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#10 - anon (06/26/2013) [-]
maybe the lines would have been the other way round if spending was kept flat?
#146 to #10 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Problem: Your taxes on the drugs make them crazy expensive, people still buy from dealers because it's cheaper.
#263 to #10 - gasmastero (06/27/2013) [-]
one is a rate, the other is a sum. Even if the rate is constant, the growing population means that the total number of druggies will increase, meaning that the money spent on drug control is likely responding to the increased drug use in an expected manner.
User avatar #220 to #10 - makethingsworse (06/27/2013) [-]
Well...yeah...but 1.5 trillion is a little ******* much don't ya think? The income of all of the users on FJ, Reddit, 4Chan, and Tumblr combined still isn't nearly as much as 1.5 trillion. I am pretty confident in this assumption.
#57 to #10 - anon (06/26/2013) [-]
our incarceration rate is ridiculous, especially for pot (i don't smoke, but the fact we waste money putting potheads in jail is ridiculous). but i'd also note that people should take into account inflation with the graph, it is over 40 years after all. plus it has no source. i don't doubt it's close to accurate though, i've seen others like it. we should focus on rehabilitation but also crack down on drugs that actually ruin lives, like crack and heroin. rehabilitation is a hard sell because no democratically elected leader can afford to appear soft on crime.
#36 to #10 - anon (06/26/2013) [-]
All other countries that have made their drug policies more about rehabilitation/ decriminalization have no increase in drug use.
User avatar #22 to #10 - mortulance (06/26/2013) [-]
we will never know...

though I doubt it, the Dutch have been able to keep drugs legalized (the government actually makes money out of it) and we don't have the whole country smoking weed.
The stuff just ain't interesting if you could just buy it anytime.
User avatar #23 to #22 - mortulance (06/26/2013) [-]
though a sudden change of plans might be too drastic çause everyone would want to try it at once I guess
#102 to #23 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
actually the alchol prohabtion would be could indecater for it
#243 to #22 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
The only thing that's legalized here is the possession of a maximum amount of five grams cannabis for personal use.
Don't go think you can just go crazy with any drug you can think of.

- Some Dutch guy
#278 to #54 - stlassassinfhc (06/27/2013) [-]
Would probably not be any just like all cigs
User avatar #91 to #54 - dadukesta (06/27/2013) [-]
>leAgalized
User avatar #65 to #54 - skilletpanhead (06/26/2013) [-]
"Dude, this **** is dank. Buy some if you don't have any already. Yo, Jamal, where the Cheetos at?"
User avatar #63 to #54 - theugandanhero (06/26/2013) [-]
Why don't you ask the people from colorado?
User avatar #132 to #63 - Sunburn (06/27/2013) [-]
Weed being legalized has actually managed to piss me off because of the kids who drive around while using vaporizers, then walk into my gas station absolutely wreaking of pot.
User avatar #189 to #132 - xjvlezmerised ONLINE (06/27/2013) [-]
wait isn't it ilegal to smoke in public places ?
User avatar #244 to #189 - setittowumbo (06/27/2013) [-]
Vaporizing
User avatar #255 to #244 - xjvlezmerised ONLINE (06/27/2013) [-]
........i feel stupid
User avatar #115 to #54 - ompalomper (06/27/2013) [-]
they would probably look like the cigarette commercials
#131 to #115 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
I see what you did there
#38 - headkicker (06/26/2013) [-]
Step 1) Legalise all drugs (to varying degrees, i.e. no intoxication is permitted within the work place etc), letting the people decide whether or not they are dangerous, and using them as they choose.
Step 2) Heavily tax the sale of cannabis, cocaine etc., much as is done with tobacco and alcohol to gain a profit from said drugs.
Step 3) Divert a portion of the money that is regained from the defunct war on drugs and the subsequent narcotic taxation towards support programs to help with sobriety, so that those who change their minds about abusing substances have help in getting off the hook.
Step 4) Social Darwinism ensues: Those too weak willed or unwilling to leave hazardous substances alone for their own health will die off, leaving the strong willed and healthy members of society to remain.
Step 5) Reap the rewards of your economically booming master race.

Pic somewhat related.
#94 to #38 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Social darwinism doesn't work. Period.
#95 to #94 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
for evidence: the birth rate is considerably higher among the poor and uneducated
#197 to #38 - lamarisagoodname (06/27/2013) [-]
While I agree with you on many levels the only issue with said drugs is the fact that they are addictive (I suppose with the exception of marijuana) even if people would use drugs to alleviate stress etc people will still buy them by the bucketloads and end up broke, especially with the heavy taxes. Of course, making them illegal won't help because everyone and their dog knows how to make these drugs and I believe that education is the key to the drug issue.
User avatar #221 to #38 - lieutenantderp (06/27/2013) [-]
Relax, Hitler
#235 to #38 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Except those too weak willed to leave the heavier drugs alone won't die off, they'll destroy their bodies and suckle the government when they can't work.
User avatar #238 to #38 - spysappinmysasha (06/27/2013) [-]
I honestly am ashamed that its come to a point where people actually believe that we should learn things the hard way with Drugs.

Why allow all drugs to be legal? Why allow people to easily ruin their lives? Its bad enough that Cigarettes still exist. I mean, the Government knows they kill peple, but they still allow them to exist because of the money.

I say all the more power to our future robotic dictators who will put an end to human stupidity.
#69 to #38 - iamphoenix (06/26/2013) [-]
Heavily taxing them is going to leave the illegal drug trade very healthy and still very dangerous. And number three and number four contradict each other.
User avatar #225 to #69 - abstract (06/27/2013) [-]
Wouldn't it cost less for big business to start mass producing it, and then in turn would get money from the government (because we know the government loves big business)? You're point seems logical, but I don't think it would actually happen like that because we don't see that happen with tobacco or alcohol.
#230 to #225 - iamphoenix (06/27/2013) [-]
Alcohol and smokes aren't like heroin or meth, though. Hardcore drugs have a huge market right now, and if regulation and taxation are heavy enough people will get it illegally. There will never be complete decriminalization - and for good reason - so regulation will happen. And there is a lot of moonshine being produced in our country. Hell, there's a show about it.
#101 to #38 - crimsondynamo (06/27/2013) [-]
Wouldn't the taxing thing cause people to repeat creating the drugs without government consent and regulation? They mainly do it to make a large profit, and with heavy taxation, they wouldn't be making as much profit. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just pointing out possible holes.
#124 to #101 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Good point, but a government regulated sale of a drug, let's use weed for this example, would still be cheaper than on the street. On the street, it's about 20 dollars for approximately 1 gram of weed and 300 for an ounce from a regular dealer in my area. Now honestly, how much does it really cost to make that much weed, possible 40 bucks for an ounce with labor, nutrients, and location; also 40 bucks, in my opinion, is still a bit much to make an ounce of this stuff. The government regulated means more dealers on the market meaning more supply. More supply with same demand (law of demand/Microeconomics) means decrease in price. Dealers will deal with a much, much lower price, even with heavy taxation, most likely half the original price now. In my opinion, dealers might still sell, but they are risking too much to sell for smaller profit so they would leave the market for something else.
#129 to #124 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Well, currently, the prices at dispensaries in California are almost exactly the same as the street prices in my state for comparable quality product. The difference is that there is so much less risk on the buyers end getting it legally that dealers would be pointless. They only exist now out of necessity.
User avatar #90 to #38 - greenstrongworld (06/27/2013) [-]
So basically, the taxes harvested from drug sales is an investment in recovery if you want to get out of it?
#150 to #98 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Sauce?
#119 to #38 - pedrophile (06/27/2013) [-]
Step 6: Become the Netherlands
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User avatar #43 to #38 - ctenop (06/26/2013) [-]
I still think hardcore drugs should be illegal, or say only available at certain places, so if **** goes belly up you can get help, and it'll be safe. Also teach drug awareness like they do about alcohol. Mexico (or somewhere) allows all drugs, but in a personal limit (i.e. 1g cocaine, 1/8 of weed, not exact numbers, sorry)
#58 to #43 - osboom (06/26/2013) [-]
not soGlorious Portugal
And I like the ideas of both of you.
User avatar #61 to #58 - ctenop (06/26/2013) [-]
Also lower the age on alcohol and smoking to 16. No more hiding it, getting arrested. If you don't have to hide and hence binge, it's better. Remember being a child and not being allowed sweets one time? And I used to buy a big bar, eat it all in one go. Now I live alone and allowed it whenever, I hardly ever eat it. Same with my xbox, I used to be "limited" to 3 hours, I thought that was unfair, no I game less than that a week sometimes. I drink, and smoke cigars, again living alone I can have both in moderation, I've had beer and vodka and sherry for ages, not touched em, but other people get smashed as often as their parents are out/away...
User avatar #62 to #61 - ctenop (06/26/2013) [-]
And the age of consent, holland has the lowest in europe, and the lowest teen pregnancy rate. If you can be open, honest, taught about it etc, it's better. I still stand by the philosophy that education and freedom (to an extent) will eliminate most problems in childhood and the world, give a child the freedom to stay up till whenever, but make sure they go school, and they'll learn a time suitable for their body.
User avatar #280 to #43 - thediablo (06/27/2013) [-]
I'm from Mexico, and, despite the amount of drug cartels, all kinds of drugs are banned here, except of course, cigars and beer
User avatar #283 to #280 - ctenop (06/27/2013) [-]
Was another country then, sorry buddy. And hey, cigars are awesome
#33 - debee (06/26/2013) [-]
Here guys this is a totally legit graph trust me I made it myself
#143 to #33 - pwnmissilereborn **User deleted account** (06/27/2013) [-]
Why 17?!
Why 17?!
User avatar #149 to #143 - twillight (06/27/2013) [-]
Why not?
#152 to #149 - pwnmissilereborn **User deleted account** (06/27/2013) [-]
I cannot argue with that.
#201 to #33 - likeabox (06/27/2013) [-]
Label your ******* x and y axis.

Just kidding I'm not an math Nazi. I am however; a math-debater.I
#265 to #201 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
enlarge it
#222 to #33 - mugiwaraluffy (06/27/2013) [-]
Just try and stop me!
Just try and stop me!
#268 to #33 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Comes from here:
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User avatar #32 - sloar ONLINE (06/26/2013) [-]
I like how there are absolutely no souces provided.

No one would lie on the internet, so I guess it's fine.
#223 to #32 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
Pretty rare to see someone here actually support their aguments or statements with sources; whenever I see such a thing, though, I applaud.
#259 to #32 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
The requested Fiscal Year (FY) 2013 National Drug Control Budget demonstrates commitment to these goals, requesting $25.6 billion to reduce drug use and its consequences in the United States. This represents an increase of $415.3 million (1.6%) over the FY 2012 enacted level of $25.2 billion.

that was taken from the white house website itself
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#260 to #259 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
[url deleted] . whitehouse . gov/ondcp/the-national-drug-control-budget-fy-2013-funding-highlights
#39 to #32 - misfitsftw (06/26/2013) [-]
take this
#24 - theponified (06/26/2013) [-]
wouldn't it be far more productive to decriminalize all drugs and put that 1.5 trillion to harm reduction and education instead of incarcerating millions of Americans for non violent drug offences?
User avatar #140 to #24 - rhiaanor ONLINE (06/27/2013) [-]
The point is that we don't want humans to destroy themselves.. but putting them in jail for 20 years is kind of doing it anyways.
#240 to #24 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
NO
#241 to #24 - saladtongsofdeath (06/27/2013) [-]
isnt that what iceland did??
User avatar #27 to #24 - cudlefish (06/26/2013) [-]
And legalize Marjuana for recreational use DDD It would stimulate the economy
User avatar #198 to #24 - xgarthx (06/27/2013) [-]
Well that would be just stupid. Lets just use Crack for an example, millionaires have spent their entire fortunes on that and become broke, and since they're broke and can't afford their drug addiction they usually tend to steal because jobs won't hire them because of drugs ability to effect human behavior. So now because drugs are legalized we have a huge amount of theft and other various forms of crime that comes with it. Besides, drugs aren't good. Many people cannot handle drugs and end up committing crimes or hurting themselves, not to mention the long term effects. Your argument is that of a child if you really took about a minute or two to think about it.
User avatar #114 to #24 - ompalomper (06/27/2013) [-]
yes, that would be the sensible, humane and wise choice t make

shame we are talking about 'Murrica ( **** yeah) who can't make sensible, humane or wise decisions
#51 to #24 - gotrekgurnisson (06/26/2013) [-]
They're trying to build a prison.....
#30 to #24 - Millybays (06/26/2013) [-]
Depends on what you consider productive, the current US prison system literally rakes in billions, so its economically productive for those who invest in that business.
If you consider improving the publics well being productive then yes, you're completely right.
User avatar #100 to #24 - newforomador (06/27/2013) [-]
Maybe some drugs but not all. Lower class drugs like marijuana and (possibly) some psychedelics that aren't addictive could be legalized, but some things like meth or heroin should stay illegal because of how they endanger the general populace.
User avatar #26 to #24 - themastermorris ONLINE (06/26/2013) [-]
Whoa there buddy, logic like that may make our government productive. Can't have that now
#200 to #26 - likeabox (06/27/2013) [-]
Thank you, I'm going to use that one day.
User avatar #206 to #200 - themastermorris ONLINE (06/27/2013) [-]
Glad to be of service!
#8 - captainganto (06/26/2013) [-]
bring forth the source
#154 - grimmwaters ONLINE (06/27/2013) [-]
#139 - sedativechunk (06/27/2013) [-]
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#142 to #139 - tikledpikle (06/27/2013) [-]
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#165 to #139 - notified (06/27/2013) [-]
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User avatar #266 - cobaltlumi (06/27/2013) [-]
Drug addiction =/= drug use.
User avatar #64 - rodiganschmidt (06/26/2013) [-]
I really hope that's innacurate
#217 - outlawgentleman (06/27/2013) [-]
Something that this graph doesn't show is the increase in population. While the percentage stays roughly the same, the number of people within that percentage is increasing.   
Another thing this graph doesn't show is due to the increased population, there is a increased demand. The manufacture and shipping of drugs as exponentially grown to feed this ever riding demand. Therefor more money is needed to spent to battle this.    
As a recovering drug addict myself, I can say from experience that drugs are becoming steadily more available, not just for adults but to children in schools as well.   
So what if money is spent on drug enforcement, I myself don't like seeing a percentage of any population addicted to drugs. I am glad something is being done about it.
Something that this graph doesn't show is the increase in population. While the percentage stays roughly the same, the number of people within that percentage is increasing.
Another thing this graph doesn't show is due to the increased population, there is a increased demand. The manufacture and shipping of drugs as exponentially grown to feed this ever riding demand. Therefor more money is needed to spent to battle this.
As a recovering drug addict myself, I can say from experience that drugs are becoming steadily more available, not just for adults but to children in schools as well.
So what if money is spent on drug enforcement, I myself don't like seeing a percentage of any population addicted to drugs. I am glad something is being done about it.
User avatar #227 to #217 - sstony (06/27/2013) [-]
I say if you want to do drugs, why should the government be involved in that? If you are only hurting yourself, what does it really mater? I understand if you go out and eat somebody's face while on bath salts, but a guy just doing heroine in his room is no big deal to me. Alcohol is just as harmful and there is very little spent in controlling alcohol as compared to drugs.
#245 to #227 - Tharius (06/27/2013) [-]
I completely agree with. I feel the same way about getting a ticket for not wearing a seat belt. You are only (possibly) endangering yourself so who else should give a **** .
#252 to #245 - makegr (06/27/2013) [-]
That law just came to Spain. If you don't wear seatbelt you get a ticket (If I remember well 200€)   
   
The only thing's the police don't want to wear seatbelt here neither, so they don't usually fine you. ^^
That law just came to Spain. If you don't wear seatbelt you get a ticket (If I remember well 200€)

The only thing's the police don't want to wear seatbelt here neither, so they don't usually fine you. ^^
User avatar #246 to #245 - Tharius (06/27/2013) [-]
I completely agree with *you*.
#174 - DrOhcysp (06/27/2013) [-]
far out dude
far out dude
#178 - chinesehandcuffs (06/27/2013) [-]
The increased spending on drug control is why drug addiction rate has remained a little over 1% throughout the years. The chart is completely accurate.
User avatar #205 to #178 - tehpwnz (06/27/2013) [-]
see comment #199
User avatar #207 to #178 - tehpwnz (06/27/2013) [-]
also, why the **** would more spending be the cause of things being the same, when there was never any trend of increase
#196 to #178 - kenleyP (06/27/2013) [-]
This **** makes sense
#236 to #178 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
except somewhere around 2/3 of the money spent on drug control is spent on the least addictive drug around.....
It's weed if you didn't know. Say what you want, it's not addictive. I've been addicted to cigarettes, and it's hard as **** to quit. With weed, you literally feel no need to smoke it.
#251 to #236 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
cigarettes arent addictive, ive smoked them and stopped of my own accord, anybody who smokes cigarettes uses them as a pathetic excuse for people to feel bad for them when they have a hole in their neck because you all subconsciously want to die before everybody else because you cant end your own useless existence on your own, its easy, put a tube from your car exhaust into the window and turn the car on, thank me when i see you in hell ********
#2 - trollzorr (06/26/2013) [-]
MFW Government spendings
MFW Government spendings
#199 - repostsrepost (06/27/2013) [-]
So, the y-axis on the graph reaches 20 billion at it's height. The x-axis spans 40 years. If we assume that the total drug control spending was $20 B per year for 40 years, 20B*40B=$800B, which would be the maximum total amount possible given the parameters of the data, which is about half of the stated 1.5 trillion.

This kids, is why it is important to pay attention in math class.
#229 to #199 - anon (06/27/2013) [-]
It's inflation adjusted. Inflation was through the roof in the 70's and early 80's.

This my friend, is why it's important to also pay attention in history and economics.

not that i believe the chart is accurate, just defending the math
#214 - thehint (06/27/2013) [-]
The creator of this graph can make you feel the government is doing a bad job on drug control.

but.......the graph is manipulating the facts.

The population of the united state has grown tremendously in the last fourty years. Although the percentage of people experiencing addiction stays at a near constant betweeen1% and 2% the actual amount of drug addicts people has increased dramatically in the last fourty years simply because there is a larger base population.

Not only that but appears as though this graph doesn't even account of the inflation of the us dollar. If you didn't know, 1970's you would needed considerably fewer dollars to make purchases because the money was more valuable. This would make the large increase of the droller amount forty years in the future look absurd by comparison. Just as when your great grand children use a thousand dollars to buy a loaf of bread, it will seem absurd to you.

Not only that, but the ability to test for the presence of drugs has increased in complexity so of course, the testing is going to be more expensive. There is also a greater variety of drugs available now, so that would make a wider variety of test necessary and would definitely boost the costs.

In conclusion, **** this graph. If your going to criticize government spending (And I totally fine with that) at the very least don't knowing deceive people with half truths.
#173 - yuukoku (06/27/2013) [-]
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I'm for legalizing weed. I'm not one of those "420 MARILYZE LEGALWANA HUR HUR!" guys. I don't even smoke weed because I think it's just stupid. I honestly believe, however, that the revenue made from taxation could help the government and would decrease the amount of violence around the boarder (or make more violence because the drug lords would get pissed. Either way, more money from taxes).
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