Eh, I think its to each there own. Just a lot of vegans are really stuck up and righteous, though i've met a few that are, nah its fine if you eat it, its just my choice. Personally, I love vegetables and meat. and when i eat meat i make sure not to waste it. Its great if you dont want animals to die but not every bodies going to think the same way or switch over. Like me, i like meat, but I make sure and tell others to not waste any food be it vegetables or meat. Imagine how many less animals would die if we managed to get people to stop being wasteful. (Which admittedly is a easier task to get them to stop wasting then to get them to just switch over)

As breekachu said, it won't stop the industry completely, atleast not in our lifetime. But it decreases the demand for meat. If you consider the number of vegans/vegetarians compared to a couple decades ago, it's grown quite a bit. And it will most likely continue to grow. We honestly have no need for the consumption of meat anymore with so many alternatives out there, so that argument that we were created to eat mean therefore should still eat meat is invalid. Again, I'm not trying to shove this down your throat like many other vegans/vegetarians try to do, I just want people to understand that we're not trying to save the world or assume that we're better than everyone else just because we choose to not eat meat. It's just that select few that give everyone else a bad name, as usual.

I get where you're coming from, it won't stop it happening, we simply don't support the industry our selves.

And look at all the haters. I agree with you, breekachu.
People are ignorant.

Our family has a farm. We raise about a dozen cows and 60 chickens a year, all organic. We also grow about 50 acres of corn, also organic. We keep what we need and sell the rest as extra income. It's very little work and we eat all the delicious meat, all animals free-range, all organic, and killed as humanely as possible. So, how bout No to your silly little trollish attitude. Not everyone lives off mcdonalds quality beef.

How does one make organic cows and chicken?

Raised organically sir, fed only organic feeds, not given any hormones/drugs, maybe more, but then again im not really the farmer type, just help my dad out when he needs it.

I basically hate the very word ''organic''. It smells like a marketing bullshit.

It's a very real thing that's been taken advantage of due to loose terminology for organic status by the FDA and shit, but it really just means all natural, no bullshit, fed, watered, and butchered animals. I know exactly what you mean, when i see something on a box a crackers or some shit that has the word organic in the title for no other reason that to basically masturbate their product in front of us, i put it down and give it very simple answer.

NO.

At this point, it almost seems like the food industry has defined anything not entirely made from synthetic materials as 'organic'. Rather sad :/

Obviously, there are ggg farmers like yourself, but the majority of meat comes from farms that allow the abuse of these creatures.

I'm sorry but, what the fuck is the point in most animals if we don't kill and eat them?

To live our lives... Death of Animals< Food< Live longer. Idiot.

What, oh my god, you're a fuckwit.

People on vegan diets actually tend to live longer on average.

That's a fact Richard Simmons.

I did catering and hospitality at college, I've got an A level in the subject. I think I have a greater understanding of the life span of fucking vegans.

Well, the evidence I have heard said that vegans tend to live longer than meat eaters.

Well sorry to say this, but your evidence is bullshit. although I do believe we should bring an end to this thread. Truce? Mutual Understanding?

Ask a meat-eater to do a study on the matter and they'll tell you that meat-eaters live longer.

Ask a vegan to do a study on the matter and they'll tell you that vegans live longer.

Perfect point there.

This is true.

>doesn't know what my evidence is

> Is definitely right

You claim to know more than me on the matter? Please. Enlighten me.

Dude, watch the video. It'd be easier than me extracting facts from it.

Can't be arsed to watch an hour an a half video at the moment. Might do later. I'll get back to you with when I've watched it.

Ok

Not that it's necasarily the norm, but the fattest woman i know is 100% vegan, and she has been for about 15 years. She's like 400 pounds and can barely walk, she's a teacher an my campus. It doesn't matter what you eat, if you eat enough of it, you're gonna be a fatass.

So far I've heard differently.

Why don't we kill all the vegans? Then we'll see who has the longer life span.

What?? That's the most stupid point I've ever seen made.