movie for that reason. i'm half black, half white, and the amount of stupidness concernin race just pisses me off >_> that movie choice was an example. katara and sokka were supposed to be inuits or eskimos or something. sokka was something like chinese (his uncle makes me think so. a lot of the characters are based off of chinese culture, even fighting styles)

pardon, i meant zuko was supposed to be like some sort of chinese influenced race

yes, and in addition to that Persia is now known as Iran.

Fuck yeah history.

The temporary fall of the Byzantine Empire due to the fall of Constantinople to the Fourth Crusade?

But the main part of the empire was where Iran is today

Thats very true but its understandable are you gonna send a Persian to go parlay with a warrior king to hand over rule of his kingdom that your father tried to invade not 40 years earlier? Fuck no send the nigger to do it.

Rofl your right, I was just tossing another fact out there.