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#1034 - dogfinder (03/07/2012) [-]
religion Caused morality and social structure, so we should be enternally thankful and not ignorant. [Even if god does not exist]
Science has lead to many great things, but its also led to atomic bombs and chemical weapons.
Science is nothing without morality, and morality came from Religion.
#1057 to #1034 - theerlendz (03/07/2012) [-]
And has caused the death of millions of people too. besides religion didn't create morality. morality is something that is within all human beings, religion on the other hand is noting other than a tool for Immoral to make people do almost whatever they want because they said god said so.
Religion is nothing other than a reason for people to hate on each other.

Believe me when i say that the world would be a much better place to live in, if it was a world of reason. Rather than a world of hate and intolerance. Fairy tails could never create such a world.
#1077 to #1057 - dogfinder (03/07/2012) [-]
As some as the previous posters have said, Reliogn provided a civil code back to ancient time. Greeks and Virtue as an example.
I'm Glad you brough up reason. Let me assure you, cold reason is a horrible thing without a social structure based on morality, Witch religion made possible.

If anyone wishes to debate this further, PM me.

#1071 to #1057 - joemand (03/07/2012) [-]
Obviously you are as naive as you are ignorant. Clearly you are undereducated moron if you believe religion is the center of our problems. Just go take a look at websites like bestgore...you'll see the cruelty of man that surpasses all religions. How about you quit watching your Zeitgeist and see what the world is really about.

Man will grasp at any opportunity to hurt his fellow man, it is only when he does it in the name of some religion is it remembered. Guess if I'll use your logic, than one Atheist proves that all Atheist are responsible for the death of millions.
User avatar #1301 to #1071 - theerlendz (03/07/2012) [-]
Now now, no need to turn to petty insults. i think you misunderstood, i'm only saying that religion isn't the source of morality. And it kinda sounds like you're saying that there is no ''evil'' in religion, and that it has never been abused by immoral men.

''Man will grasp at any opportunity to hurt his fellow man, it is only when he does it in the name of some religion is it remembered''

And what enabled him to cause damage on his fellow men? That's right.

Lets put it this way. most religions don't want people to be homosexual. why? because god said so obviously!
And in a world without religion.
-We shouldn't allow people to be homosexual!
-Why?
-Because i don't like it!

Religion is nothing other than an excuse to let people have their way.
Take away the excuse, then all you have is a guy with poor judgement.
#1044 to #1034 - N. Korean citizen (03/07/2012) [-]
That "but"... Do you have any ideas how many wars that have started, on a religious purpose, i suppose you don't so fuck you.
#1042 to #1034 - winniedawho (03/07/2012) [-]
Why did Hitler hate jews so much?



Why did crusades kill other people, and ravages every city they go through?



Why are terrorists doing such acts?
User avatar #1052 to #1042 - gazoogo (03/07/2012) [-]
1. Because he was denied entry to an Art Academy in Vienne, he was insane, and he blamed the Jews because the people who denied him entry were Jewish

2. Because they were led by the churches which at the time were more of mob organizations. They were in it for the money, and you have to think of the period... These were severely uneducated people who would have cut off their own arms and legs if they thought if someone said they would grow back.

3. Because they are radical. They're insane. They are brainwashed and manipulated by their leaders. Don't blame the religion.... Blame the select couple of people, and the people who made them do it.
#1058 to #1052 - winniedawho (03/07/2012) [-]
well, for second and third, it is on their scriptures.
User avatar #1069 to #1058 - gazoogo (03/07/2012) [-]
Yes, but there is still the interpretation factor. Which causes pretty much all of the problems...
#1072 to #1069 - winniedawho (03/07/2012) [-]
yeah. at first they interpret everything literally, but when science grows and discovers things such as the earth is round, they tried to interpret the book to whatever they want.
User avatar #1081 to #1072 - gazoogo (03/07/2012) [-]
If we interpreted the bible literally, and followed it exactly, we should be stoning every adulterer, homosexual, and person who speaks against God. That wouldn't quite work... But still, I think the bible should be used as a moral code, and more of a set of guide-lines as to how we should live our life. With the Koran, I don't know... I haven't read it, but I'm sure it's pretty similar to the bible.
#1041 to #1034 - sreezon (03/07/2012) [-]
no, religion came from morality. religion implements some of the moral codes it was derived from.
User avatar #1056 to #1041 - gazoogo (03/07/2012) [-]
But religion was the major system promoting morality to mass amounts of people who otherwise would not have had any idea what morality was. Religion was essentially a delivery system.
#1345 to #1056 - sreezon (03/08/2012) [-]
No, a moral system is inevitable within any given group of people. The people/society define morality; religion merely indoctrinates it. Just look at the tribes in the Amazon or the Congo: they have an implicit moral structure where some things are acceptable and others aren't.
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