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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#69 - jrook
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a dorm room in america
User avatar #72 to #69 - manofparody
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actually.. my dorm room was twice that size with 3 bunk beds and a row of lockers at the other end. living with 5 other people is not the funnest thing.
#85 to #72 - xanjr
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dont kill the joke
dont kill the joke
#99 to #85 - manofparody
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#107 to #99 - neoncookie
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#142 to #107 - manofparody
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#148 to #72 - jrook
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actually mine has one other bed in it. Same space two people one desk.
User avatar #123 to #69 - bananaananas
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FIXED!!!
#43 - anon id: 73041c73
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What is it with Americans, you always speak of Europe as though it's a single country with a single series of traditions, values and concepts. This prison is in Scandinavia, Sweden or Norway I believe, the Nordics are very, very Liberal in terms of prison sentences and punishment. Try a prison in Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania . . .
User avatar #58 to #43 - galvanize
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same ****, lolz you have it easy...
#56 to #43 - vaskaduzea
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lol prisons in serbia , they are most ********* , i have a friend that got 1 year for marihuana and he says its awful :)
User avatar #129 to #43 - purpleprince
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Your forgot Denmark, they are also a part of Scandinavia.
User avatar #50 to #43 - omeglepwner
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england isnt quite as strict as romania but it aint lenient, we have a prison called strangeways.. that says it all!
#51 to #50 - Aftershock
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Haha, I grew up in Africa. Try out a prison there!
User avatar #61 to #51 - spacegrim
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They HAVE prisons?... wait, they have LAWS?
#57 to #43 - mattythebeaver
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Nordic you say?
#45 to #43 - raulito
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This is a prison cell in Norway. (**** Logic) And technically America is also not a country. The US is.
#53 to #45 - kutso
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Right, America is not a country. But what do you call people from the U.S?
#54 to #53 - Frobias
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fat, illiterate, or inbred?
#55 to #54 - kutso
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Touché, my friend. Touché.
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#77 to #45 - epicuz
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that's certanly not a prison cell in norway. that's the kings bed or something.
#76 to #45 - anon id: 73041c73
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The demonym for someone from the United States of America was 'American' last time I checked.
#65 - arianadeathwish
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We take way too good care of our criminals. We even give them money, no ****.
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User avatar #87 to #79 - arianadeathwish
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Why is that?
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User avatar #154 to #145 - arianadeathwish
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Well, if you define lifetime in the looneybin as "luxury" then I guess there's no help in it. Norwegians are idealist by nature.
#92 to #79 - okh
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We hate you too, ********. :)
#74 to #65 - anon id: 851a1eb5
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I wish there would be an exception

******* deleting the picture after I upload it, don't want anything to do with that guy...
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User avatar #155 to #146 - arianadeathwish
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Do you think a death sentence will change the fact? I agree that he gets too much, but I'd much rather have him treated so we can understand how to deal with these people than to see the man rot in prison with total disregard for his victims.
User avatar #88 to #74 - arianadeathwish
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I guess I could see that, but I still believe in rehabilitation and therapy. To the nuthouse with him for life, I say.
User avatar #89 to #65 - sutrakama
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Just as us here in Sweden...
User avatar #91 to #89 - arianadeathwish
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Strange, isn't it?
User avatar #93 to #91 - sutrakama
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Yeah! But even if we had rough deserving prisons, at least in Sweden, we only give criminals like 8 years for murder... O.o
User avatar #97 to #93 - arianadeathwish
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I'm not sure what we give o.o I think life-time should be a valid punishment though.
User avatar #98 to #97 - sutrakama
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Indeed!
#138 to #65 - anon id: 3b66ffa1
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Same thing in Finland. Damn, Nordics law sucks hard D8
User avatar #141 to #138 - arianadeathwish
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I like that we're idealist, but it's kinda getting exploited by immigrants :/
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#95 to #73 - okh
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HEIPÅL
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User avatar #90 to #73 - arianadeathwish
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Luckily, no. He's gonna be sent to a looneyhouse for life.
#80 to #73 - anon id: a090986a
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Well, that guy is going to a mental institution.
He was so pissed when he heard it !


#102 - buttfranklin
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It's a pleasant environment because Europe follows a system of what is known as the 'positivist school of criminology', which is based around treatment and rehabilitation of the offender; rather than the outdated and barbaric 'classicist theory' which is simply based around retribution and punishment for the offence.

Does it work? Compare the crime rates in Norway to those in America.
User avatar #120 to #102 - Dropkicksxxx
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True sir, it seems that you folk across the ocean are very humanitarian, while we just like tp punish punish punish, why not take a small time criminal and make them into a hardend criminal, I hat ehow my country is ran haha, ****
#133 to #102 - XThePhantomX
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Good on ya mate
#118 to #102 - digestivebiscuit
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Rapists in England are frequently let out early to repeat their offenses.
Jon Venables commited one of the most attrocious crimes in our history (he and a friend horrifically tortured a two year old boy to death when they were ten) and when released was soon imprisoned again for downloading child pornography.
And you want to talk crime rates? Norway has a generally secluded population of of under 5 million while America has more than 300 million people, with over 80% of them living in urban environments. It only takes a glance at statistics to know that crime rates soar in cities - especially larger ones - for a multitude of reasons.
There is no control to compare your claims with, so you can't conclude that the correlation is casuality.
#143 to #118 - buttfranklin
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Of course you can get nutjobs like Venables (And Anders Behring Breivik) that can pop up anywhere, but you can't judge a system by a selection of failures alone. Some people are just dicks, but that doesn't mean the system is ineffective.

And yeah - Norway has a lot of other factors going for it that reduce the crime rate, but there are many other countries with a similar population size and distribution with significantly greater crime rates, like (google, google) Turkmenistan.

Much higher rate of offending over there. Yeah, it's a less wealthy country, but if wealth was the solution to crime, the USA would be nowhere near the top of the crime scoreboard.

The justice system undeniably plays a large part in crime rates, especially in regard to repeat offending.

Wait, this isn't college. What the **** am I writing?
#153 to #143 - digestivebiscuit
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You've completely misinterpreted my point, I stated that Venables was released and reoffended. I don't like to use extreme examples since they usually skew the argument, but this is actually relevant - an obviously sadistic and twisted man was released onto the general public and reoffended - whereas Breivik was not subjected to any measures of punishment or rehabilitation to prevent him from commiting his atrocities, so his actions are not any representation of the justice system.

Turkmenistan and these other high crime countries owe their crime rates to many other factors - lack of a stable government, corruption, ethnic tensions, drugs, lack of education etc. - and the justice system is quite irrelevant in these extreme circumstances.

I'm sorry if I seem aggressive, I just hate the fact that weak jail sentences leave the general public at risk to monsters. Jail should primarily be a place to keep dangerous people who would harm the rest of the populace until they are fit to rejoin society, and if prison is soft then there's not much incentive to obey the law when they leave. However I definately see your point and agree that rehabilitation is important, but it can't be used on its own just as punishment can't be used on its own too. A middle ground is the way to rehabilitate criminals - both the carrot and the stick are needed.
#33 - JordanJwoww
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looks like my dorm room...
#34 to #33 - anon id: b25b474a
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mine too....
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User avatar #27 - theldrassius
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We don't punish crime, we treat it.

-Intelligent people
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#49 - hellwain
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thats actualy a cell in norway ( oslo)
User avatar #24 - rubanman
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no ****** way, that damn cell is nicer than my college dorm room
#29 to #24 - maremannen
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its true, its a picture from norway, where i live
User avatar #152 to #29 - rubanman
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well ****. murder gets a long prison sentence in norway, too, right?
#156 to #152 - maremannen
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a guy killed 80 people here. he just have to be in jail in 20 years
User avatar #9 - datifu
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this is actually a Norwegian prison.

And yes Norway is in Europe, but not all the European prisons are like that.
(they got TV's, Xbox and even access to the internet.)
Here they make money while in prison, can get a education they are even allowed out sometimes, its ****** up.

#12 to #9 - anon id: 5b209889
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Well would you rather them spend years in jail getting angrier and angrier, or would you want to re-rehabilitate them so they don't do it again?
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#150 to #13 - jrook
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if you're into punishment just kill them or torture them. If punishment was the purpose of prisons it no longer is
User avatar #15 to #9 - Sedrikk
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The crime and murder rate here in Norway speaks for itself. And don't bring up Breivik, that wasn't crime, that was terrorism.
User avatar #16 to #9 - Missdomayuset
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Perhaps they are more interested in rehabilitation... but I can see plenty exploiting the system.
User avatar #17 to #16 - datifu
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I would understand the interest my country shows in rehabilitation if it actually worked...

User avatar #11 to #9 - gammajk
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And yet it works much better than everywhere else...