breathes in cool. breathes out - #97290194 added by nortledrones at Beating the horse one last time

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Am I the only one that thinks that Edward Snowden is actually a good guy for what he did? The man gave up his life in Hawaii, his job that gave him around six-figures, his banging wife, just for him to expose the so-called "freedom" induced government that stand above us. The guy is now hiding an a Moscow airport and is probably going to end up living in some apartment in Caracas, the city with the highest crime-rate on Earth I believe, and for what? We all just go through our lives, day by day. "Living un-freely but comfortably is just human nature" - Ed Snowden.

#391 to #117 - tjocksnorris

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(07/13/2013) [-]

no that's what everyone thinks, goddamnit

#377 to #117 - lolollo

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Funny thing, perception. To the United States government right now, he committed "Espionage" and is no different from a common terrorist.

Now if a revolution does break out, maybe brought on by the government oversteping on surveillance, whatever new country that springs up in the wake of "Old America" will see Edward Snowden as a patriotic hero for exposing the tyranical old government for what it was, on par with any of the original founding fathers.

#368 to #117 - murrlogic

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I waiting for him to become the real life Jake Bauer

#363 to #117 - anon id: 12d86389

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If it is human nature to live unfreely but comfortably, why upset that by a) Trying to free us from our government's secure (though ultimately invasive) system and b) Making us uncomfortable by telling us what our government is really up to.

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This is just my opinion you are are free to disagree but this is what I have disseminated about the usa situation. These people are to good for "whistle blowers" to exist. This is a simple bloodletting to psychologically prime people to become comfortable with the idea that they are being observed. Snowden was likely setup but maybe the truth isn't stranger than fiction I guess that's the whole game

#304 to #117 - dapianoman

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Do you ever read the news? Like, at all? Why would you think you are the only one who thinks he did the right thing?

Am I the only one who thinks Hitler is a bad guy?

#337 to #304 - nortledrones

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Holy crap I get it, I'm not the only one. I meant more or less as in the people in my community since no one is really aware of the situation.

#342 to #337 - pioneermhm

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"no one is really aware of the situation.". Judging by how many posts there are in FunnyJunk alone about this situation I would say that you are wrong

#343 to #342 - nortledrones

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(sigh) As in my neighborhood bro. "My community" I'm very aware that I'm not the only one that feels this way, I would say that you should read more clearly before you say.

#345 to #343 - pioneermhm

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Welp, sorry for being an idiot

#296 to #117 - dmkstarstar

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I agree with you I said this on my facebook onetime:
"I don't think Edward Snowden deserves to be imprisoned or shot.
i actually agree with what Snowden did.
Even if it was Russia spying on people illegally
I'd say the same same thing...
Oh wait they do so they have nothing to talk about either."
Okay I know the Russia part was bit of a stretch.
However they had their share of this kind of stuff too.
Also if it was a Russian spy hiding in America.
Don't tell me they wouldn't hide them.

#284 to #117 - scorcho

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uhm.. no dude you are not the only one. pretty much everyone who is not a complete retard thinks that way.

#281 to #117 - anon id: b87303a2

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And this affects us how? Absolutely in no way. He gave up his life just for some fat kids can flail around thinking somebody's watching them fap to midget porn.

#248 to #117 - anon id: 69467ebd

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nah, you and millions of people think that he is a hero for sacrificing himself, and revealing the truth. this is the **** we have been laughing our asses of watching movies and tv-shows from USA, and at least the surveillance stuff ..its true..ermagherd.

they have no right to spy on all of us, "innocent until proven guilty" my ass, and microsoft with their "your privacy is our priority"
"microsoft makes list of 2012 most trusted companies for privacy"
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wow..cant wait until 2013 most trusted

#247 to #117 - bariummanisback

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I agree. He is a hero, just as much so as our founding fathers.

#195 to #117 - popkornking

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"Am I the only one??!!1 Guise Am I the only one!?!?2" Lets see, well judging by the 50+ posts bashing the NSA and talking about how amazing Snowden is in the last few weeks, I'm going to say you're nowhere near being close to the only one, srs brah.

#197 to #195 - nortledrones

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Cool.

#180 to #117 - teranin

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uh, no, you're obviously not the only one. But the major media networks are all in the pocket of the government, in one way or another, so they are all calling him a traitor and blah blah blah. It's completely ridiculous, a man telling us the honest truth about how every single american citizen who uses the internet is secretly having their 4th amendment rights violated by the very body whose job it is to protect those rights. The whole thing is absolutely ludicrous, this guy literally brought to light one of the biggest mass violations of human rights (as for total number of people effected, obviously not for severity on a case by case basis) and is (unsurprisingly) having his other human rights violated repeatedly by the very people who have been violating ALL of our rights, whilst they simultaneously goad the media into doing their best to paint this guy as the villain, and the government as the good guy.

It makes me honestly, literally, sick. The NSA has shamed themselves, and every US Citizen with their actions, and they should be the ones who are prosecuted.

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In the US government's eyes, there are no violations. They passed a lot of formal legislation to make these surveillance programs legal. The Bill of Rights is NOT unlimited in scope. If it was, it'd be impractical. And there are cases where free speech might cause others harm. They see it as a trade-off between certain liberties and national security.

Is it legal? Technically, yeah. The question now: Is it ethical? And the context seems to indicate a strong 'no'.

#288 to #229 - teranin

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Oh I never said it was illegal, I'm well aware that they made damn sure to put enough loopholes in place prior to their flagrant disregard for the constitution to keep them nice and safe from prosecution. I agree that the rights listed in the amendments to the constitution do have some wiggle room built in, so as not to cause anarchy, but that wiggle room does not allow for actions that are in direct contention of those rights unless a person is engaged in a criminal act.

The constitution is not our nation's laws (and I'm sure you know this, anon, but there might be some people that will find this educational) but are rather a set of guidelines that laws are supposed to follow in order for those laws to remain in effect. The vast majority of unconstitutional bills never make it past committee, but some do, and sometimes they even travel all through our legislative branch successfully, get signed into law by the executive branch, and then, some years down the line, the judicial branch of our government will strike down such laws for their breach of the constitution. The rights guaranteed by the constitution are all under the stipulation that in making use of those rights, you do not prevent another US citizen from retaining their own rights (covered in the 9th amendment). The federal government's power is limited to what powers it is granted in the constitution (10th amendment). So, for the federal government to not sidestep the 4th amendment when dealing with a criminal or non-citizen, but instead simply disregard it and do the exact thing it was intended to prevent, they not only breach the 4th amendment, they also breach the 9th and 10th amendments, and they aren't protected by the Necessary and Proper clause in article 1 of the constitution because their actions are expressly forbidden by the 4th amendment.

Don't know why I felt the need to go on that rant, I guess this whole deal just really pisses me off.

#329 to #288 - successfully

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TL;DR

Did you call?

#301 to #288 - anon id: eaaeb4e9

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I'm pretty sure you're more educated than I am on the subject to be honest. And as for your ranting, to know that the Bill of Rights is being wholly violated is a very good reason to be pissed off. Yet again, is this okay in light of national security?

This is a question that I'm not very sure about. By the way, there is an interesting monument in front of the national IRS headquarters. As far as I've read, it has nearly the entire Constitution written on it, besides the Bill of Rights. However, a nearby decorative pillar has the words, "The Bill of Rights was not ordained by Nature or God. It is very human, very fragile." There are of course several possible connotations. The fact that we must now question which, however, is a bit unsettling.

#148 to #117 - teevee

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and the US government is like "Hey, that spying you did to uncover our illegal spying is illegal!"

#138 to #117 - anon id: 6010746b

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If someone seeing my Internet history is considered unfree, then I don't mind it. It really doesn't inhibit me. I guess I'm just comfortably unfree. Better than bathing and moaning about it without doing anything.

He absolutely did the overall right thing revealing this information, but I don't agree that it really matters so much that he should be hunted down, or people should hate the government.

#133 to #117 - mrwalkerfour

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(breathes in calmly)

"am I the only one"

literally EVERYONE who posts about him is in support of him. how for even a SECOND could you think you were "the only one"

(breathes out calmly)

#160 to #133 - nortledrones

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*breathes in*

cool.

*breathes out*

#246 to #160 - semantic

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*blows out the nose*

#122 to #117 - anon id: 250710f8

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Snowden is a true american hero and deserves an award.
But in the US only fancy guys like Obama are given the Nobel Peace Price - for not being G.W.Bush, but acting as though he would be G.W.Bush.

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Nobel peace prize isn't an American award...

Hope you know that.

#120 to #117 - anon id: 81214518

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Do you really think you are the only one? Do you?