This guy!

#437 to #308 - meglikescookies (10/20/2011) [-]

I'd taste that rainbow.

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#312 to #308 - winchestersex (10/20/2011) [-]

yes god is real lokk at that girl her socks rock and also the obvious ass

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#693 to #667 - originaltroll **User deleted account** (10/21/2011) [-]

thats me.

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#682 to #667 - thelastplatapus (10/21/2011) [-]

a thousand thumbs for you. i hate my christian friends who press it a little to hard

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#692 to #682 - floofy (10/21/2011) [-]

read the picture and then the post again

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#317 - sosyourmom (10/20/2011) [-]

another reason god is a dick...

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#657 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [+] (22 replies)

Some atheists are convinced of their argument because it is logical and reasonable, which indeed it is.
There is one major problem with this. The only thing that says logic and reason are infallible are well...logic and reason themselves. It defies the very laws of logic and reason to use an assumption to prove itself, and here we get into circular logic.
In order to base any arguments on logic and reason, you have to first make an ASSUMPTION that logic and reason form the basis of all truths.

I choose to put my faith in logic and reason, but FAITH is all it is. It is just as much of a mental leap to put faith in logic as it is to put faith in a deity.

I put my faith in logic and reason because it is the one tool that sets man apart from the other beings on this planet, and has allowed us to become the dominant species. I cannot be sure that this conclusion is correct, and this is why I leave myself open to the possibility of a deity through agnosticism . I used to be one of those "how can you believe in god it makes no sense therefore you are stupid" people but I realized I was being hypocritical for the reasons stated above.

I know this is long and some people won't read but I think it would be beneficial for some of the scientific-minded people like myself to read this.

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#684 to #657 - robtheninja (10/21/2011) [-]

Yea, I'm the same way. I grew up around my dad being a strong atheist, so I became one as well. I opened myself up to agnosticism after taking a philosophy class in which I was assigned to defend the existence of God with the ontological argument. I wanted to ace it of course, so I read so deeply into the argument (as well as a couple of other ones) that I stopped and thought to myself "wow, this is way more complex than I thought. I shouldn't be able to adamantly say one way or the other that God exists. There is no undeniable proof for either of the two sides of the argument." That's way I am an agnostic as well.

#690 to #684 - robtheninja (10/21/2011) [-]

That's why*

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#680 to #657 - punchguru (10/21/2011) [-]

Incredible.

#674 to #657 - sierramistfourteen (10/21/2011) [-]

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thank you for saying that, couldn't have said it better myself

#742 to #657 - N. Korean citizen (10/21/2011) [-]

I like how science states there are different dimensions, with probably different "laws" and think there couldn't be a god. I think the dimension where in are like rankings. and someones obviously at the very top. Just pulling the strings for fun. The biggest thing blocking freedom, is thinking you are actually free. The best thing you can do is realize it and try to become free, by doing the impossible, by which would become possible.

#750 to #742 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

Careful with your use of the word "obvious". On the subject of dimensions, I think you might find this interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q_GQqUg6Ts

#699 to #657 - theracistpanda (10/21/2011) [-]

I'm assuming you're an atheiest, and I respect your beliefs. I also respect that you remain open to new ideas. An atheist lives down the road from me and I'm pretty sure he thinks Christains (and other religions that include a deity, I'm assuming) are stupid. You are not one of those people.
gave u a thum

#711 to #699 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

Agnostic. The only thing I am sure of is my own ignorance to the truths of the universe. I live my life following logic and reason to keep myself sane but I am completely aware that this is a choice and I could be completely wrong. I also don't believe that logic and reason and religion must be mutually exclusive. It is entirely possible that a deity created the universe and implemented logic and reason to "govern" it, and the rest just fell into place. Who knows? Not me.

#685 to #657 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]

I think you're misusing the "Faith" here. That is to believe that has no evidence for. Scientific theories however don't need faith, because they have evidence to support them. It doesn't take faith to NOT to believe in something. Does it take faith to deny the claims about bigfoot?
But anyways good comment. ;)

#702 to #685 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

In order to consider this evidence valid you need to determine that the evidence shows causation. Cause and effect are products of logic and reason. Nothing says logic and reason imply truth other than our own intuition. Once again we hit a roadblock where we must take a leap of faith and assume that logic and reason are valid.

#897 to #702 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]

I don't think we need a leap of faith to assume that reason and logic are valid.
Or I don't quite understand what you're saying, do you care to elaborate for me?

#1029 to #897 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

My whole point is that logic and reason cannot be used as the be-all end-all argument for proving things right or wrong, simply because there is nothing that says logic and reason are themselves infallible. Our intuition may tell us that we can draw valid conclusions using logic and reason, but there is nothing concrete that says that this is true. How the human brain perceives the world is not necessarily how the world actually is, because our methods of observation are inherently flawed. Our eyes see only the visible spectrum, our ears pick up changes in air pressure etc, but the reality we create in our brains is based on the observations of only our 5 senses, and this does not necessarily imply that this reality is objective. Logic and reason make sense to us because we are logical and reasonable beings. Do you see the error in that statement? We cannot use our own subjective view of the world to prove that this view is correct. To do so would violate the very laws of the logic and reason that we give so much credit.

Here is an example:
God exists because God said in the Bible that God exists.
This is obviously logically flawed, because one assumption cannot be used to prove itself according to the laws of logic.
Now compare that statement to this one:
Logic and reason are valid tools to prove truths about the world because logic and reason themselves are logical and reasonable.
See the similarity?
Ironic as it may be, logic itself prevents us from "proving" that logic is infallible, because it cannot be used to prove its own validity.

This is where the leap of faith comes in. Since we cannot "prove" through logic that logic is valid, we must ASSUME that logic is valid. This assumption is just the same as the assumption that God exists. The only difference is that logic seems intuitive to you and me, and God seems intuitive to others.

#1237 to #1029 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]

"Logic and reason are valid tools to prove truths about the world because logic and reason themselves are logical and reasonable. "
What about science and evidence? That contradicts religion, and a lot of things that are in the bible for example. Because it's not reality. To me personally, the idea of a deity is just ridiculous.
Although I must give you thumbs up for your insight.

#1238 to #1237 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

You're still missing my point. Science and evidence are LOGICAL entities. The scientific method, the method used to connect cause with effect, is a LOGICAL process.
Example:
Carbon dating looks at what percentage of the original radioactive carbon-14 atoms are left in an object. Since the half-life of carbon-14 is known, once the percentage of intact carbon-14 is known, it is a simple calculation to find out how old something is.
But between the evidence and the solution there is a logical assumption. If we are to believe our calculation, we must assume that the carbon-14 behaved as it logically should have over time, and decayed exponentially.
We use logic to piece together all cause and effect pairs such as this. Science and evidence are just branches of logic and reason.
Since logic and reason have no firm basis which validates them, neither do science and evidence. They make sense to us, but we cannot PROVE them, sadly.
Do you see my point yet? It is easy for us to say that nothing in the Bible makes sense scientifically, but what we are saying is the logical equivalent of saying "Science is wrong because God said so". You cannot use an assumption to prove another assumption wrong. Since logic is an assumption, you cannot use it to prove religion wrong.

#1243 to #1238 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]

I understand what you're saying. But that doesn't mean that science is wrong.
Does that mean science's wrong (Which it isn't.)?
Does that mean all scientific theories wrong? Is science no longer valid to debunk ridiculous desert mythology? If so, I do not share your view on this.

#1248 to #1243 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

Read the comment below first, but once you are done I have a question for you that I think will illustrate my point.

PROVE to me that logic and science are infallible and can always be used to form an accurate representation of the truth.

If you can do that, I will concede the discussion to you.
You will also probably win a Nobel Prize...

#1249 to #1248 - TheZohan (10/21/2011) [-]

I'll have to admit to admit that this is probably the hardest riddle I've ever encountered.
However, thanks to research and evidence we know how stuff works that brings us further to the truth, but since those words are just branches of logic and reason, I guess they're invalid. (You know, when you said, "Science and evidence are just branches of logic and reason")
But what if you made a mistake about what word would be the root of science, how do you know that it's "logic and reason" that is the root of all those things? Maybe there's another word?
I'll admit, I can not solve your riddle and prove that logic and science are infallible.
But I will still accept science and there's nothing that will make me change my mind about that. I rather want a real answer for things even if it means I'll die before I get the actual answer, I will always reject idea of a deity and supernatural things.

#1255 to #1249 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/22/2011) [-]

There that's all I'm saying. I choose science too but we have to realize that it is indeed a choice. These things make sense to us as logical beings and so we are comfortable with accepting science as truth. I'm not saying that we need to live our lives thinking every day that everything we know is wrong, but I find that the science folk aren't as quick to ridicule and discredit religious folk when they look at it from this perspective. Good talk though.

#1247 to #1243 - BobbyMcFerrin (10/21/2011) [-]

*sigh* I never said anything was "wrong". All I am saying is that it is short-sighted and ignorant to blindly accept science as absolute unconditional truth. It is also short-sighted and ignorant to blindly accept religion as absolute unconditional truth.
Arguments that use science to disprove religion are pointless because both are base on initial assumptions.
At the root of the science vs. religion discussion is just a simple decision that is made by each individual to put faith in logic or to put faith in god. There is no proof, no amount of science that can disprove religion because when it comes down to it there is nothing that can prove science itself. You cannot build a house without a solid foundation, and since a solid foundation does not exist for either science or religion, neither view can be used to build an argument against the other. Try as you might, it is simply impossible to present a valid argument using one against the other.

If you believe in logic, then it is contradictory to your own beliefs to believe logic to be unquestionably valid.
In order for a person to follow logic and not contradict their own belief system, they MUST acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that logic is invalid.

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#681 to #657 - joachimstraad (10/21/2011) [-]

This is why I am a nihilist. Well said.

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#839 - whothefuckami (10/21/2011) [+] (14 replies)

I don't understand what all the Christian hate is coming from? Yes I'm a Christian, but my religion doesn't make me an arrogant prick like all the atheists think. I don't talk about my religion unless someone is curious to what I believe, I don't shove it down people's throat, I don't mind gay marriage, I just believe Christ is my savoir. Not every christian is an arrogant ass. In fact, I see more hate on Christians from Atheists, then Atheists from Christians. Ironically I feel like im more Open-minded then most Atheists

BTW: Just so you know, you cannot prove God exists, but neither can you disprove his existence, that's a double negative. But to each their own.

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#844 to #839 - N. Korean citizen (10/21/2011) [-]

#1222 to #844 - field (10/21/2011) [-]

thumb for you, hardest LOL of the day

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#865 to #839 - N. Korean citizen (10/21/2011) [-]

That's wonderful and all, but who are you attempting to argue against? Also, I find that being atheist or at least non deistic in society is frowned upon. Could I run for president without being christian? I would get booed off stage! Sometimes I feel as though anything that challenges or attempts to refute religion is seen as an abomination. So in essence, I think the internet "hate" on Christians is just backlash for atheism and agnosticism being rejected by mainstream society... Or at least the media. I can see the headline now, "Atheist Demon Runs for Office! Grab Your Guns and Bibles!" (A bit of an exaggeration, perhaps a large one)

#894 to #865 - whothefuckami (10/21/2011) [-]

I can understand some of the anger. There ARE arrogant prick Christians, but alot of us are pretty cool (least the ones I know). I don't hate people because they don't share my beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want. I just hope people saw the good Christians more then the asshole ones (I.E. Westboro Baptist Church) who in all honesty, aren't Christians.

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#862 to #839 - kitsunekoma (10/21/2011) [-]

AMEN!!

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#893 to #839 - lordfaggotmaster (10/21/2011) [-]

Proof.....Westboro Baptist

#928 to #893 - dudeofdudez **User deleted account** (10/21/2011) [-]

The thing is, they're aren't the majority of the Christian belief. they're just one of the most famous for being such incredible douche bags. I honestly think that they're a disgrace to Christianity.

#874 to #839 - mechaemperor (10/21/2011) [-]

I'm an atheist, but I like you. I left Christianity when I saw all the shit that made no sense in the dogma, I cannot fathom the ideas such religion creates.

#869 to #839 - Sharkyjake (10/21/2011) [-]

Christians like you give me hope bro. I don't mind religion, but because of your fellow followers I no longer accept it. The bastards tried to shove it down my throat so I said fuck it and stopped trying to believe.

#878 to #839 - dudeofdudez **User deleted account** (10/21/2011) [-]

Marry me.

#849 to #839 - 1234321 (10/21/2011) [-]

sadly majority of christians aren't like you
which is why athiests give them what for

#863 to #849 - tuesdayscoming (10/21/2011) [-]

actually, most Christians ARE like that. The ones that are stupid just stick out more, so it makes us seem like idiots.

#868 to #863 - 1234321 (10/21/2011) [-]

yea i started thinking bout that right after i posted lol

#887 to #839 - N. Korean citizen (10/21/2011) [-]

It seems the atheists on this site are the arrogant pricks

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#471 to #468 - thanksverymuch (10/20/2011) [-]

Nevermind, this made me believe again.

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thanks very much thanksverymuch

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hoow did this become a random image?????

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#94 - staticenhance (10/20/2011) [+] (1 reply)

If god isn't real, then why does zip zop zoobity bop?

Theists: 0
Atheists: 0
Bill Cosby: 1

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#105 to #94 - accdodson (10/20/2011) [-]

boop?

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#631 - thebigshow (10/20/2011) [+] (9 replies)

I don't like how people can make a post bashing religion ( I'm speaking generally of course not just this post) and its thumbed and congratulated, yet if someone was to make a post about religion it would be red thumbed like a mofo.
I believe in A god and I don't shove it in your face, so don't shove your atheism( or whatever you want it to be called) in mine

Thats my FJ rant for today

#678 to #631 - klaemint (10/21/2011) [-]

This is the internet... things like negros, religion, women are not talked about as in real life.

#655 to #631 - sicrights (10/20/2011) [-]

The post isn't here for the soul purpose of bashing religion. It's funny commentary from a great comedian, and this is FUNNYjunk after all... If you're that insecure about your faith that you can't have a good laugh about it get off the internet.

#663 to #655 - thebigshow (10/21/2011) [-]

I never said I didnt laugh I was only making an observation

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#648 to #631 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [-]

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#646 to #631 - sammen (10/20/2011) [-]

I believe in a Goddess. If your God weren't shoved not only in my face but down my throat as I am branded a sinner and ranted at about how I am going to hell for believing so, so often... I'd probably sympathize with you more. For now I am just going to laugh, and thumb the content.

#650 to #646 - thebigshow (10/20/2011) [-]

Believing in something or not believing in something is like a PENIS, its fine if you have one just dont shove it in my face

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#662 to #650 - neoexdeath (10/21/2011) [-]

Killjoy...

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#637 to #631 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [-]

iso logic

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#643 to #631 - haker (10/20/2011) [-]

So true....

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#86 - alleksi ONLINE (10/20/2011) [+] (17 replies)

I'm an atheist but I'm pretty sure that the christian god isn't supposed to be a "loving" character. more like a righteous god

also I hate hypocrites who say "STOP SHOVING YOUR BELIEFS DOWN OUR THROAT" even when they shove their atheistic beliefs to religious people, let them believe what they want (no matter how wrong you think they are)

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#120 to #86 - andrestheguat (10/20/2011) [-]

holy shit! finally a sensible thought, i thought those were practically extinct at this point

#87 to #86 - ZenMacros (10/20/2011) [-]

I guess that's why Christians always say "God loves you no matter what" and stuff like that.

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#90 to #86 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [-]

Wait, you think we should let them believe what they want no matter how wrong they are?

BRB, believing murdering cattle is good for my soul and that eating aborted babies is healthy.

No. Stupidity is stupidity, and it needs to be dealt with.

#140 to #90 - fignewtonz (10/20/2011) [-]

how does privately believing there is a God come even close to being comparable to murdering cattle and eating fetuses?

also, the overwhelming majority of the world believes there is a god. They don't feel the same about murdering cattle and eating fetuses. Not saying they're right, but isn't it at least a little self righteous of you to believe that everyone else is stupid and you aren't?

#145 to #140 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [-]

The point stands, it is not saying one belief is better, or even as good as, the other, it is simply pointing out that we shouldn't let people believe whatever they want to believe.

As for the overwhelming majority and me being self-righteous, I'm not. I'm simply assertive with my views. I can show why I think people are stupid, and those reasons stand against any argument I've encountered. So my point and view holds, because it is logical and reasoned.

#148 to #145 - fignewtonz (10/20/2011) [-]

Ok, but that is using a ridiculous extreme example that isn't really relevant. Someone believing in a god doesn't affect you whatsoever. You can't claim that no God exists from a position of authority. It is a matter of opinion, and your opinion is no better than anyone elses. Logical and reasoned arguments for god and creation exist, just as logical reasons for not believing it exist. Neither is compelling enough to be able to say that one is definitively wrong. If you want to see logical arguments for the existence of god and creation, go to http://carm.org/evidence-and-answers. You don't have to believe it, but you can stop acting like nobody intelligent believes in god.

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#188 to #148 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [-]

In what way is my example not relevant to the point I was making?

And what are you talking about, belief in God has had massive impact on everyday society that is both immoral and wrong. Oh and you seem to be assuming I'm calling people stupid. I'm not. I've already said I don't think everyone who believes in God is stupid, but the belief itself is. Sure, you come across smart people who are religious, and those people are less likely to have overly biggoted beliefs which effect people, so I'm more tolerent of them. Not any less tolerant of the stupid and discriminatory belief.

And if neither is compelling then one should assume the lack of; just as you do with the faeries at the bottom of the garden.

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#177 to #90 - alleksi ONLINE (10/20/2011) [-]

murdering (or sacrificing) a cattle is part of a culture, cultures differ from each other and I understand that some cultures might seem scary and stupid.

(but Lets be honest here... how many guys do you personally know, who believe in murdering cattles or eating aborted babies? I'm gonna take a guess and say... none. so I think it's safe to say that those who believe in such things, wont affect your life, at all )

I haven't heard of a religion where they eat aborted babies (im sure there is one, but I feel like I shouldn't google that because I'd be scarred for life:D). but is sounds like they would be a small small minority(aka group of mentally unstable individuals).

some one from a different culture might think that spending your days on a computer is fucking retarded(or maybe even disgusting).

Why should we force people to stop believing in something, that gives them mental strength?(I know there are religious people who believe that killing another group of people is a fantastic idea, but once again, those are mentally unstable people with no morals and bring shame to others of that religion, who don't think like that.)

stupidity is stupidity, and it needs to be dealt with? maybe some one should deal with you, because you certainly aren't being smart.

(ps I'm all for religious debates, I find them entertaining but people have to understand that there won't be "a final solution" where every one can think: "yeah that works, lets all believe in this now, shall we?")
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I just realized that I wrote a lengthy 'story'...to a fucking anon ...

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#1133 - N. Korean citizen (10/21/2011) [+] (1 reply)

"Don't shove your christian beliefs down our throats."

Shoves his atheist beliefs down all Christians throats.

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#1153 to #1133 - Unoriginal (10/21/2011) [-]

Take this, you'll need it later.

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#388 - N. Korean citizen (10/20/2011) [+] (1 reply)

Anyone else notice how Atheists say that Christians try to shove their religion down their throats, then the front page is filled with this "DERP GOD DOESN'T EXIST IM COOL" shit. And I've honestly never seen one comment of a Christian fighting back against it...

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#461 to #388 - Wikus (10/20/2011) [-]

Hes just a comedian man... Not meant to be taken seriously...

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#52 - jigglepuff (10/20/2011) [+] (2 replies)

So, why are there so many Religious posts today? And their all aimed towards Christianity? seriously, it gets annoying, belief's are beliefs, don't be assholes

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#276 to #52 - dizzz **User deleted account** (10/20/2011) [-]

This is a humor site. Not a "HeygusimawhinyRichard Simmonswhocantdealwithjokes" site.

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#17 - BuddyTorre **User deleted account** (10/20/2011) [+] (4 replies)

...He loves you, and he needs money!