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kingderps (20 hours ago) [-]
With the zeno effect thing, I wonder what is meant by "observe" we can't see individual atoms normally, we need an electron microscope, that must do something to the atoms.
This whole "Atoms/particles/etc. act differently when they're being observed" thing is the one thing that confuses me most about quantum mechanics. Can someone explain the phenomenon in some reasonable fashion?
Forget the idea of 'observing', replace it with 'measuring' instead. It's bad terminology that just confuses people.
In a quantum system, before a measurement takes place, things just sorta act like a probability - 'you've got a 30% chance of finding this particle here, only a 5% chance over here' etc. Once we try to measure the system, the universe essentially rolls a dice and the particle appears in one of it's possible locations.
In a quantum system, before a measurement takes place, things just sorta act like a probability - 'you've got a 30% chance of finding this particle here, only a 5% chance over here' etc. Once we try to measure the system, the universe essentially rolls a dice and the particle appears in one of it's possible locations.
This isn't quite accurate, but should suffice for getting the general concept idea.
Imagine you have a 6-sided die floating in front of you, spinning so rapidly that you can't really tell which side is facing you at any moment. You can give probabilities (in this case, a 1/6 chance for each side if it's spinning randomly, if it is oriented flat and only spinning horizontally then only 4 sides will ever face you, and so on).
If, at any point, you wanted to check which side was facing you, you would have to stop the die from spinning. If you stopped it and the 5 was facing you, you'd now know the side, but the probability would be changed to 100% for the 5 and 0% for the other sides. By observing it (as in finding a way to measure the information you wanted), you have changed the properties of the die, locking it in place, and when you release it it will start spinning again and become semi-random.
Just replace the die with quantum particles, the only way to measure certain properties is to interact with the particles in such a way that they can't change until you stop measuring.
Imagine you have a 6-sided die floating in front of you, spinning so rapidly that you can't really tell which side is facing you at any moment. You can give probabilities (in this case, a 1/6 chance for each side if it's spinning randomly, if it is oriented flat and only spinning horizontally then only 4 sides will ever face you, and so on).
If, at any point, you wanted to check which side was facing you, you would have to stop the die from spinning. If you stopped it and the 5 was facing you, you'd now know the side, but the probability would be changed to 100% for the 5 and 0% for the other sides. By observing it (as in finding a way to measure the information you wanted), you have changed the properties of the die, locking it in place, and when you release it it will start spinning again and become semi-random.
Just replace the die with quantum particles, the only way to measure certain properties is to interact with the particles in such a way that they can't change until you stop measuring.
Discovering something like this redefines the way we percieve logic, before the discovery of gravity the idea of an object pulling on you by simply being near you probably sounded pretty silly, one hundred years from now this phenomenon will just be another law of physics
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randomuploads (4 hours ago) [-]
That's quite the complicated question, I think the most important thing to realise is that you can't observe a quantum system without changing it, as the observer becomes part of the system.
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anon (7 hours ago) [-]
I'm obviously posting as anon for this question:
So that first article about quantum mechanics apparently has some application in computers. If you can observe atoms, then you stop their motion. Who is going to be watching the computers? Does it have to be a human, or can it be an animal, or an insect? Does the thing observing have o be alive, or have a consciousness? Can you trick the atoms into thinking they're being watched?
So that first article about quantum mechanics apparently has some application in computers. If you can observe atoms, then you stop their motion. Who is going to be watching the computers? Does it have to be a human, or can it be an animal, or an insect? Does the thing observing have o be alive, or have a consciousness? Can you trick the atoms into thinking they're being watched?
In quantum mechanics 'observing' just mean measuring. So, in most cases, physicists hit things with photons to determine their position and momentum. As it turns out, if you shoot enough photons at your particles of interest, they are more likely to obey the laws of classical mechanics. Rates of Quantum tunnelling dramatically reduced, but the articles don't actually state that the atoms stop moving or anything.
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renacava ONLINE (6 hours ago) [-]
that's the question, wtf is up with consciousness and is it defined by its ability to observe?
either that, or it's using instruments to measure the atoms that interferes with them, eg: light hits the electrons in metals making them bounce around, which means that all we see is bouncing around electrons but the electrons are naturally not bouncing, it's the act of shining a light on it to observe it that changes its results... or something
i dunno man i read like one tiny book on quantum theory in 8th grade, **** , where's sciencexplain
tho i do think that guy, Bohr, he tried to figure out wtf is up with conscious observers being the trigger for that quantum **** we keep talking about... but i dont think people really cared much back then tho
either that, or it's using instruments to measure the atoms that interferes with them, eg: light hits the electrons in metals making them bounce around, which means that all we see is bouncing around electrons but the electrons are naturally not bouncing, it's the act of shining a light on it to observe it that changes its results... or something
i dunno man i read like one tiny book on quantum theory in 8th grade, **** , where's sciencexplain
tho i do think that guy, Bohr, he tried to figure out wtf is up with conscious observers being the trigger for that quantum **** we keep talking about... but i dont think people really cared much back then tho
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Eichimaru (7 hours ago) [-]
**Eichimaru used "*roll picture*"**
**Eichimaru rolled image** You gon' post "This week in Science" and give no links? That's cold, fam
**Eichimaru rolled image** You gon' post "This week in Science" and give no links? That's cold, fam
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anon (7 hours ago) [-]
Australia represent, my previous lab team is actually making photosynthesis for realsies. Through synth bio.