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User avatar #9 - ogctom (12/14/2011) [-]
isn't atheism sort of a religion? i mean it's a firm belief that there is absolutely no god, and its organized. just like religion there's no proof for it. just curious about your opinions on it.
#80 to #9 - MessyPanda (12/15/2011) [-]
Atheism is a religion. If he was agnostic that would mean he had no religious beliefs. The only reason this has so many negative thumbs is from the butthurt 12 year olds who don't know the difference and will thumb this down because they hate being called butthurt.
#51 to #9 - anonymous (12/15/2011) [-]
atheism=lack of religion. dumbass.
User avatar #54 to #51 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
atheism= lack of god
religion=collection of people with similar culture,beliefs,and morals
User avatar #47 to #9 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
organized how?
User avatar #50 to #47 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
Google atheist organizations. big list
User avatar #56 to #50 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
there's organizations for atheism yes but atheism isn't organised. they don't go to a place of worship on designated days of the week year exetera
User avatar #59 to #56 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
nether do all religious people
User avatar #60 to #59 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
didnt say there weren't just saying that atheism isnt a religion
User avatar #64 to #60 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
and to you what makes a religion a religion?
before you answer think about the benefits of making atheism a religion.
#78 to #64 - daviddares (12/15/2011) [-]
None that I can think of. Who cares anyways? You believe in what you believe.

As for your original question, and what I think other people are trying to get at, is that there isn't a sort of collective institution to which all atheists can relate to, like official religions have. I suppose there are segments and groups of Atheists in a region, but there isn't any sort of collective mentality that drives them together as a whole, and neither do they have a "Leader" so to speak. For example, Christianity (whatever branch or sect of it you are) is connected by Jesus Christ, God, etc. and in a somewhat more secluded scale, their religious leaders/ authorities such as the Pope. In Buddhism the connection would be Buddha and the leaders would be their high priests.


Atheism doesn't have that sort of organization that is world wide, or even nation wide (though I wouldn't be surprised to find something like the "National association of atheists"or "Atheists America United" or something along those lines. However, this are not international or even Nationally recognized as any sort of authority) , so I suppose its not a religion parse, however, I suppose its all in the eye of the beholder. Though its kind of ironical to call a religion something that is opposed to religion as a root, but thats an other story.
User avatar #68 to #64 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
i see no benefits its more of a mindset . to me a religion has to do with the belief of some sort of higher being or beings and some sort of law that they live by things they can/cant do . I didnt put much thought into that reply so i might have to correct myself later
User avatar #71 to #68 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
actually religion is just a group of people who believe in the same thing. religion will get you tax cuts, government support, and alot more push when it comes to deciding laws
User avatar #75 to #71 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
actually its this (found multiple sources dictionary.com)
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
User avatar #79 to #75 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
im talking about religions. use Christianity for example all they have in common is there belief in the bible. they even argue about that part. there morals are all over the scale. and the freaking book rephrases the beginning a couple times. yet its still a religion
User avatar #81 to #79 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
atheism dosent match that definition of religion or others seeing as they mention a practice there's no practice in atheism
User avatar #84 to #81 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
enjoying our sundays is one
arguing our views
User avatar #85 to #84 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
what do you mean enjoying your sundays for an atheist or a theist? and what religion are you if you have one?
User avatar #89 to #85 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
it was a joke. but nvm not all religions practice and not all people in the religions that do practice anyway. plus plus any time your praise someone for helping humanity instead of a god for what that person did you are practicing.
User avatar #92 to #89 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
which one dont practice?
User avatar #98 to #92 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
i was wrong about that sorry there isnt a religion i know of in witch people do nothing because then i wouldn't hear of it. but i know many people that the only practice of there religion is saying that there of that religion.
User avatar #115 to #98 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
and now someone thumbs me down because of butt hurt
User avatar #118 to #115 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
ive been thumbing anybody who debates with me up this entire time. i didnt do it
User avatar #57 to #56 - divinecreator (12/15/2011) [-]
etcetera*
User avatar #30 to #9 - pygmymarmosets (12/15/2011) [-]
#1 rule of funnyjunk: no opinions allowed.
User avatar #23 to #9 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
ok i will give you an example.
im in class and the teacher asks a really difficult question. i have no clue what the answer is. the kid at the front of the class guesses(religion). so the kid next to you(atheist) shouts "wrong" and makes fun of him. I lean over and ask "how did you know he was wrong? do you know the answer? 'the kid(atheist) say "i don't know the answer but he guessed so he must be wrong"
User avatar #24 to #23 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
sorry metaphor not example
#17 to #9 - crazedguy (12/14/2011) [-]
wow, like wow, srly WOW!
User avatar #15 to #9 - Aiwatcher (12/14/2011) [-]
Atheism is not a belief. Beliefs require faith, where atheism is a lack thereof. Simple answer. People kinda blew up on you.
User avatar #21 to #15 - Dima (12/15/2011) [-]
Atheists have faith in the thought that there is no God. Both sides have equal chance of being right, as there's an equal amount of proof for both. Meaning none. Nothing is known for sure.

I'm an atheist as well by the way. Just not a stupid one.
User avatar #19 to #15 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
so you know that there is no god? if not you just believe that there is no god. if yes please tell me how it would make things much simpler and we can get rid of all the christians
User avatar #26 to #19 - Aiwatcher (12/15/2011) [-]
I don't believe there is no god. I know there isnt. Whether that ultimately proves to be true or not remains to be seen. Do you believe you're on a computer right now? Do you believe theres a president of the US? No, you know there is. You may have not met the president but you know he's real, just as I know there is no god.
User avatar #28 to #26 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
saying you know is saying its true to you. your saying its already been seen that there is no god. i don't "know" that there is a president. i think it. its the most probable outcome but does not make me know it. who knows you could just be some crazy guy in a padded room and im just part of your imagination. you or me will never know anything.
#11 to #9 - anonymous (12/14/2011) [-]
How is it so hard for people to understand that not believing something isn't a belief.

Imagine going up to someone who has never heard of god or religion and saying "YOU BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD".

Some people are atheist-gnostic, with knowledge, in the sense you can see the evidence that the bible is plagiarised from more primitive religions. Do you think that's it co-incidence that Mithras has a nearly identical story to Jesus 600 years earlier?
How about the fact that Jesus died for nothing if Adam and Eve don't exist? Is there any evidence of Jesus' existence outside of the bible? Gnostic meaning with knowledge, he's an atheist from the evidence such as what I said above.

Atheist-Agnostic - without knowledge. Usually someone who has never heard of a god or religion or been convinced of religion but doesn't refute the possibility of a god-like being. I personally have this belief, I don't believe in such god-like being but I don't believe for a second that even if there was that any of our religions could be correct from the blatant holes in them.

Atheism is not a religion because it doesn't follow a dogma or belief system, it doesn't indoctrinate people, ect. By default you are atheist when you're born until someone feeds you that fairy-tale. We're all atheists in some sense, just others go one god further.

User avatar #14 to #11 - ogctom (12/14/2011) [-]
i am agnostic and my thought on the subject is there is no way for me to "know" and so when someone says there is no god(s) and no possible chance of one. the logical response is how do you know. exact response to people who say there is one. I myself don't know and have no way of knowing. Im confused by atheist who say the use logic and then argue something that they cant know. ohh and by some chance you found some irrefutable evidence proving there is or isn't a god id love to see it
#16 to #14 - anonymous (12/14/2011) [-]
I never said I had evidence that there is no god. I never said there was no possibility. I'm saying that any religious text's god on this earth has a very slim chance because of how horrible, inaccurate and sometimes evil these 'holy books' are.

It's not irrational to say there is no god because the belief is man-made. Reality is actually defined as that which continues to exist once you stop believing in it. So, apply the logic.

On the other hand you have various propositonal calculus proofs where you assume an infinitely small chance of there being a god like being and infinte universes and deduce that a god can exist in one of these universes. Is it concrete? No, it hinges on certain facts / axioms. So I don't believe it because not all facts are present.

I look it at it in the sense someone throws an infinitely sided dice with "god exists" on one side. The chances of it landing on "god exists" are so small that I don't consider the possibility as a reason to suspend all judgement on the issue. So I don't believe there is a god, but I'm still open to new evidence.
User avatar #18 to #16 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
problems with what you said.
1. atheism is belief there there is absolutely no possibility of there being a god. you must be thinking of agnosticism.
2. saying the belief is man made is only true if you truly believe there is no god or possibility of god otherwise its possible to be god made.
3 nobody said that a god has to be nice and kind.
4 a god wouldn't need to be written about or even known of by man to be a god.
#29 to #18 - anonymous (12/15/2011) [-]
Saying the belief is man-made only means that you don't think any of the current religious texts are not divine. And who can blame me for thinking that? They're far from perfect and make the god seem incredibly malicious.  
  
I never said god had to be nice or kind, but certainly if divine teachings teach that and then the same teachings contradict it, something is afoot.  
  
No, we have no way of knowing if a god-like being exists and I don't presume to know. Again, I go by what the evidence bears and there is no evidence of god. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but to say that god does exist would mean I'm arguing from ignorance because I don't know. Therefore with all the evidence stacked up against gods of the earth so far I'll believe there is no god until I see some new evidence. I'm Atheist-Agnostic because I don't know for certain and yes, that's a real term.
Saying the belief is man-made only means that you don't think any of the current religious texts are not divine. And who can blame me for thinking that? They're far from perfect and make the god seem incredibly malicious.

I never said god had to be nice or kind, but certainly if divine teachings teach that and then the same teachings contradict it, something is afoot.

No, we have no way of knowing if a god-like being exists and I don't presume to know. Again, I go by what the evidence bears and there is no evidence of god. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but to say that god does exist would mean I'm arguing from ignorance because I don't know. Therefore with all the evidence stacked up against gods of the earth so far I'll believe there is no god until I see some new evidence. I'm Atheist-Agnostic because I don't know for certain and yes, that's a real term.
User avatar #32 to #29 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
there you said it you looked at the probability of it and decided to believe in the most probable. my problem is not with people saying they believe in something, its with people who say they know something. christian "know" there is a god, atheists "know" there isn't.
#37 to #32 - anonymous (12/15/2011) [-]
I was trying to explain that it's not irrational to disbelieve something simply because you can't disprove or prove it, especially when the idea is surrounded in evidence against it(I.E all the primitive religions evolving into what we see today but retaining their refutable creation stories or irrational beliefs of the time such as the sun going round the earth).

Atheists don't believe there is a god, they don't 'know' there is no god. That's gnostic atheism which is when an atheists sees the evidence as described above concludes that it's all man-made and doesn't deserve anymore warrant for belief than say supernatural abilities such as psychics.

What you are is total agnosticism, you haven't concluded what is and what isn't which is a reasonable frame of mind as well, but you ultimately don't believe anything.
User avatar #38 to #37 - ogctom (12/15/2011) [-]
ohh i believe in thing all right, i just refuse to say what i believe is true and what others say is false. witch seems to be what most atheists i run into seem to do.
#10 to #9 - anonymous (12/14/2011) [-]
Sure, like not smoking is a habit and not stamp collecting is a hobby.
User avatar #13 to #10 - ogctom (12/14/2011) [-]
i was actually referring to the belief system of absolutely "knowing" that there is no god and how its similar to absolutely "knowing" there is one.
btw smoking is a choice just as not smoking is a choice. effected by chemical stimuli but still a choice in the end.
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