Well, first of all, congratulations!

Secondly, how old are you? Your age would affect greatly where you would go/what you would say to your parents to leave the two of you alone.

Thanks! I'm 17, and she's 18. All I have to do is tell my mom that I'm going somewhere with my girlfriend and she trusts me. Her parents are a little more strict, though, as expected.

>17
>old enough, legal
Wut.

Well, in some states the age of consent is 16 as well, but in most places you need to be 18 to have sex with someone 4 years older than you. She is only 1 year older, so he doesn't need to be 18 to have sex with her.

ah. well where i live, both people must be 18, or it's statutory. retarded, i know. but that's how it is.

Pennsylvania right? It's 16.

The de jure (in name) age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16 years of age for sexual consent but a corruption of minors statute against adults corrupting the morals of minors under 18 years of age exists which makes the de facto (in fact) age of consent in Pennsylvania 18 years of age. However, the corruption of minors statute only applies to perpetrators 18 years of age and older, so it is legal for minors 16-17 to have sex with each other but not with a partner 18 or older.

If his girlfriend is 18 then it's still illegal.

>Implying that law means jack shit.

It impresses me to see states trying to take laws into their own hands, all they end up doing is making them more convoluted that nobody can follow then correctly.

Sodomy is still illegal in some places, it still happens though. So how about this, just let them fuck without worrying about the police busting down their door screaming "you are under arrest for consensual sex."

"convoluted...nobody can follow them correctly"? I think that law is pretty straightforward. 16- and 17-yr-olds can fuck people who are 16-17 but no one outside that age group. 18-yr-olds can fuck ppl 18 or older, but no one younger. as long as you know your own age, you just refer to those parameters and there's no reason to be confused.

I'm not talking about me, looking at the question you asked earlier, I'm more talking about you. You might have this huge moral barrier in your pants, but do you think a guy ready to pull his dick out is going to stop at the last moment and think through this?

I'm not the kind of guy who generalizes so easily that I'm just like, welp, guys are horny, might as well just let sleeping dogs fuck. I like to think there are at least a few guys out there with more self-control. Then again I'm just overly optimistic.

Why should we have self control? If you feel like having sex with someone you love, than why should you not do it? I am not religious, so if it's because of religion than I do not need an explanation.

While i could reference religious law, i won't. the specific reason that i personally want to wait until marriage is because i view sex as the highest form of physical intimacy between a couple. and as such, it loses its value (in my eyes) if you share it with more than one person. so i only want to have it with the one woman i'm going to spend the rest of my life with, and no one else. Now, that being said, i also feel that, even if you've found the person you're going to be with forever, you should still wait until marriage, because this can be a way to legitimize it, or, to use the more commonly used term, to consummate it. the marriage validates the sex, and in turn, the sex validates the marriage. this is all just my personal belief, but do you get what i'm saying?

I kind of get it, but you're still not 100% safe that you're gonna stay together for life. I'm just saying.

Well I know that I'm going to marry my girlfriend, and I'm never going to divorce her. She might divorce me, and that'd be sad, but I'll wait for her to come around. I know for a fact that she's the last girl I'm ever going to be with.

She's really into abuse, though.

Lucky guy.

My parents actually brought it up a few weeks ago, and they said that they don't necessarily want me having sex, but they did give me a couple of condoms because they were teenagers once, too, and they know how things go. As for what I am, I really have no clue. I don't know if I have any fetishes or anything because I've never watched porn (strange, I know), so I have no idea what I'm into.

Back the fuck up.

Answer me a few questions here,
1) How the hell have you actually managed to not watch porn? Religious thing?
2) You want to have sex for the first time without even knowing what you're going into?
3) How do you know that she's into abuse? Didn't you say it's her first time too?

Oh, and the clothes-on thing is because we've never had enough time to take it all the way. You know, parents and stuff.

I doubt I'm making any sense at all here.

I actually have no damn clue. I believe it's mostly a moral/religious thing. I do know what I'm going into, though, and no, it's not her first time. As for how I know she's into abuse, we've basically had clothes-on sex (I guess that's what you'd call it?) a lot, and I've learned what she likes from that. I told her that I've never watched porn and all that, so she's kind of teaching me this stuff.

Oh, and she's my first everything so far. First girlfriend, kiss, and everything else. Yes, it's pathetic, I'm 17 and I've never had a girlfriend. -_-

Well you've certainly got a unique situation, captain slow typer. I would do the whole picnic and watch the sunset type of thing, or considering what your girlfriend is into, the whole hold her down and brutally rape her type of thing.

If from this.. uh.. 'clothes on sex' you can determine what she is, go with it. If she's more dominant, just go along with her little fantasy. Or maybe, if you see the chance, wow her and be the dominate one.

Oh, and on your little 'pathetic' comment, remember that you are still the one getting laid before even getting to the national age of consent.

Congratulations, again, by the way. You just averted becoming this guy:
efukt.com/20929_The_24_Year_Old_Virgin.html

Well, thanks for your help. My situation definitely is... different.

i really wouldnt listen to that guy/girl. it is into tranny stuff and furries. not the kind of person i'd take advice from.