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User avatar #204 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
legitimate science is supposed to work that way, but in reality much of the scientific realm is just as dogmatic (if not more) as religion. there is a science blackout happening constantly, where discoveries are bought, ignored, swept under the rug and scientists are black listed, possibly even killed for supporting theories that contradict accepted scientific assumptions. too many people have too much money, power and control involved in the status quo, when someone presents evidence that would disrupt the status quo, there are problems.

for the most part, the majority of "science" is more like the "religion of science" rather than legitimate scientific inquiry based on scientific principles.
#231 to #204 - potsmokingmonkey (01/05/2012) [-]
This has interested me. Any chance you could provide examples or evidence of your statement?
User avatar #252 to #231 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
here, this post is a great example


marijuana is one of the most obvious. hemp used the be the biggest cash crop in the states. something like 80% of our textiles, paper, etc. were made from hemp. we used it for rope, oils, all kinds of things. when the smear campaign went down to criminalize it, the name marijuana was made up so that no one knew that marijuana and hemp were the same thing. the FDA didn't even know that marijuana and hemp were the same thing until laws were already passed. marijuana is a made up name, it comes from nowhere, hemp/cannabis was never called marijuana prior to the campaign to make it illegal in like the 50's or whatever.
#254 to #252 - potsmokingmonkey (01/05/2012) [-]
This has all seriously upset me. It's like why do we do this to ourselves. Why do we hinder our own progression as the human race so that we can save face. Ah well, such is life.
#263 to #254 - mitchcninefive (01/05/2012) [-]
smoking pot =/= progression of the human race
User avatar #257 to #254 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
because people are greedy. enough said. they want all the money and power. and damn progress. i suspect that we could be much further in our technological development and our knowledge of who we are and where we come from and perhaps even our purpose for being here if it weren't for greedy pricks who suppress knowledge.
#260 to #257 - potsmokingmonkey (01/05/2012) [-]
It just goes to show that whether we live under communism, capitalism etc, somebody is ******* us over. And we just accept it like sheep. Like contented, ignorant sheep. And what's even more frustrating is that we can't do a single thing about it. We can only know about these things that upset us so much.
User avatar #241 to #231 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
there are a lot of examples in alternative history, alternative energy, etc.

there are some great examples with alternative energy nowadays that is directly related to money. there are some very promising leads in cold fusion going on in italy right now, but that stuff doesn't get reported in the mainstream.

another great example is Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison. Edison developed Direct Current (DC) which was pretty inefficient and required tons of power stations to move electricity from one place to another. Tesla developed Alternating Current (AC - which is what we use today) which was much more efficient and effective and required far fewer power stations to move the electricity. Edison went on a smear campaign against Tesla and did awful things like frying live cows with electricity to prove that Tesla's AC current was dangerous and shouldn't be used by anyone. Eventually we wound up using AC because it's a more efficient form of electricity, but it took a while and in the end Edison took credit for it anyway.
#244 to #241 - potsmokingmonkey (01/05/2012) [-]
That is simply unbelievable. But then again, i shouldn't be surprised that human beings behave like this, even if they are scientists
User avatar #250 to #244 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
there are two kinds of science. the mainstream world of science where the big dogs hold the keys to acknowledgement and then there is legitimate science. legitimate science utilizes the principles that we're taught in school about trial and error, hypothesis, experiment, etc. mainstream science does whatever it has to in order to maintain their position in the world. that could be as mild as a respected scientist "blacklisting" someone so that they can't publish papers in scientific journals, or as extreme as killing or threatening people in order to suppress their work.
User avatar #237 to #231 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
just google suppressed science.

there are all kinds of example from all kinds of fields.

probably the worst is anthropology/archaeology. i can't remember the guy's name, i have it in a book that i can look up later when i get home to my kindle. but essentially, western archaeological science was informed by judeo-christian beliefs. the early scientists were usually heavily influenced by their faith and so any story that deviates from the christian prehistory is considered wrong. like the idea of advanced ancient civilizations. unfortunately history in the west tends to follow the bible as if it were fact and evidence of intelligent humans existing prior to ancient sumeria is disregarded.

i suggest reading a book called Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson. it's full of anomalous archaeological evidence that you won't find being taught in any school.

i also have a personal example, from psychology. before the official field of psychology was created, the mind was the realm of the church. so when psychology split from the church and became it's own thing, the psychologists were so afraid of being lumped in with religion as a superstition, and they kind of developed a complex. to this day some people call psychology a soft science and it pisses orthodox psychologists off really bad. problem is, now psychology (specifically consciousness research) is reaching into realms that are pretty close to metaphysics and/or spirituality. when i told a professor that these were the things i was interested in studying she flat out told me that i would never have a career if i did that. i would get black listed and never get anything published. all it takes is one reputable scientist to say that your work is bunk and you're done, career over.
#240 to #237 - potsmokingmonkey (01/05/2012) [-]
This is fascinating. I knew about scientists being threatened with death by the church for stating things like the earth being round and the moon having craters in it, but i never would have thought that science would be suppressed by scientists.
#265 to #240 - dehumanizer (01/05/2012) [-]
that was for pope's strive for power not because of the relegious teachings
User avatar #246 to #240 - personalreality (01/05/2012) [-]
oh yea. a lot of scientists have a lot of money involved in there being a "status quo" in the scientific community. if that equilibrium were disrupted by anomalous discoveries, a lot of people would lose a lot of money and face (they think they would look "stupid").

i hate to use the C word, but there is a huge conspiracy in modern mainstream science to suppress anything that they don't want the public to know. big companies as well as world governments buy patents (forced or not) all the time and then just lose them in some basement somewhere.
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