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#86 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
Sorry to shock you, but smoking weed does not cure cancer.
#294 to #86 - lordoftheferrets (11/19/2011) [-]
Not cure, but slow the process of production of cancer cells.
User avatar #402 to #294 - lordmoldywart (11/19/2011) [-]
It doesn't stop the cancer AT ALL

It is simply a pain-reliever
#644 to #402 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
I know. Use a dictionary, slow and stop are not the same thing bro.
User avatar #296 to #294 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
Not smoking, because do your bloody research once. Heavens no. NOT. SMOKING.
User avatar #632 to #296 - thefran (11/20/2011) [-]
The amount of retarded potheads is at least five, then.
#349 to #296 - lordoftheferrets (11/19/2011) [-]
Smoking in general is not good for you. however most the shit that makes say tobacco so bad is in the tobacco plant itself. Especially in cigarettes where there is a hell of a lot more than just tobacco in it. Weed has this magical ability to "cancel" all of the carcinogens in it and even then some.

However, smoking in general is not the best thing for your body. But its worst for you to smoke tobacco then weed. Hands down.

So, you're half right. Yes, it would be better to use a vaporizer (it makes it so you don't smoke the plant but just the THC), but not to the point of saying "heavens no. Not smoking".
User avatar #491 to #349 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
This is not how THC's anti-cancer possibilities work.

You can not just get high on it and incidentally magically cure cancer. The scientists go out of their way to specifically mention that it does not work that way.
#645 to #491 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
1) Then tell me, how does it work?

2) I'm going to stop you right there. First who off, who are "The scientists". Millions and millions of dollars have been spent by hundreds of companies and the government to make it a devil plant. That you can't ignore. Little money has been given to the opposite cause (part of why we stayed ignorant for so long). So obviously you're going to see a 9 to 1 argument as far as research is concerned.

Essentially, thats why you see statistics like, "There are twice as many carcinogens in marijuana than cigarettes!" which is counteracted by "There is no clear connection between marijuana usage alone and cancer."

I guess what Im saying is, there is just so much we don't know. We don't have enough research in this field of study. We just have a lot of lies and myths that really have no clear answer.

It is my belief that weed is the best we got right now. I'm not saying switch it out with Chemotherapy or anything, I'm saying that it has potential and it sucks way less than chemotherapy which isn't guaranteed to work.

IT'S NOT A CURE, RIGHT NOW ALL WE KNOW IS THAT IT MAY SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS OF CANCER CELLS. MORE REASEARCH MUST BE DONE (which has no funding, btw) BEFORE ANYONE CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM.
User avatar #648 to #645 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
Oh, and by "scientists" I mean those same scientists that discovered this.
#649 to #648 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
*Cough cough National Cancer Institute cough*

Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of my coughing. What were the scientists you were referencing?
User avatar #651 to #649 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
Cancer Research, UK.

"It absolutely isn't the case that men might be able to fight prostate cancer by smoking cannabis" - Leslie Walker
#652 to #651 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
That goes hand and hand with what I said. It's not a cure. It merely slows it down.
User avatar #653 to #652 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
That's hilarious. Scientists say "You can't fight cancer by smoking", and you fail to notice the words "you can't".

Once again: when you smoke cannabis, _this does not bloody work
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You, as far as I know, need to inject the extract.

And even this is injecting poison, that just happens to kill tumors faster than other cells, while also causing rapid growth in other tumors.
#654 to #653 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
I know what I said. I'm saying that it slows it down. You're not going to fight cancer with it. If you merely smoke cannabis and you're about to die from cancer. Then you're going to die from fucking cancer. Its merely going to slow it down. IT WILL NOT STOP IT NOR MAKE IT GO AWAY.

So NO you CANT fight cancer w/ cannabis.
User avatar #656 to #654 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
Another thing: "fighting" is not the same as "curing". Which is something you also don't know, again, because you are a pothead and you are not above lying.
User avatar #655 to #654 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
God damn all potheads are stupid.

Research claimed that THC extract affects some of the tumors (while causing rapid tumour growth in other cases). But not when smoked.

Then you quote this research, concluding: yeah, smoking totes affects cancer.

I can tell you something about how it affects cancer. By causing it. And nothing more.
#657 to #655 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
sigh, i'm done with you. enjoy being an idiot. frankly I don't even know why I got involved with an internet fight.

And may I say it again. I don't smoke pot. I have before but i never really enjoyed it.
User avatar #646 to #645 - thefran (11/21/2011) [-]
> Then tell me, how does it work?

It (not when being smoked, but as an injected extract) rarely slows progression of some forms of cancer in rats, when injected directly into the tumor; however, it promotes rapid growth of cancer cells in some other cases.


TL;DR it is not different from chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Basically, it's using poison that's more poisonous for cancer cells than for the rest ot the body.
Except marijuana is much less reliable and has side effects such as, oh,_ rapid cancer cell growth_ previously mentioned.


Yeah, it magically cures cancer forever when smoked, you pothead.
#650 to #646 - lordoftheferrets (11/21/2011) [-]
I don't smoke pot, bro. I'm simply informed.

AND I would like a link to this article of yours.
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User avatar #87 to #86 - rupturedpelvis (11/19/2011) [-]
However, certain strand of cannabis, when converted to liquid form and experimented don, could one day have the potential to cure cancer.
User avatar #405 to #87 - lordmoldywart (11/19/2011) [-]
It just relieves pain it does nothing to the cancer
User avatar #88 to #87 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
None of the potheads give a tinker's cuss about economy, cancer, paper and ropes, glaucoma or epilepsy.

They want to be able to freely smoke pot and get high, preferably cheap or maybe even completely free.
User avatar #157 to #88 - goochtvi (11/19/2011) [-]
well duh of course they do. the economy, cancer, paper and ropes, glaucoma and epilepsy shit is just an added bonus. tokers gonna toke, legal or not.
User avatar #229 to #157 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
> well duh of course they do.

I see that they enjoy lying.
User avatar #109 to #88 - stukka (11/19/2011) [-]
Yeah, think of all the cops and customs guys that would be out of work!
#132 to #109 - N. Korean citizen (11/19/2011) [-]
Actually man when you send potheads to jail they get angry learn how to do real crimes like the guys in there did like stealing murder shit like that and if we legallize that we won't have to spend so much money on catching pot smokers and we can focus funding on more important crimes not only that the tax revenue from legallizing it could go to scientific funding and maybe we could refund nasa also hemp can be used to make a number of things paper,rope, and cheap fuel (etc) so not all of those guys would lose their job. (phunkyzilla signing out)
User avatar #152 to #132 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
> if we legallize that we won't have to spend so much money on catching pot smokers


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/opinion/la-ed-prop19-20100924
User avatar #122 to #109 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
You think anyone can make any amounts of alcohol and tobacco and freely sell it anywhere?
User avatar #89 to #88 - rupturedpelvis (11/19/2011) [-]
I won't deny that most potheads just use "cure cancer" or "help stimulate the economy" as mere excuses to legally do what they already illegally do. They just want hemp to be less expensive. but in doing that, it would open up a whole new business, maybe even revolutionizing the way we think. Still, stoners don't care they just want more weed.
User avatar #90 to #89 - Krags (11/19/2011) [-]
By legalizing weed you'd make it more expensive.the taxes on pot would be huge. Also Cannabis has no magical cancer curing effects. Those diagnosed with cancer going though chemo therapy lose their appetite and run a high risk of dying from malnourishment. Pot helps maintain a healthy appetite so they don't wither away.
User avatar #97 to #90 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
And imagine all the regulations you'd have to make.

FDA will have to do a lot of research to make new standards, etc, etc, imagine the millions in taxes wasted just on the process of legalization itself.

Alcohol and tobacco are much more profitable than weed because of the popularity, and their taxing won't come even close to 1% of the national debt US is in.
#192 to #97 - jerkitdaly (11/19/2011) [-]
We gain something like $50 billion a year from tobacco...guess how much we lose? Around $100 billion for health care, and another $100 billion for lack of productivity. That's right, we lose $150 billion more from tobacco than we gain.
User avatar #99 to #97 - Krags (11/19/2011) [-]
@thefran- exactly.

It's a shitty little circle we have here. People are going to continue clogging our justice system and whine about the legalization, but there is barely any profit in it!
User avatar #106 to #99 - TastyBurger (11/19/2011) [-]
It's the number one cash crop in America, ranked higher than corn. How is that "barely any profit"?

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/cashcrops.html
User avatar #185 to #106 - Krags (11/19/2011) [-]
You do realize this is all before efforts to tax and legalize marijuana right? as of right now there are no tariffs and people aren't being paid not to grow it, like corn.
It can gross 35m because its a free floating crop.

Don;t even get me started on how corn has been genetically engineered to a point where it no longer is able to reproduce past two seasons.

The point is in the long run the profits made off of legal pot would be much smaller then what it s hyped to be.
User avatar #126 to #106 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
Marijuana would bring you like five or six billion dorrar at most, while the national debt is 15 trillion.
User avatar #187 to #126 - Krags (11/19/2011) [-]
well actually not even if right now the hypothetical numbers are 35million, if Tastyburger is right and that value stays the same in practice only a partial amount of that money would flow into the national debt you know unless the farmers don't mind not making a profit off of the plant.
User avatar #133 to #126 - TastyBurger (11/19/2011) [-]
It would also keep innocent people out of jail and put more jobs into peoples hands.

It won't solve ALL the problems, but it sure is a good start.
User avatar #135 to #133 - thefran (11/19/2011) [-]
> It would also keep innocent people
Yoiu can't be innocent if you committed a crime.

> put more jobs into peoples hands.
You silly little human being, think about the humongous amount of paperwork, new laws, regulations and so on you would ABSOLUTELY need to do first.

Do you think people would pay the 50$ per ounce tax willfullingly? Bwcause weed apparentlyu makes people honest in some way or what?
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