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#266 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
**** star wars ******* useless piece of ****
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#300 to #266 - bemmo (02/24/2013) [-]
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User avatar #255 - smokingman (02/20/2013) [-]
Have you ever seen a sword match between experts?
Few movements, short swings, no openings.
You wait for your opponent to open up, then hit.
Makes sense for them to be more expert and more able to spot guard openings as years pass?
I have no idea...

User avatar #280 to #255 - drunkjedifromanime (02/20/2013) [-]
yeah now that you mention it you're right the prequel fight are nice and flashy but old one are more realistic
#264 to #255 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah. Episode 4 had the best, imo, choreography as it took from kendo. Kendo is all about waiting for the perfect hit, because one rash or unthinking move will surrender the center line and you lose.
#250 - beergaroo (02/20/2013) [-]
reminded me of this
reminded me of this
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#217 - thedutchs (02/20/2013) [-]
You can't really blame them. Both of them are like above the 60.

It's Luke who should be ashamed...
User avatar #225 to #217 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Actually Vader died at ~44...
User avatar #247 to #225 - fishtacos (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but Vader is 3/4 robot and covered in old 3rd degree burns. That's gotta effect your light saber skills at least a little.
User avatar #262 to #247 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Oh, you have no idea.

It is stated somewhere that his armored shoulder pads actually prevented him from raising his hands above his head, before they were modified...
#214 - puregarbage (02/20/2013) [-]
I loved Episode 3 the most out of the entire 6..... watched it several times.. Idk why. The whole Anakin journeying into the Sith thing kind of made it better IMO
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User avatar #241 to #214 - hardongo (02/20/2013) [-]
i liked that movie too but the guy that played anakin kind of sucked balls... i will always wonder if starkiller the actor from the game star wars the force unleashed were to play anakin .. he is like the dark side hitman and a true badass jedi at least in the first game
User avatar #224 to #214 - dengekisushi (02/20/2013) [-]
Episode 1 is my favorite because Liam Neeson.
#203 - winalot (02/20/2013) [-]
I like the prequels obi wan is my favourite charater and without them he wouldn't have been
User avatar #213 to #203 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, that's because Ewan McGregor did a ******* good job as Obi-Wan, so it's no wonder you'd like the character. And I agree, the prequels aren't seriously that bad, in fact, I think they're quite entertaining.
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User avatar #258 to #213 - reddeadtroll (02/20/2013) [-]
They weren't too bad, although I really didn't like Episode I. Only cool part about it was Darth Maul's doubled-bladed badassery.
User avatar #226 to #213 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Except the Episode II dialogues. At those you just cringe.
User avatar #245 to #226 - azraelthemage ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
Episode II wasn't that bad......it was just so goddamn slow.
#199 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
Why are you arguing, people born after 1994ish like the prequels better, because they did not grow up with VHS and ep 4-5-6. I enjoy ALL the movies, even if they have more effects and stuff in the prequels. Stop bitching about it just because you are "so old and grew up in those days, we dont know what we missed" Stfu, it did not ruin it at all. And i grew up with a VHS and the "Star Wars triology WIDESCREEN. Best memories of my childhood
User avatar #215 to #199 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Son, I was born in 1994, we had episodes 4, 5 and 6 recorded on VHS and I grew up with those. :| And yet I still think episodes 1, 2 and 3 are seriously not bad prequels.
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#208 to #199 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
i have to arrest you ITS 95' i grew up with VHS i watched all that **** on VHS **** VHS


that is all, have a nice day
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User avatar #231 to #198 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
They're not "dumb excuses", you **** !

The original movies ARE superior because they hab better writing, better directing (IRVIN KESHNER FTW) and, first of all, BETTER ************* ACTING!

Not to mention some effort and imagination were put in the original sets, not "oh, you know, act in front of that green screen, we'll make something up"

YES, I prefer real-life models and stop-caption to CGI.
User avatar #269 to #231 - zombielovez (02/20/2013) [-]
better acting... wat?
User avatar #277 to #269 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Yes, because Hayden Christensen is as good as Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill...
User avatar #278 to #277 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Yeeeeeah, forget everything about Ewan McGregor, Samuel L. Jackson, Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, or other fine actors that did a good job portraying their characters in the prequel episodes. Christensen was mediocre, I can admit that, but he wasn't so bad in Revenge of the Sith.
User avatar #281 to #278 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
The prequels are only watchable thanks to Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid. Plus Liam Neeson in Episode I
Otherwise Samuel L Jackson is, well, Samuel L Jackson and Natalie Portman... well, let's just say that Padme Amidala could have been played by literally any actress.
#252 to #231 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
then go see a play if you want a movie that looks really fake.
User avatar #254 to #252 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
What's faker, a model of an X-Wing or its computer generated image?
#260 to #254 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
theyre both fake but the CGI at least looks real.
User avatar #292 to #260 - coolalliki (02/20/2013) [-]
The CGI looks awful in these movies. The only good CGI in it is Grievous, Kamino and Mustafar. All the rest looks so fake (Coruscant in backgrounds is terrible)
User avatar #282 to #260 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
How the **** does that even compute?!

You're telling me that a CGI looks more real than an actual model of a ship?! Are you high or something?
#288 to #282 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
cgi makes it look like a ship is flying through space. a model looks like a a fake spaceship flying through space. im not sure what your point is
User avatar #289 to #288 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
It's not a "fake spaceship" because the actual body of the ship is physically present! Unlike the virtual one!

Go watch the Battle of Yavin, or the asteroids scene from Episode V and then tell me that you don't get a better and more real feeling of the ships' movement in space than the shiny, flashy stuff in Ep. 2 or Ep. 3
#290 to #289 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
just watched the attack on the death star and the opening of ep 3. cgi not only looks more realistic, but it allows for better stunts and better camera angles. and also bigger battles.
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User avatar #248 to #244 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
If being a child means actually having some expectations and standards for a movie...
#249 to #248 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
It doesn't.

And no, you don"t get points for trying to be clever.
User avatar #257 to #249 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
OK, sure, fine

So I take it only 12 year old edgy ******* can hate the prequels for their low quality writing, acting and directing, the rest should just fanboy love them.

Get lost, runt.
User avatar #297 to #257 - DukeOfLuke (02/21/2013) [-]
why the **** are you so heated up? You seriously feel the need to change someone elses opinion just because they disagree with you about some movies?

No one will ever fully agree with you in life, get the **** over it.

and by the way, the prequels are ******* awesome, bitch.
User avatar #202 to #198 - coolalliki (02/20/2013) [-]
None of those cheesy lines in the original series detracted from the movie, though. When watching the prequels (especially Phantom Menace) I often find myself rolling my eyes or just saying:"That doesn't seem like anything someone would say" (Anakin and Padmé talking on that balcony on Coruscant in Revenge of the Sith).

That's not saying I think they're terrible. Revenge of the Sith is alright, and if Boba Fett would've been as badass as Jango Fett was in Attack of the Clones, he'd be perfect. They're still vastly inferior, and that's just a fact of life.
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User avatar #212 to #210 - coolalliki (02/20/2013) [-]
Did you feel any emotion during the fight between Obi-Wan and Grievous? Between Dooku and Yoda?

Now, between Luke and Vader? When the Rebel Alliance was attacking the Death Star? Those moments meant something, and no green screen effect can do that on its own.
User avatar #219 to #212 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Dude, I felt extreme awesomeness when I saw Obi-Wan finally got the chance to show that ************ who's the boss. Yoda vs Dooku was brief, but that was a fight which gave us the first glimpse of Yoda's former glory, and how ******* good he actually was as a Jedi. Sure, you get to see him using the Force on episode VI, but it was fairly obvious for someone to be so good using the Force, it also meant they gotta be fairly good at kicking ass, and you got to see that in episode II, although the match wasn't concluded. Now, I admit, the fights in episodes 4, 5 and 6 are more emotional, because that's what they were meant to be. The only true emotional fight in the prequels was Anakin vs Obi-Wan, aaaand maybe Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul 'cause the former got ****** over, which I personally didn't like at all. Qui-Gon rocked. Anyways, as I was saying, the fights in the originals were meant to be emotional. That's the whole point in the movies. They're more focused on the story, character development, and emotions. Sure, the prequels has SOME of that, but the prequels were aimed for the general audience, packed with more action scenes and such. Basically, the prequels are there for the action. You want some ******** jedi ass-kicking, you watch the prequels. The originals are there for the story. You want a more story/character/etc-focused movies, you watch those. They're not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. But it's annoying how people ALWAYS GO " **** THE PREQUELS, THE ORIGINALS ARE SO MUCH GREATER HURR DURR". So I got a suggestion. Try, and I say just try, and think of the prequels without comparing them to the originals. Now I understand it's pretty basic to compare something new to something old of the franchise, but seriously. People don't see those movies as entertaining as they possibly could be because they're so stuck on the originals. That's all I got to say, and sorry for the long comment, but if you read it all the way here, then I guess congrats. Or something.
User avatar #222 to #219 - coolalliki (02/20/2013) [-]



I find myself disagreeing with some points, but watch these reviews (you might've seen them already). It brings up some good points and some food for thought.
User avatar #298 to #222 - DukeOfLuke (02/21/2013) [-]
dude dont read critics. you are not even making your own opinion, you are taking a side.
User avatar #299 to #298 - coolalliki (02/21/2013) [-]
"I find myself disagreeing with some points..."

Come again?
User avatar #301 to #299 - DukeOfLuke (03/08/2013) [-]
the point i am making is not that you are totally just parroting the critics, but allowing their cynicism to affect how you experience a movie.
#265 to #222 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
I've seen those awhile ago. I do really like the prequels (though they ain't got **** on the Original Trilogy) but I never noticed the problems this guy brought up. If you can just suspend disbelief it's fine, for the most part.
User avatar #223 to #222 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
Well, these seem like long videos, and I got a game to play, so I'll favorite your comment and check those out later.
User avatar #220 to #219 - fizzor (02/20/2013) [-]
SORRY, major **** up, Yoda used the force on episode V, don't know how I got myself to type "VI".
#188 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
well that's all nice and dandy.   
but then you see this 						************					!
well that's all nice and dandy.

but then you see this ************ !
User avatar #190 to #188 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
General Grievous was one of the MAJOR fails in Episode III.
Besides the fact that they dumbed him down severely compared to Clone Wars - TAS (where he stroke from the shadows, ambushing and being devious as **** ), they placed him out in the ******* open in front of Jedis too many times!
I mean, how hard was it for anybody to just Force slam him to the ceiling to the floor and back again several times (like Obi-Wan did... eventually)?!?
User avatar #195 to #190 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
i know but i whas only talking about the lightsaber movement and the fact he has 4 of them
User avatar #230 to #195 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Yes, and what does he do with those 4 arms (remind that he was a specialized Jedi-killing cyborg)?
Starts spinning them like a buzzsaw, oooh, so threatening... only to lose 2 of them within seconds of each other.

That's another reason why Ep. III Grievous is just a huge fail.
#256 to #230 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
ok we'll give you 4 lightsabers and see how long you last against obi-wan ya **** bucket
User avatar #261 to #256 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Well if I were previously portrayed as single-handedly taking out ~7 Jedi (and be able to fight with at least 3 of them in the same times and actually win)...
#263 to #261 - ogloko (02/20/2013) [-]
7 jedi that were not obi-wan. not all jedi are created equal
User avatar #253 to #230 - atheistzilla (02/20/2013) [-]
do you really not get why i posted this?
#181 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
FACT: The duels from Ep. V and Ep. VI are way better than the ones in the prequels (bar the Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, whic was very well coreographed and didn't have any clumsy errors)
WHY? Because they weren't as flashy, first of all; the blows actually seemed to have weight and force to them.
Second: If you pay a little attention, you can actually notice that each sword hit had a purpose, unlike the duels in the prequels were apparently the main goal was just to clash the lightsabers for cool sounds.
Third: MUCH more emotion in the original trilogy duels, the "I sense much fear in you, Skywalker! You have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them", as much as I respect Cristopher Lee, was just a wet fart compared to Vader's taunts.
ALSO, according to the Star Wars universe, both Anakin and Luke used Djem So, a rather aggressive style with powerful blows that suited their personality (that you can actually see on-screen). Even though Vader used a personalized version of Djem So, with even more powerful blows, but with much less mobility, due to his suit restraints.

Also, a bit of Star Wars trivia: In Episode IV, David Prowse actually did the fighting in Vader's suit (in Ep. V and Ep. VI the late Bob Anderson wore the Vader suit during the duels), which explains why Vader's fighting style seemed so distinct (notice the Kendo-like moves, especially the leg work, the same foot always in the rear position). Also, David Prowse couldn't manage to control his bodybuilder strength, so he broke many of the saber-props during Ep. IV
#234 to #181 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
The virginity is strong in this one.
User avatar #238 to #234 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
It would be rather sad if I actually were almost 24 with no sexual activity...
#206 to #181 - kuchikirukia (02/20/2013) [-]
The Darth Maul battle was overly choreographed to the point where you could tell they were just going through their set routines, so even that lacked any real tension. It didn't feel like a real batttle.

Watch this and compare:
This was done in a free 5MB program and it absolutely destroys anything found in the prequels.
User avatar #211 to #206 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]
Well, it HAD to be tightly coreographed, it was the first time one of the fighters had a double-lightsaber (or saberstaff). Like I said, one of the reasons I respect that fight (besides Duel of the Fates fitting it nicely) is that you can also watch each and every move where it is supposed to strike and how neatly and fluidly is deflected.

It IS a bit mindnumbing realizing that they managed to actually make Maul be on both defense and offense in the same time, thanks to that particular style. All hail Ray Park!
User avatar #216 to #211 - kuchikirukia (02/20/2013) [-]
The fluidity is what makes it so bad. It is immediately obvious that there is no effort involved. They're not fighting, they're meeting at pre-planned points in the air and nothing else.
There's two Jedi. How about one of them pin one half of his staff down and the other hit his undefended side? There's nothing like that -- they just trade off again and again. "Oh, you want to swing at Obi-wan? It looks like my saber's tangling you up over here -- let me move that for you!"

User avatar #221 to #216 - tkfourtwoone (02/20/2013) [-]

Maul was most certainly the most agile and vigorous of the 2 (clearly better trained in swordsmanship than Obi-Wan); pinning a saber down would have been predictable, easy to avoid by sidestepping or backstepping... and it could have been fatal to the one trying it, losing too much momentum on this action.
His only mistakes were when he allowed either of them to get in really close-quarters, where his staff length was hindering, mainly when he got bitchslapped by Qui-Gon and when he got his staff cut in half by a furios Obi-Wan.

TL;DR Maul had to be fluid precisely to be able to avoid being pinned down; his fighting style requires him to be very active and unpredictable, keeping a foe off-guard. Not to mention he was specifically trained as a Jedi killer.
#186 to #181 - dalegendaryjake (02/20/2013) [-]
Here sir, take this token of my gratitude.
Here sir, take this token of my gratitude.
User avatar #197 to #186 - rawesome (02/20/2013) [-]
Why was I expecting Mark to use the force instead of reaching all the way down?
#180 - doyoulikeapizza (02/20/2013) [-]
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User avatar #162 - Kellanved (02/20/2013) [-]
The saber fights felt way more authentic back then. Those other ones quickly became just a medium to show off more computer generated backgrounds.
User avatar #167 to #162 - anonymoose (02/20/2013) [-]
They're highly trained elite warriors with the greatest possible reflexes and extrasensory perception. The fights in I II and III were more realistic given their skill.
#268 to #167 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
Um, no. The lightsaber is a weapon able to kill in a single hit. It was directly related to the katana, down to even the length. The prequels have people swinging these ******* behind their back, leaving huge gaps that weren't exploited because plot. In IV their style was VERY similar to kendo, the style used with katanas. Kendo is all about a series of small fights using the tips of the swords to hold the center line. If you have the center line, you can easily kill someone. They show true mastery. As the series evolved, the fights got more outrageous and flashy to keep people's attention.
User avatar #161 - drosenblum (02/20/2013) [-]
Best to worst.
Episode V
Episode IV
Episode VI
Episode III
Episode I
Episode II

Still, while the prequels are not really "good" movies, I still enjoy them. They are in no way better than the originals, but they are entertaining, and come on, they're Star Wars. You can't not like Star Wars.
#270 to #161 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
Holy **** ... Someone I completely agree with!
User avatar #192 to #161 - darkangeloffire ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
I enjoyed every single movie. I only learned of the hate for the Prequel Trilogy a year or so ago, and it confused me. Are they better than the originals, good god no. But I thought all of them were pretty damn awesome, though Episode 2 is the weakest of the 3, but it's still pretty good.
User avatar #191 to #161 - Gandalfthewhite (02/20/2013) [-]
episode VI
episode V
episode III
episode IV
episode II
episode I
User avatar #189 to #161 - DropDeadShred (02/20/2013) [-]
Dude, what? Episode II was a great film, the only good thing about episode I was the fights with Darth Maul, other then that it was just garbage.
#271 to #189 - meowthenin (02/20/2013) [-]
Episode I was good because it showed a lot of what the EU was about - politics. It also showed that Jedi weren't just warriors.

Episode II hamfisted in ridiculous action scenes, forced a Boba cameo, that whole factory part, and it destroyed two major parts of canon (Old Republic and Boba's origin) because Lucas is a **** wit.
#182 to #161 - tomanydiscos (02/20/2013) [-]
Revenge of the Sith deserves to be taken seriously, Clone wars felt a bit like an experiment. But i would rather watch a scratched DVD of a crying toddler strangling a parrot than have to watch Phantom...
User avatar #150 - cyanidesandvich (02/20/2013) [-]
the original jedi fight worked well i'd say.
it wasn't a flashy fight of anger.
it was one where an old mentor knew he couldn't win so he took it as slow as possible to try to win with the mind.
#153 to #150 - sathrax (02/20/2013) [-]
You sir blew my mind.
User avatar #154 to #153 - cyanidesandvich (02/20/2013) [-]
obviously obi-wan worked slow enough on you.
#149 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
So many ******* retards down there who like the prequel trilogy. ******* kill me. I don't wanna live on this planet anymore
#171 to #149 - anonymoose (02/20/2013) [-]
User avatar #142 - rdangerdash (02/20/2013) [-]
I like the prequels. They aren't good movies, they are poorly written and have a lot of flaws in them but they are starwars and I like starwars and I like them.
#148 to #142 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
First, nobody gives a **** what you like. Second, prequel trilogy is not considered Star Wars by many ******** fans. I for one don't even consider them canon. Sorry for red thumb
User avatar #164 to #148 - nang ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
So er.....What exactly makes ' ********* fans opinion worth more than anybody elses?

Also, you're a bit of a dick :)
User avatar #172 to #164 - noseses (02/20/2013) [-]
probably a bunch of circlejerks on 4chan. if this kid isn't 12, then hes a 40 year old basement dwelling neckbeard. either way, best to just let him throw his little tantrum
User avatar #173 to #172 - nang ONLINE (02/20/2013) [-]
Agreed. Now back to pokemon while I'm supposed to be working.
#137 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
one of the reasons I like the prequels much better
#134 - anonymous (02/20/2013) [-]
...well I think Vader learned his lesson take it easy, don't underestimate your opponent or overestimate your own ability . Having stumps is probably a ******* reminder of that I suppose.
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