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#20 - mrsaytan

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Being equal doesn't mean you can't be different. Being equal means you won't be treated better or worse just for being different.
Being equal doesn't mean you are as good as anyone in any skill. Being equal means that those who have the skill should be able to get the job, in spite of his/her sexual orientation, skin colour, ethnicity etc.
Being equal is the freedom to be whatever you want/can, not being something because someone else wants to be something they want.

We can never be truly equal, nor can society be ever perfect, but we can always try to make this world a better place for the outcasts and oppressed.

#357 to #20 - mrsaytan

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JAYSUS! I didn't believe my comment was gonna get that much publicity.

As for the people who say that some votes should have a greater impact in democratic elections than others, I ask you this: How are you going to decide whose vote should be stronger? Give the power to the people who have greater education? The people with higher IQ? The people with high status?
No one can tell by looking at any traits in any human what consequences their decisions may have. High IQ doesn't mean you know how to act in making a real life decision. When voting, we can only hope that the result of making our choice will be for the greater good.
True, there are "dumb" people choosing from options they can hardly understand, but where are you going to draw the line?
NO! YOU can't draw a line!

Why should YOUR voice be better?!! Is it because YOU think you're right?!

#318 to #20 - mrvoodoo

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Isn't that equity?

#310 to #20 - fragman [OP]

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I'm glad that this content provided an opportunity for a top comment

#304 to #20 - therealtjthemedic

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Equality is stupid.
Some people are better at a job, they should get it.
It's ridiculous to give the same odds of hiring a sociopathic, necrophiliac, rapist as a paramedic as a fit, healthy doctor with qualifications.
Some people are lower, some people are higher. Deal with it.

#358 to #304 - mrsaytan

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No, you shouldn't give the job to a person who clearly has mental problems and may prove to be a safety risk for the work place. Being a necrophiliac is as much a mental problem as being a homosexual is. You don't see homosexual banging every man (or a woman if you're a lesbian) they see on the streets, so why would a mentally healthy necrophiliac do it to every corpse they see?
Rapists, on the other hand, can't control their desires and danger for a work place with potential victims.

On the top of all, I never said that everybody should get the job. As a matter of fact I said the exact opposite. Those who have the needed skills and traits should get the job, in spite of the traits they have that have nothing to do with the job, like skin colour, ethnicity etc.

#319 to #304 - dancokacole

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I'll have you know I am a necrophiliac and I worked at a morgue and I never once ****** the dead bodies. Just romantic rather one-sided conversation.

#292 to #20 - kampi

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Perfect.
Simply perfect.

#291 to #20 - anon id: d632b391

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Shutup Satan.

#284 to #20 - nigeltheoutlaw

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For a guy named "mrsaytan" you're alright by me.

#265 to #20 - anon id: 97e72a94

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But we should have a ranking or something like that, to rate every person.
And for example <10 not even to ride a Bike should be allowed etc...

But for this we need a fair Test to get the Points you deserve!
******* humanity is so ******* stupid (a very big part)

#359 to #265 - mrsaytan

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Yeah, intelligence and capabilities vary in different people, putting people in slots is the exact opposite of making the world an equal place. As people change all the time, those points are bound to change with them, thus we cannot just categorize people based on what we have tested in the past events.

#257 to #20 - anon id: a68bbabd

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"Now would you kindly thumb that comment, boyo?"

#251 to #20 - joilol

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+1 and i dont get why people thumbed that content really

#208 to #20 - ilikeducks

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well done good sir

#163 to #20 - EdwardNigma

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I like the cut of your jib, Mrsaytan.

#159 to #20 - anon id: 89369a24

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nature has ordained that no man has been created equal. ask Darwin what he thinks about all this 'equality' ********.

#216 to #159 - admiralen

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cant you read? he said that equality isnt about men being created equal, its about treating everyone equally

#266 to #216 - gorginhanson

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Can you not think?
Why should everyone have the same vote when they are vastly different in capacity.
It's like giving one box to everyone and the kid can't see.

#325 to #266 - admiralen

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thats not what its about, its about everyone having the same chances and the ability to make the same choices, no matter if youre blind, retarded or in a minority

#326 to #325 - gorginhanson

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Except more educated people don't have the opportunity to increase their voting power as their understanding of the process and the candidates increases.

#327 to #326 - admiralen

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except thats not what equality is about, it means that we are all worth the same and have the same choices, even if theres someone smarter or faster out there, and if you got more power if you had more money or social standing (and i realize that in most cases you actually do) then you start making choices for the others, and forcing things upon them

#328 to #327 - gorginhanson

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people aren't all worth the same.
there is almost 0 evidence to suggest otherwise

#329 to #328 - admiralen

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than people like you are worth the least since you obviously arent smart enough to see that equality is about ideals and fairness, not about whos worth more

#330 to #329 - gorginhanson

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You idiot.
These fantasies about everyone being equal and everything being "fair" are ********.
Everything is shades of grey.
Only uneducated little ***** think the way you're describing.
Equality means that everyone gets what they deserve, not the same thing.

#331 to #330 - admiralen

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only true fools act like you do though, you think youre smarter and better than everyone else and that you are entitled to something because you did good once on a test.
equality means that everyone gets the same chances, you dont even understand the basis of ideology and fighting for how the world should be

#332 to #331 - gorginhanson

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Listen jackass, this has nothing to do with me.
Ignorance has a devastating effect on the world, and if you had an ounce of worldly experience, you would have figured that out by now.
Treating everyone as equally competent is disastrous.

#333 to #332 - admiralen

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its not about treating them equally competent, its about giving them the chance none the less, you would like to have a say in your future wouldnt you? so if a lot of rich people (whos opinions matter more than yours btw) said that everyone beneath them should be made in to slaves, then you couldnt do ****, cause they were obviously smarter than you and had more networth and were thus worth more

#341 to #333 - gorginhanson

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You know what people do with those equal votes?

Get tricked by idiotic campaign ads into voting from someone that will screw them over.
People just buy into the blatant lies.
There are vast numbers of studies that show that these ads work.
Letting ignorant people's votes count the same as others is the epitome of ignorance.

#338 to #333 - gorginhanson

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Having the same vote treats them as equally competent.
If you have nothing valid to say, don't say anything at all.

#339 to #338 - admiralen

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implying you could prove yourself more politically competent than someone else, the reason there are more than one party is because they all have a competent way to achieve their goals and the people get to choose which way its done, just cause some people think theyre smarter doesnt make them more right

#342 to #339 - gorginhanson

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Some people ARE smarter.
There is no way you can provide any sort of evidence that says otherwise.

#343 to #342 - admiralen

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and thats why you have politicians, who aim the clueless masses, you might think they are idiots, but theyre not, and if they are, there is someone behind them pulling the strings that isnt an idiot.
and especially in politics, you cant just prove that youre more right than someone, it is also about ideals, and everyone are entitled to their own opinion and choice

#344 to #343 - gorginhanson

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I didn't say they can't become smarter.
They are currently idiots, and should not be allowed to ruin everything for everyone else.

#346 to #344 - admiralen

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what is considered a "stupid" vote anyway? whats to say which opinion is the most right? this is why you have elections and such in the first place, so that the masses can unite under what they think is the most right, if you start taking away liberties except for the people who you consider thinks "right" its not even a choice at all, its favoritism for one opinion

#353 to #346 - gorginhanson

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Except your ideas of equality are skewed

#354 to #353 - admiralen

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how? i think that everyone should be granted the same chances regardless of where they come from.
being treated equal doesnt mean you dont have to prove yourself, it doesnt mean you get everything handed to you on a silverplatter.
it means that you all get to take the same test, it means you all get to try, some will be better and some will be worse, the better will succeed and the worse will fail, but atleast it will be fair

#347 to #346 - gorginhanson

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You always hear a ton of **** about people complaining about those who don't vote.
But what is even worse are those that vote when they are completely uninformed.
You're talking about favoritism, but that is inaccurate.
People that do not know how to drive cannot get a license, people that are not lawyers cannot give legal advice, people that are not doctors cannot perform medical procedures.
Your ideas about equality are completely unrealistic and juvenile.

#348 to #347 - admiralen

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what you are talking about is equal anyway, its that unless you get a licence you cant vote, it has nothing to do with what youve been talking about being smarter and getting more votes thanks to it, its just about proving you know what you talk about, its equal since no one gets handed a vote slip

#345 to #344 - admiralen

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but they dont, thats again why you have politicians who steer the wishes of the masses into something doable

#355 to #345 - gorginhanson

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to 354
Except there is no voter test

#356 to #355 - admiralen

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didnt you see when i said there ought to be one? i agreed with you on the fact that you should know what you vote for

#351 to #345 - gorginhanson

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Yes, there should be voting requirements other than age and citizenship.
That is the point.

#352 to #351 - admiralen

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then there was no point to bringing this up in a talk about equality since we obviously share the same views that people should all have the same choices and chances regardless of gender, race etc.

#349 to #345 - gorginhanson

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"what you are talking about is equal anyway, its that unless you get a licence you cant vote, it has nothing to do with what youve been talking about being smarter and getting more votes thanks to it, its just about proving you know what you talk about, its equal since no one gets handed a vote slip"

FIX YOUR GRAMMAR
No one knows what you're talking about

#350 to #349 - admiralen

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what i meant was that since everyone has to prove the same thing, no one gets those special priveleges you spoke of before, no one is worth more than anyone else, its just you having to study a bit in order to understand politics before getting to vote.
everyone is treated equally in such a case and they all have to same opportunities, no one is looked down upon

#59 to #20 - gorginhanson

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All right, some of those points are good,
but consider the following:

Every person's vote has the same weight in a democracy

#361 to #59 - mrsaytan

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How would you choose who's votes should have greater impact on the results? Yes, people make bad decisions, but it isn't directly proportional to the amount of education one has had. Where do you draw the line between dumb and smart people? You don't.
Maybe the rank of one's vote should be measured by their social values? Would you give more weight to someone's vote who value market economy over ecological sustainability or the person with opposite values? To one who values different things than the other, the latter's decisions may seem dumb, when in fact both are probably doing their best to choose the best alternative for their own values.

#362 to #361 - gorginhanson

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You're right. Some people are born smarter.

#363 to #362 - mrsaytan

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Not born, but raised.

#364 to #363 - gorginhanson

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west philadelphia.
and yes born

#365 to #364 - mrsaytan

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Excuse me?
Anyhow, okay, in a way born too.

#224 to #59 - anon id: 837188b6

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Why should someone's vote be worth differently? That to me sounds a lot like somebody being treated better or worse because of being different.

#262 to #224 - darshian

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He's trying to say stupid people's votes shouldn't count the same as an intelligent person's, which sounds like a great idea (stupid people don't research important political issues, etc.) but he forgets that that would mean his vote doesn't count.

Also, it would be oppression if they weren't allowed.

#334 to #262 - gorginhanson

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My vote would count triple.

#161 to #59 - retardedboss

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What you said is true, but consider the following:

"Something irrelevant."

#335 to #161 - anon id: f93d9181

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It's releant you fatgit

#142 to #59 - Petroleum

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I don't see why that's a problem.

#134 to #59 - hackhazardly

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That is equality.

#336 to #134 - anon id: f93d9181

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Listen up **** bag,
not all people are equal
treating them that way wouldn't be equality

#53 to #20 - acidreign

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Couldn't have said it better.

#337 to #53 - anon id: f93d9181

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Listen up **** bag number 2
not all people are equal
treating them that way wouldn't be equality

#340 to #337 - acidreign

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different != unequal

#290 to #53 - jakols

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Morgan Freeman can always say it better

Being equal doesn't mean you can't be different. Being equal means you won't be treated better or worse just for being different.
Being equal doesn't mean you are as good as anyone in any skill. Being equal means that those who have the skill should be able to get the job, in spite of his/her sexual orientation, skin colour, ethnicity etc.
Being equal is the freedom to be whatever you want/can, not being something because someone else wants to be something they want.

We can never be truly equal, nor can society be ever perfect, but we can always try to make this world a better place for the outcasts and oppressed.

#246 to #53 - anon id: 26b205cb

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I think actually I could; equality of opportunity.

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