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whitechino (01/06/2016) [-]
i'm sure the monk wasn't laughing his ass off while erasing.
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whatswrongwithanon (01/06/2016) [-]
Yeah, **** those monks, and their reading and writing for destroying all knowledge. Except for the whole "keeping historical chronicles" thing. And all the documents they held on to, including many manuscripts by Archimedes and Aristotle that we wouldn't have if it weren't for monasteries. And the fact that they kept Latin script alive for centuries, unlike many forms of writing. They are a blight on our knowledge!
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thejusticar (01/06/2016) [-] im pretty sure he was just dumb and didn't know what it was.
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captnnorway (01/06/2016) [-] I imagine paper wasn't all that available back then. And Archimedies probably didn't write a which he intended others to read, and rather scribbled whatever he thought down on a bunch of papers. **** , even I have problem understanding by own scribbles when I know both the math behind it and what I was trying to achieve. The monk probably only saw a bunch on rubbish that wasted paper and decided it could be put to better use.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] Paper was often recycled as it was very expensive. Hell, there were paper shortages up to the start of the industrial revolution. There's also no way he could have known he had an original, he probably thought it was some random copy. To this day people continue to have doubts that the dusty old crap they find lying around is of any worth until they properly try to look it up. In fact, were it not for that monk the book probably would have just sat in some old shelf and rotted to nothing or ended up in some private collection that burned to the ground.
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valigar (01/06/2016) [-] Well, there weren't many things that got copied so widely, especially thousand year old manuscripts. I accept that paper was scarce, but he would've, or should've, known given the age of the book at the time of erasing, which I'm assuming would've been well over 500 years that it was more than some random book and still decided in spite of that fact that his prayers were worth more.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] They did hand-copy books back then, it was very rare but still done. Hell, if the monk didn't understand Greek (especially Syracusan Greek that was scribbled in a bunch of messy notes all along it) he probably just thought it was gobbledigook or that someone else had just copied their notes onto someone else's perfectly good book. Sure it must have looked old, but there's no way he could have known it was an authentic book by THE Archimedes. How exactly should he have known? If it took modern people a while to realize that the book was not in fact medieval and was actually ancient how should the monk have known it was 500 years old and not a fifth of that amount of time? Can you honestly tell exactly how old a book is just by looking at it?
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Uh paper? You know that in that age they used vellum parchments made from animal skin? He probably didn't know what he was writing over, but I am pretty sure he didn't write over it because of vellum shortage.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] They used whatever material they could get their grubby little hands on back then. You know how today libraries will give away or throw old their oldest and dustiest books that don't appear to be worth anything? Well back then they just wrote over those books instead of wasting all that paper.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
I sincerely doubt that church, which was main consumer of vellum production, had any actual vellum shortage, simply because there was always need for new material to write on as you say.
Seems much more likely he mistook the material for devil summoning incantation or some **** like that and written prayers all over it to ''exorcise'' it.
But hell, It happened pretty long time ago. It could easily be one way or another.
Seems much more likely he mistook the material for devil summoning incantation or some **** like that and written prayers all over it to ''exorcise'' it.
But hell, It happened pretty long time ago. It could easily be one way or another.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] You do ******* realize that monks were and still are very educated people with a lot of respect for classical philosophy right? You continue to look at this from a modern perspective. Paper was ******* valuable. It was expensive as hell. You don't just reject free paper back then. Palimpsests, or materials that were written over, were ******* everywhere. You know why? Because paper was valuable and people didn't waste it. You really think the church just got you things because you were a monk? Do you even comprehend that there were no centralized supply systems like that back then? Stop thinking in this post industrial revolution mindset of constant supply and instantaneous communication, it's pretty stupid.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Also, of course there were systems of constant supply at that time. Hell, there were even guilds that specialized in upholding quality standards of goods, let alone keeping the manufacturers supplied.
Vellum is practically just leather treated in a certain way, and I am pretty sure that when there was enough leather to make stuff like armor, straps, aprons and smithing gloves, church would ensure there was always enough vellum for monks not only to make books from (which brought money to church as books were pretty expensive business, given by the fact all those books had to be handwritten), but also to learn how to write, as that requires practice as well.
Vellum is practically just leather treated in a certain way, and I am pretty sure that when there was enough leather to make stuff like armor, straps, aprons and smithing gloves, church would ensure there was always enough vellum for monks not only to make books from (which brought money to church as books were pretty expensive business, given by the fact all those books had to be handwritten), but also to learn how to write, as that requires practice as well.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] There was no central distributor of vellum products, there was local production of paper, sure, but you act like the church hierarchy then was some sort of rigid machine, it wasn't. Monasteries bought paper from the money they made from tithes, but there were plenty of shortages of paper (including but not limited to vellum, which can be pretty damn frustrating to work with, there's a reason we don't use it anymore). And sometimes you just didn't make enough bank for that much paper. It could be any number of factors, but you need to understand that you didn't just have warehouses where you "put an order in".
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Look lets not call it paper okay? Every-time I hear paper when talking about medieval Europe it makes me cringe. Also, if the monk in question was educated, he would have realized what he is erasing and writing over.
Also, knowing how to read and write, while being knowledge not available wide public, were practical skills that can not honestly yet be called proper education. Or more specifically, the monk in question was most likely not educated in that certain field, and thus took the text paper in question for heresy.
I mean come the hell on, your average female villager would be called witch and burned in public just because she knew a thing or two about healing herbs and was one nice neighbor short on her luck.
Also, knowing how to read and write, while being knowledge not available wide public, were practical skills that can not honestly yet be called proper education. Or more specifically, the monk in question was most likely not educated in that certain field, and thus took the text paper in question for heresy.
I mean come the hell on, your average female villager would be called witch and burned in public just because she knew a thing or two about healing herbs and was one nice neighbor short on her luck.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] You know what makes me cringe? The shear level of lies and myths that you believe about Europe during the middle ages. Monks were all learned and made to read and understand Latin because that's what the bible was written in and you couldn't be a monk if you couldn't read your own religious text. They didn't just burn all the ******* books, they preserved them and wrote more books about not just religion, but science and philosophy because the church was giving poor people an education long before the state ever did. And witch hunting wasn't a common practice because the Catholic church actually condemned putting them to death for supposed ills that towns experienced. It wasn't until after the 13th century "new theology"= of Thomas Aquinas and possibly even after the reformation and counter reformation that it became common practice. Where do you get your information? The Gentlesir's Guide to le Euphoric History?
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Dude, most monks weren't given any education, let alone common folk. There were scribes (text), illuminators (art and ornamentation), high church officials, priests, and teachers. Those people had actual education. The rest didn't. after all, it is said that only 5% of population of Europe in 1330 was educated. Considering how many monasteries, churches, abbeys and so on there were...well, you do the math.
Monks were mostly simple people living in monastery, working to feed themselves and the above, while also manufacturing and selling goods like alcoholic beverages and food, which is how they gained funds. The church also gained funds tithes and donations, and funds gained from selling their books to nobility.
Monks were taught about god and learned prayers in the same manner as peasantry did, verbally. Priests were the actual people who knew how to write and read those prayers from bible, which is how they taught them monks and common folk.
Also make no mistake, most church estates and their representatives were filthy rich, and something like vellum was cheap business for them, as they had multiple ways to generate income, as well as the favor of nobility and pope.
Monks were mostly simple people living in monastery, working to feed themselves and the above, while also manufacturing and selling goods like alcoholic beverages and food, which is how they gained funds. The church also gained funds tithes and donations, and funds gained from selling their books to nobility.
Monks were taught about god and learned prayers in the same manner as peasantry did, verbally. Priests were the actual people who knew how to write and read those prayers from bible, which is how they taught them monks and common folk.
Also make no mistake, most church estates and their representatives were filthy rich, and something like vellum was cheap business for them, as they had multiple ways to generate income, as well as the favor of nobility and pope.
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falxcariusbro (01/06/2016) [-] You do know what a Monastic school is, right?
Monks were the originators of our modern system of higher education. Certain orders did preach simplicity and rejected scholasticism but most didn't. You're quoting ******** statistics I've never heard of and acting as if the church didn't provide educations to those who ented the clergy when it very much did. The church did own a lot of land in total but that was divied up between the bishops and archbishops. The papacy ultimately was able to get a cut of the money those estates made and when put together accounted for a lot but on the local level monasteries cost money to run day to day and add that with the fact that they did a lot of charity work and you can see that it's not exactly swimming in gold. And again, vellum kind of sucks. It's hardly an ideal paper and recycled old book paper was much preferred any day. The fact that this monk could actually write his prayers (no doubt in latin) seems to suggest that he was very much educated. But here's the thing, if you're out in your public library and you desperately need some paper for some reason you might as well pick the dusty old one that nobody reads that's in another language that nobody there can read.
Monks were the originators of our modern system of higher education. Certain orders did preach simplicity and rejected scholasticism but most didn't. You're quoting ******** statistics I've never heard of and acting as if the church didn't provide educations to those who ented the clergy when it very much did. The church did own a lot of land in total but that was divied up between the bishops and archbishops. The papacy ultimately was able to get a cut of the money those estates made and when put together accounted for a lot but on the local level monasteries cost money to run day to day and add that with the fact that they did a lot of charity work and you can see that it's not exactly swimming in gold. And again, vellum kind of sucks. It's hardly an ideal paper and recycled old book paper was much preferred any day. The fact that this monk could actually write his prayers (no doubt in latin) seems to suggest that he was very much educated. But here's the thing, if you're out in your public library and you desperately need some paper for some reason you might as well pick the dusty old one that nobody reads that's in another language that nobody there can read.
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
It was extremely common in those days to do this kind of thing since paper was expensive. There's even a word for the practise: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest
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hongkonglongdong (01/06/2016) [-]
Loads of monks did it, actually. They just had different priorities; and writing materials ain't cheap. They usually scrubbed more useless papers, though.
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theplanetearth (01/06/2016) [-] Don't be a jackass. They preserved classical philosophy, and history two.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/05/2016) [-]
Yeah, but only because the Vatican wanting the rest of the people stupid and ignorant
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] >The Vatican
>Medieval Ages
Just with those two things I can tell you are talking out of your ass here. It has nothing to do with "the vatican wanting" **** . Thing is, education was out of most people's hand to the pont that even in Early Medieval Ages, most monks were iliterate. It changed when Charlemagne decided that in order to be a priest, you should be educated so you could educate others (and understand God's teachings) and from that point, every monastery wanted to have a decent-sized library.
>Medieval Ages
Just with those two things I can tell you are talking out of your ass here. It has nothing to do with "the vatican wanting" **** . Thing is, education was out of most people's hand to the pont that even in Early Medieval Ages, most monks were iliterate. It changed when Charlemagne decided that in order to be a priest, you should be educated so you could educate others (and understand God's teachings) and from that point, every monastery wanted to have a decent-sized library.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/05/2016) [-]
Tat's just light forces creating a positive situation out of the negative situation already created by the dark forces. I might be wrong, but wasn't it at that time that you were killed for being a heretic?
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] "Light forces creating a positive situation out of the negative situation..."
What does being a heretic have to do with anything, anyway?
What does being a heretic have to do with anything, anyway?
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/05/2016) [-]
The Vatican is Rome's child btw. Its task was to suppress human evolution, distort the teachings of the Christ and use them as mind control for the population. Suppress knowledge.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/05/2016) [-]
This isn't even hidden history. You never heard of the inquisition?
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Burning heretics != "supress human evolution, distort the teaching of the Christ and use them as mind control for the population. Suppress knowledge".
Did you know the Church is the reason we have universities and high, critical and analytical education? I'm sure you didn't. Why are you brining up the inquisition here? It has nothing to do with the topic.
Did you know the Church is the reason we have universities and high, critical and analytical education? I'm sure you didn't. Why are you brining up the inquisition here? It has nothing to do with the topic.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Well, there were independent medical doctors in medieval times, but yeah, one of the purposes of the church was to take care of sick and wounded. There was also an order called Hospitaliers, who specialized in providing things like protection and medical aid to European pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/05/2016) [-]
"Heretic" was just the favorite word of the time, like terrorist is today, to target people as the enemies so you can basically do whatever you want to them with the consent of people.
The mind control is the same and fear that is programmed into them (subconscious mind) through their parents and society. Example of the beliefs/programms:
-You're not worthy of good things, you must go through pain to cleanse yourself and deserve good.
-You're wrong (original sin)
-you must feel shame and guilt
-if you don't do good (what we tell you) you will go to Hell for an eternity
-feeding superstition in other ways like paying to have your sins removed
Yeah, the Jesuits have influenced the human population through their universities.
What you call higher knowledge is actually **** , primitive knowledge and some faulty theories (i'm mostly aware of the economic ones but some say, for example, the 2nd law of thermodinamics is wrong because it makes it seem as if tho free energy is impossible and super-luminal speed is impossible too)
When the planet is liberated from those controllers we will have real knowledge that involves consciousness and you will see hoe primitively we were living. you just don't have a good point of reference for example, just the manufactured version of history they teach you so you think you're living at the very edge of human progress.
The mind control is the same and fear that is programmed into them (subconscious mind) through their parents and society. Example of the beliefs/programms:
-You're not worthy of good things, you must go through pain to cleanse yourself and deserve good.
-You're wrong (original sin)
-you must feel shame and guilt
-if you don't do good (what we tell you) you will go to Hell for an eternity
-feeding superstition in other ways like paying to have your sins removed
Yeah, the Jesuits have influenced the human population through their universities.
What you call higher knowledge is actually **** , primitive knowledge and some faulty theories (i'm mostly aware of the economic ones but some say, for example, the 2nd law of thermodinamics is wrong because it makes it seem as if tho free energy is impossible and super-luminal speed is impossible too)
When the planet is liberated from those controllers we will have real knowledge that involves consciousness and you will see hoe primitively we were living. you just don't have a good point of reference for example, just the manufactured version of history they teach you so you think you're living at the very edge of human progress.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] You call the trivium and and the quadrivium "primitive knowledge"? Again, you have no idea what are you talking about. The trivium is a method of critical thinking and the quadrivium are the teachings of arts. You say many theories were faulty back then, but so are many that are coming today and so were many that came before those in the Medieval Ages. Errare humanum est and it has nothing to do with Religion but with our own nature.
Of course there was control by the Catholic authorities to the population, that **** is obvious. Of course many "heretics" weren't but political enemies (see the crusade called to John Lackland). Of course there was a control on the knowledge and even censorship. But they did not seek to "supress" knowledge. They wanted to preserve it and manipulate it. Most of the knowledge was lost not because of Christian intervention, but after the barbarian tribes broke into Rome settled there. Why do you think the "purge" didn't start earlier? Rome was Christian before those amounts of knowledge were lost.
I'm not theologian, you are brining up theology issues to a history matter. Also "I dont have a good reference because I was taught the history they teach me" ******* lel. Now this is when I know I'm talking with a delusional. I "haven't been taught" mindlessly as you want to put it, I've been told to read, I've been told to criticize, I've been told to investigate. I've been told to never say anything for sure. Could I be wrong? For sure. Could you be right? I guess. But the thing is, most sources are backing me up and honestly, you sound like one of those conspiracy theoricals, a person who prefers to believe. You can believe whatever you want, but I won't bother in trying to make you think otherwise because obviously I can't just throw facts at you and expect you to believe them since we are talking about beliefs: your beliefs.
Of course there was control by the Catholic authorities to the population, that **** is obvious. Of course many "heretics" weren't but political enemies (see the crusade called to John Lackland). Of course there was a control on the knowledge and even censorship. But they did not seek to "supress" knowledge. They wanted to preserve it and manipulate it. Most of the knowledge was lost not because of Christian intervention, but after the barbarian tribes broke into Rome settled there. Why do you think the "purge" didn't start earlier? Rome was Christian before those amounts of knowledge were lost.
I'm not theologian, you are brining up theology issues to a history matter. Also "I dont have a good reference because I was taught the history they teach me" ******* lel. Now this is when I know I'm talking with a delusional. I "haven't been taught" mindlessly as you want to put it, I've been told to read, I've been told to criticize, I've been told to investigate. I've been told to never say anything for sure. Could I be wrong? For sure. Could you be right? I guess. But the thing is, most sources are backing me up and honestly, you sound like one of those conspiracy theoricals, a person who prefers to believe. You can believe whatever you want, but I won't bother in trying to make you think otherwise because obviously I can't just throw facts at you and expect you to believe them since we are talking about beliefs: your beliefs.
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bigbadpapaboris (01/05/2016) [-] you bring me back to not so long ago when I too was too a narrowminded "the church ruined the world" guy. Only recently I noticed how stupid I was. Continue spreading knoledge my friend, god speed.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
Why can't you idiots see you're projecting?
Im not saying the Church ruined the world. I'm saying it was one of the instruments the controllers of this world used to further enslave humanity. All religions. The media is used for that purpose too. governmental structures too. the financial system.
Im not saying the Church ruined the world. I'm saying it was one of the instruments the controllers of this world used to further enslave humanity. All religions. The media is used for that purpose too. governmental structures too. the financial system.
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bigbadpapaboris (01/08/2016) [-] Even if this was true, what are you going to do about it? Just get along and be content of what you have a thi point, do charity if you want to help the others, there's nothing else you can do about it mate.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
Of course there is. i was born to help in the planetary liberation. which you can do by liberating yourself. do emotional work, most of us are taught to suppress our emotions and literally carry within us a lot of suppressed emotional energy and that affects our ability to feel. also, heal your mind from their mental programs (beliefs).
In short, the greatest way to help in the liberation is to connect with your own inner guidance and rid yourself of everything that isn't you.
In short, the greatest way to help in the liberation is to connect with your own inner guidance and rid yourself of everything that isn't you.
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bigbadpapaboris (01/08/2016) [-] Ok, now I'm gonna scientifically analize this situation :
You are a :
-1 Troll (Most accredited)
-2 Vegan Buhddihist Bush-did-9/11 Edgelord
-3 A guy who injected too many Marijuanas
C'mon man, stop wasting my time, bring up real **** or don't even bother responding.
You are a :
-1 Troll (Most accredited)
-2 Vegan Buhddihist Bush-did-9/11 Edgelord
-3 A guy who injected too many Marijuanas
C'mon man, stop wasting my time, bring up real **** or don't even bother responding.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
it is amazing. I'm not of that. but you seem to be hungry for labeling me and putting me in one of your boxes of preconceived notions so that you can invalidate me and feel good and go about your day.
I'm not gonna force you to change your mind. Have a good weekend.
I'm not gonna force you to change your mind. Have a good weekend.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
You just don't know enough. It's probably a valid conclusion with the information you have at hand.
how can i explain slavery and suppression of human potential to someone who has learned to see it as normal?
how can i explain slavery and suppression of human potential to someone who has learned to see it as normal?
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] >Implying slavery is a Christian thing
>Implying Christian Church didn't actually improve slaves' situation (maybe not a lot, but better than before)
>Implying you are making any point whatsoever or explaining anything
>Implying Christian Church didn't actually improve slaves' situation (maybe not a lot, but better than before)
>Implying you are making any point whatsoever or explaining anything
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
I didn't imply slavery is a Christian thing. Religions are part of the slave system.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
another ad hominem attack, and I don't know what it's called but there must be something about creating faulty association.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
I'm not being like that. Those people are butthurt because they themselves are atheists and they considered anyone who believs in a God to be an idiot. (even tho they don't see their own aggresion and lack of self love is them succumbing to the programming rampant in this world, too)
I do believe in the Source. The Creator. You and me are it.
I do believe in the Source. The Creator. You and me are it.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
Yeah, I'm not explaining. hjonestly i'm too lazy for that. I would have to gather sources and explain things to you and maybe you won't even read them or you will reject it all on some reason.
I guess I shouldn't be arguing if that's the case, but I'm using the most basic concusion that are somewhat self-evident once you look with the right eyes.
We obviously have quite a gap between what your concepts and mine mean and view of the world.
I guess I shouldn't be arguing if that's the case, but I'm using the most basic concusion that are somewhat self-evident once you look with the right eyes.
We obviously have quite a gap between what your concepts and mine mean and view of the world.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] You think religions are what's wrong. That religions refrain human potential. Well, guess what? Religions bred states. States brought people together. People together is what have achieved the biggest and most important feats in our history. You may discuss the religious institutions have played an important role in degrading a certain sectors of the population in others' benefit and I won't deny that. But whether you believe or not, religions are the reasons we have states now because religions have given monarchs a "divine persmission" to rule. Everything notorious the mankind has achieved is thanks to the religions you seem to hate that much. You don't know anything.
You are trying so hard to sound smart, you are saying "I could explain to you, but I won't", patronizing me. I'm explaining my position and you are just there, repeating "I wouldn't understand" or that "I wouldn't read it". Well, whatever. Believe whatever you want, you probably haven't read this or that other wall of texts I've posted so I may aswell be like you and not explaining anything. Oh wait, I won't because I actually have sources and knowledge about the topic. Something you don't.
You are trying so hard to sound smart, you are saying "I could explain to you, but I won't", patronizing me. I'm explaining my position and you are just there, repeating "I wouldn't understand" or that "I wouldn't read it". Well, whatever. Believe whatever you want, you probably haven't read this or that other wall of texts I've posted so I may aswell be like you and not explaining anything. Oh wait, I won't because I actually have sources and knowledge about the topic. Something you don't.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] Religions are the main connecting element to people. I'm not an expert yet , I'm just a student but as far as I've read, every single early civilization (and even the subsequent ones) are based on the same main pillars and one of them is the Religion. Since humans are humans, we've had an abstract thinking and a wonder of "what's beyong the physical realm". Religious institutions have taken advantage of that need in most humans of believing in something and have used it to connect people, to make people feel they belong to something. Soon, those institutions will give "permission" (for example saying "god wills this guy to be the ruler) to monarchs to rule, and that's how the first states are born I'm sorry if I'm not explaining myself too well but it's kind of hard to explain since English is not my native language . Is it a evolutionary step? I wouldn't say so, but it is a step forward to a more complex social organization. Without relgion and religious institutions, we probably would be still living in small villages of farmers.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
Okay, here's the kicker.
We're all The Creator. we all have creative potential. We're Physical Angels. We're heirs of grace.
Humanity and the whole planet was taken over by negative extraterresrial that were invited since the times of Atlantis.
We could all be living in a society with free enrgy in which we recognize that we are all One and the same,literally, and so live in the planet as a family. Live along with nature, cause we're nature and we're wearing the planet (our bodies) and living in harmony with animals, and actually helping improve the conditions of nature itself, since, just like we've used our creative potential to destroy it, we can also enhance it like the rest of the animals do.
There ha been progress made by the people who saught to bring Light into the planet. But we're operating from a disempowered state. we're a traumatized species with amnesia.
What you're seeing right now in Syria is a proxy war. US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the negative rulers of those countries and their slaves will be removed from power. There's an alliance on Earth looking to liberate us from the debt-money financial system slavery.
There's also already a Secret Space Program right now in which they have healing technologies that could benefit all of humanity, the technology to travel through or solar System and beyond and give free energy to all. Lack as we know it in this planet is an artificial construct.
There are ETs and a lot of them are humans or humanoid and they've been part of Humanity's history since it's inception.
The things you can more easily find proof of in the net, are the financial system slavery
It's inevitable collapse
UFO topic being suppresed and ridiculed. Whistleblower statements of government dealings with Ets both positive and negative
Secret Space Program (which originate din germany in the 1930s with the Thule Society) and then continued in the US thanks to project paperclip.
We're all The Creator. we all have creative potential. We're Physical Angels. We're heirs of grace.
Humanity and the whole planet was taken over by negative extraterresrial that were invited since the times of Atlantis.
We could all be living in a society with free enrgy in which we recognize that we are all One and the same,literally, and so live in the planet as a family. Live along with nature, cause we're nature and we're wearing the planet (our bodies) and living in harmony with animals, and actually helping improve the conditions of nature itself, since, just like we've used our creative potential to destroy it, we can also enhance it like the rest of the animals do.
There ha been progress made by the people who saught to bring Light into the planet. But we're operating from a disempowered state. we're a traumatized species with amnesia.
What you're seeing right now in Syria is a proxy war. US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the negative rulers of those countries and their slaves will be removed from power. There's an alliance on Earth looking to liberate us from the debt-money financial system slavery.
There's also already a Secret Space Program right now in which they have healing technologies that could benefit all of humanity, the technology to travel through or solar System and beyond and give free energy to all. Lack as we know it in this planet is an artificial construct.
There are ETs and a lot of them are humans or humanoid and they've been part of Humanity's history since it's inception.
The things you can more easily find proof of in the net, are the financial system slavery
It's inevitable collapse
UFO topic being suppresed and ridiculed. Whistleblower statements of government dealings with Ets both positive and negative
Secret Space Program (which originate din germany in the 1930s with the Thule Society) and then continued in the US thanks to project paperclip.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] Let me guess, you think Aliens built the pyramids too, right?
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
They weren't tombs, I can tell you that much.
The great Pyramid of giza was the place where the final "initiation" was taken by members of Egiptian Mystery Schools (which studied consciousness)
The great Pyramid of giza was the place where the final "initiation" was taken by members of Egiptian Mystery Schools (which studied consciousness)
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] Whatever dude, you are just another believer. Don't **** on religion, you are believing in one.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
you don't seemm to be able to tell the difference between knowing from direct experience and blind belief because someone said so.
What I'm saying about consciousness is something that I discovered by myself.
What I'm saying about consciousness is something that I discovered by myself.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] >comparing your thing about conciousness to the universal law of gravity
>comparing your belief (because it's not even a theory nor a hypothesis, it's just a plain belief) to a sustained theory with a lot of evidence to back it up.
You are hilarious. You are talking like a metaphysical philosopher. And you want to know what happens to metaphysical philosophy? It brought no real knowledge even when it's much older than science.
How do we know we exist by the way? Why can't we be in a virtual world like Matrix? Why yes, I'd like some evidence backing up our existance. All of us.
Also, personal experience is not flawless.
mashimo.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/bertrand-russells-inductivist-turkey/
>comparing your belief (because it's not even a theory nor a hypothesis, it's just a plain belief) to a sustained theory with a lot of evidence to back it up.
You are hilarious. You are talking like a metaphysical philosopher. And you want to know what happens to metaphysical philosophy? It brought no real knowledge even when it's much older than science.
How do we know we exist by the way? Why can't we be in a virtual world like Matrix? Why yes, I'd like some evidence backing up our existance. All of us.
Also, personal experience is not flawless.
mashimo.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/bertrand-russells-inductivist-turkey/
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] You've claimed to know the truth. And you are claiming to know stuff you don't need sources to. No backsies now.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
do you honestly need a source to tell you you exist? No. direct experience is good enough for that. direct experience also showed me that I'm pure consciousness.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] Sure buddy, you do know. You know everything, go enlight the world with your wisdom, oh master Truth Bearer.
As I've explained earlier, a lot of religious pepople claim to know there's a god and to know what kind of god there is. Your claim is NO different from theirs because you can't prove anything. Just. Like. Them.
As I've explained earlier, a lot of religious pepople claim to know there's a god and to know what kind of god there is. Your claim is NO different from theirs because you can't prove anything. Just. Like. Them.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
**** me. i guess that would've been a good argument to shut off the guy who noticed there was something called gravity but couldn't prove what it was
Want an example that you're consciousness? You are aware. you're gonna say that's your brain but science doesn't know that. they suppose, but can't even prove it. Why? because consciousness sin't generated in the brain. Like someone said, it's like trying to look for the radio announcer inside of the radio itself.
Want an example that you're consciousness? You are aware. you're gonna say that's your brain but science doesn't know that. they suppose, but can't even prove it. Why? because consciousness sin't generated in the brain. Like someone said, it's like trying to look for the radio announcer inside of the radio itself.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] You seem to ignore part of what I'm saying. You are implying I'm claiming to know everything and you are also implying I'm claiming the scientific method to be perfect. And I'm getting rather tired of repeating myself and arguing over this nonsense. I'm not "accepting the truth", there's no "accepted truth", you are ******* wrong. There's no truth, there are just theories. The only one claming to have the Truth is yourself, not me.
Also, pic related. Since you've pointed out my previous one, I'll point out yours.
Also, pic related. Since you've pointed out my previous one, I'll point out yours.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
I'm not using what I say as an argument of why you should believe it, I already left that clear, but, that I'm not being religious or having faith. because this is something I know.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
Because i know it. **** . you exist. that's not an opinion. that's TRUTH. you can know truth.
The TRUTH is that your real nature is pure consciousness. you're infinite and eternal and you're using that power to have the experience of being a human.
The TRUTH is that your real nature is pure consciousness. you're infinite and eternal and you're using that power to have the experience of being a human.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] You are just another religious person who "knows" everything and "knows" there's something we can't explain with science. Get off your high horse, you are just like the others.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
Science hasn't been able to find consciousness in the brain because the brain doesn't generate consciousness. You're someone who is dependant on what authority figures will tell him without understanding what he is being told. Are you aware that belief and dogma also run rampant in scientific circles? If you don't go with the accepted truth, you risk losing your reputation, just by talking about taboo subjects.
Watch "The Science Delusion" it's a Ted talk. I'm not saying there's no merit to the scientific method. But it's not perfect.
I know what consciousness is. I've experienced myself as pure consciousness. i know this just as I know I exist.
Watch "The Science Delusion" it's a Ted talk. I'm not saying there's no merit to the scientific method. But it's not perfect.
I know what consciousness is. I've experienced myself as pure consciousness. i know this just as I know I exist.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] "I feel I was ready. I feel I was meeting the truth" Now you are talking as someone who has embraced a faith. How ironic someone who shat on religion so much happens to be a person of faith. But I am not. I need proofs and a nice fairy tail and a couple of theories and patterns won't work. Have fun with your faith, if it floats your boat good for you.
A big difference between you and me is, you know the truth. I never claimed I do. You say what I "believe" is not the truth, and I say that what you believe might be the truth, I just happen not to believe it because it lacks a scientific base. I'm someone who constantly doubts of everything and deals with the information who has at the moment (so I might change my opinion, and probably will, in the future) and you have found your truth. You, my friend, are a religious person.
A big difference between you and me is, you know the truth. I never claimed I do. You say what I "believe" is not the truth, and I say that what you believe might be the truth, I just happen not to believe it because it lacks a scientific base. I'm someone who constantly doubts of everything and deals with the information who has at the moment (so I might change my opinion, and probably will, in the future) and you have found your truth. You, my friend, are a religious person.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
I'm not a person of faith. I've seen my true nature is consciousness, not even mind. Pure, infinite, eternal, awareness.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] I'm not "actively trying not to believe". I just don't see the sense in their explanations, it sounds like a belief with no scientific base whatsoever. Does it sound good? I guess. But it's not science. It's just a made up metaphysical explanation. Do you believe that? It's great. But don't try to make it look as science because it's not.
Also, you are the one trying to persuade me. You are the one enlighting me. Why should I be the one googling about information? You are the one who understand, shouldn't you be the one sending me the sources that better explain it?
Also, you are the one trying to persuade me. You are the one enlighting me. Why should I be the one googling about information? You are the one who understand, shouldn't you be the one sending me the sources that better explain it?
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
No. i'm giving you "clues". "cool stuff". when I first heard about this information, well , I guess I was ready and I attracted it to me. It felt like hearing truth, which feels like hearing something you already knew but didn't remember. I was hoping the same would happen to someone, even you if I keep sharing, and then maybe you'd feel curious and want to check more information about this.
In my own journey, I've come to realize I'm the Creator (as is everyone else because we're all truly one. You are me and i'm you). I'm also an extraterrestrial soul incarnated from the ]Pleiades and I'm here to help with the planetary liberation and my passion is to live the Second Renaissance and create create create.
I wish you to join in the celebration of knowing about the true reality we live in. Our extra-terrestrial family. Source love for us. your infinite power. A world with free energy where people explore their creativity and talents and there's no lack.
That's the world we're heading into, but first we have to liberate the planet from the people who have been controlling it.
I know this is just my pov, from your perspective, and it would be very irresponsible to change your belief system just because I say so. But I hope the energy in these words wakes up something inside on you and allows you to FEEL.
In my own journey, I've come to realize I'm the Creator (as is everyone else because we're all truly one. You are me and i'm you). I'm also an extraterrestrial soul incarnated from the ]Pleiades and I'm here to help with the planetary liberation and my passion is to live the Second Renaissance and create create create.
I wish you to join in the celebration of knowing about the true reality we live in. Our extra-terrestrial family. Source love for us. your infinite power. A world with free energy where people explore their creativity and talents and there's no lack.
That's the world we're heading into, but first we have to liberate the planet from the people who have been controlling it.
I know this is just my pov, from your perspective, and it would be very irresponsible to change your belief system just because I say so. But I hope the energy in these words wakes up something inside on you and allows you to FEEL.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] I've watched the video and:
1. It basically uses math to create a pattern. Cool. That's the only "science" there is. The interpretations of what it means and how it was formed are completely made up and it's just another belief, just as religion could be (in fact, it quotes the Bible)
2. Most of the assumptions the video does (it was known by other civilizations) are basically followed by a random picture as a "proof" but I don't see any kind of link to an external work that explains how do they say those ancient civilizations knew about it nor whatever the meaning they could attribute to that pattern.
And again, I repeat: even if all this was true, it still doesn't explain why pyramids weren't tombs. It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. It.
1. It basically uses math to create a pattern. Cool. That's the only "science" there is. The interpretations of what it means and how it was formed are completely made up and it's just another belief, just as religion could be (in fact, it quotes the Bible)
2. Most of the assumptions the video does (it was known by other civilizations) are basically followed by a random picture as a "proof" but I don't see any kind of link to an external work that explains how do they say those ancient civilizations knew about it nor whatever the meaning they could attribute to that pattern.
And again, I repeat: even if all this was true, it still doesn't explain why pyramids weren't tombs. It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. It.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
And yeah, this still doesn't explain the pyramids, it was just about showing you that sacred geometry isn't just "advanced geometry". go check the book and there it explains how the whole pyramid itself was an instrument to evolve consciousness.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
Dude, google flower of life, ancient civilizations and you'll get the info you want.
you're actively trying to not accept this, you aren't seeing it objectively or you just don't understand the importance of it.
you're actively trying to not accept this, you aren't seeing it objectively or you just don't understand the importance of it.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] "the flower of life" is basically a new age belief. There's no proof of its existance. That video you showed me proves nothing because it's just a "imagine X is like this". It's the opposite of a scientific statement. Maybe science is not perfect, but for now it's the best we got and all I'm hearing in that video is someone who discovered a pattern and interpretates it as something meaningful. And for that, quotes the Bible to make up statements. You believe in that? That's cool, I won't meddle in that. But it's just a belief. It's not science.
Also, even if all this was true, it still doesn't explain why do you say "pyramids aren't tombs"
Also, even if all this was true, it still doesn't explain why do you say "pyramids aren't tombs"
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
It is a fact it was known by the ancient civilizations we know of (like China). Please watch the video I linked to you and then comment. The mathematics of it are undeniable and you can see why it is such an important information.
Modern scientist like Nassim Haramein think it could be the basis of the structure of the vacuum.
Modern scientist like Nassim Haramein think it could be the basis of the structure of the vacuum.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] Of course it's based on advanced geometry and mathematics, there's no way ancient egyptians could've built pyramids without those knowledges, I never claimed otherwise. But "sacred geometry"? That's just a cool made up term used for an advanced knowledge of sciences by the egyptians.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1ajWeY_wc
You can jump to 1:55 for the basic explanation of how it starts. Spirit Science knowledge of Sacred Geometry comes from the book The Flower of Life.
You can jump to 1:55 for the basic explanation of how it starts. Spirit Science knowledge of Sacred Geometry comes from the book The Flower of Life.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
Sacred Geometry is called that way because it honors consciousness as the building block of reality. It's the geometry of consciousness, you could say, and thus, reality.
Just see how the patter of the flower of life was discovered. It starts with Spirit's original moves in the void.
Just see how the patter of the flower of life was discovered. It starts with Spirit's original moves in the void.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] The flower of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek? I ask for source and you give me that? Get the **** out, that guy has no credentials whatsoever except for a major in physics. He's a "traveler" who teaches meditation to people, what the hell does he know about history? Nothing.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] You can tell me they weren't tombs? Oh, geez, thanks for enlight me so much with your sourceless statement. I see all I've read and studied made by specialist on the matter is wrong because some guy who believes in aliens and some other stuff tells me otherwise. Thanks for making me see the truth.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
He will very much show you how the pyramid is made and the basics of sacred geometry. that's math, that's not something you make up. It is its own evidence. Check for yourself. There's other things in that book that you probably won't believe. But the mathematical part is unquestionable.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
read The flower of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek and learn for yourself about sacred geometry and how it was used in the Great Pyramid and for what purpose.
There's a control of information in this planet, if you haven't noticed.
There's a control of information in this planet, if you haven't noticed.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
They say this kind of things in /pol/?
Then they really took the time to find out what's going on. Nobody has the complete picture as of yet, there are various elements in the equation but I'm glad people are drawing closer to the truth. At least, doing a good job researching, that's my view of the world.
Then they really took the time to find out what's going on. Nobody has the complete picture as of yet, there are various elements in the equation but I'm glad people are drawing closer to the truth. At least, doing a good job researching, that's my view of the world.
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
im the anon from #77 and that is my opinion about your opinion, wich i find a little extravagant, we are not alone but we are not a massive amount of ignorants, keep learning about space and history, dont talk **** on others religions, dont shove your opinion in others face, but feel free to defend yourself, live long and happy, and know, that i as a human being, i hope you to live the 20-60 years left of your live happy, dont stop living life.
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
i think you have a "weird" point of view about our planet. i can tell you that, if they were ETs in the galaxy, we wont be able to see them, at least for some million years, the secret space program doesnt seem too of a good theory, we need to create machines that allow us to live eternal before creating rockets that need to be in space for millions of light years, now, if it is for energy, i would believe the secret space program, as they could make some plans about using all of our solar system resources, ways to travel in space, make new life, and create pods. we are creators as we are destroctus. i cant think of a reason of why something alive from out of this planet would do a negative impact against us one that didnt kill us what is happening in syria is a civil war, where religion got involved. if we arent making progress now that we are at less than a hundred years for making machines to live forever, than damn we could have been a better specie. we could all be living in a free energy/food society, but there would be more crime and less security althoug i dont like capitalism . the UFO topic is being suppresed, because we have more problems involving our planet and our specie to worry about some extraterrestrial entities, global warming is top priority right now, but the next time the media brings out UFO topic, it would be how to comunicate, treat, react and survive if contact where to happen, because humanity will be preparing for leaving this world and entering others, we will be the ETs and we will, in less than 10.000 years, rule over the galaxy if we discover a way to go in a faster way than speedlight, if no multiply the amount of years per 5 million
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
global warming is a hoax. That it is man made, not the change in the climate. It's because of the "new" energy we're receiving which is part of our evolution and liberation of the planet.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
UFOs are both positive and negative ET vehicles and vehicles of the Secret space Program
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
The top-top of the pyramid "to put it in layman's terms, the bosses of the bosses of the illuminati, (even tho now that term serves mostly as an umbrella term to refer to Secret society Luciferians) Are negative extra- terrestrials. The Archons.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
superluminal speeds are possible. not to mention the existence of stargates (wormholes).
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
I don't watch the history channel and have no idea what asimov comics are
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
asimov is a russian bioquimic and a writter. he make a series of stories and comics i think he made the comics, could as well be adaptations of books that described a distant future in witch we use direct solar energy solar panels in the sun , humanoid and giant structures of robots with synth kind of IA and technology for imnortality as a daily basis, he maked the three rules of robotics and marked a path for humanity to follow.
i sayed the history channel **** , because of alien memes
i sayed the history channel **** , because of alien memes
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
Oh. That was probably soft disclosure. He is describing things that supposedly already exist. (The machine getting energy directly from the Sun would be very advanced civilizations)
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
Hahaha
"Of Course we live in a Prison Planet, get over it"
"Of Course we live in a Prison Planet, get over it"
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/06/2016) [-]
Yeah, because random thoughts started appearing in my head and that's how i came up with all of this.
To call yourself delusional when you exit the "official" worldview is a bit... I don't know. Sounds like cult mentality but everyone's in the cult so it's not weird.
To call yourself delusional when you exit the "official" worldview is a bit... I don't know. Sounds like cult mentality but everyone's in the cult so it's not weird.
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shyyguy (01/06/2016) [-] Internet hoaxes can be very convincing sometimes. I read through some of this "Secret Space Program" you talked about in other comments. Almost believable, though it would make a better sci-fi book than an actual worldview. How the official source kept comparing it to "Battlestar Galactica" and "Star Trek" made me realize how much of a fantasy world he is living in, OR how well he is manipulating the foolish people who believe him.
Good luck man.
Good luck man.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
No. That's soft disclosure. Stories have always been made to parallel events of the real world. Project Paperclip is mentioned in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, for example.
you gotta realize these people know of the power the media has. the power of Hollywood to influence and paint the worldview of the masses. There are both positive and negative factions right now trying to use those symbol to either control or free the population.
The Matrix is a great example of this, it uses a movie, a fictitious situation to explain the control syste of our world. As V puts it "an artist uses lies to tell the truth".
you gotta realize these people know of the power the media has. the power of Hollywood to influence and paint the worldview of the masses. There are both positive and negative factions right now trying to use those symbol to either control or free the population.
The Matrix is a great example of this, it uses a movie, a fictitious situation to explain the control syste of our world. As V puts it "an artist uses lies to tell the truth".
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shyyguy (01/08/2016) [-] "Stories have always been made to parallel events of the real world"
Always? No. If that were true, then let's find a couple of lightsabers and go on a quest to destroy the ring. I'll assume you meant "sometimes" for your sake, otherwise you'd be implying that no one has any creativity -- which would contradict your other post(>>#37).
"you gotta realize these people know of the power the media has. the power of Hollywood to influence and paint the worldview of the masses"
I know, which is why I don't get my news from one source and am questioning you so strongly. You very well could be paid by these organizations to 'oversaturate the flow of information' with lies. In fact, it's impossible for anyone to know the truth to almost anything.
You saying "We're all The Creator. We all have creative potential. We're Physical Angels. We're heirs of grace" in that other post(>>#37 again) sounds like something Satan might say to convince me I am 'like god'. So, according to the bible, the end times will be marked by widespread deception. If we are to assume that is correct, you would be a satanist and apart of these 'evil plans'.
>>#189, one the thing: With your perspective, the Discovery channel is also under this evil organization's control. So why are you trusting them? They are likely to be filling your head with lies as well!
Tl;dr: You arguments and logic have holes in them.
Always? No. If that were true, then let's find a couple of lightsabers and go on a quest to destroy the ring. I'll assume you meant "sometimes" for your sake, otherwise you'd be implying that no one has any creativity -- which would contradict your other post(>>#37).
"you gotta realize these people know of the power the media has. the power of Hollywood to influence and paint the worldview of the masses"
I know, which is why I don't get my news from one source and am questioning you so strongly. You very well could be paid by these organizations to 'oversaturate the flow of information' with lies. In fact, it's impossible for anyone to know the truth to almost anything.
You saying "We're all The Creator. We all have creative potential. We're Physical Angels. We're heirs of grace" in that other post(>>#37 again) sounds like something Satan might say to convince me I am 'like god'. So, according to the bible, the end times will be marked by widespread deception. If we are to assume that is correct, you would be a satanist and apart of these 'evil plans'.
>>#189, one the thing: With your perspective, the Discovery channel is also under this evil organization's control. So why are you trusting them? They are likely to be filling your head with lies as well!
Tl;dr: You arguments and logic have holes in them.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
Because there are positive factions and the lower people don't know what the plan is. It could either be that some positive person wanted to talk about those bell aircraft. Oooor, the people who want them secret realized that they had to sacrifice exposing the most obvious and known part of it and say "I know about it. They did have beel aircraft but it never flew properly and everything was confiscated".
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shyyguy (01/08/2016) [-] Or it could be more negative faction propaganda? Anything could be negative or positive faction propaganda. Also, I assume you know that not everything you remote view is reliable, and astral projection as well. If you do that is. With what you were saying, it sounds like you do which is why I thought it important to bring that up.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
It is not. first of ll, your own logic should dictate that if we have a visible Space Program. We're bound to have a hidden aspect of it AT LEAST in which Military Aplication is the goal.
But, we have evidence. From the accounts of whistleblowers, to some historic data. Google the Thule and Vril societies, for example.
But, we have evidence. From the accounts of whistleblowers, to some historic data. Google the Thule and Vril societies, for example.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
The Bible was wrote by those seeking to control humanity.
The concept goes something like this.
imagine you created little soldiers made of dirth, and you wanted to explore their perspective. you have 3 soldiers. You "extend" 3 points of your consciousness and "put it" inside the soldiers.
now they're alive. They are you. It's you but from a smaller perspective. Each one of them would think of themselves as individuals. they wouldn't remember who they are as you. they would have their own experience and point of view.
At the same time, everything that "they" are experiencing, you're experiencing, because it is your own consciousness.
There's only ONE consciousness. One source. And we're all it, having different experiences.
That's why the GOLDEN RULE has always been in all religions "do onto others as you would have done onto you" because they ARE you.
The concept goes something like this.
imagine you created little soldiers made of dirth, and you wanted to explore their perspective. you have 3 soldiers. You "extend" 3 points of your consciousness and "put it" inside the soldiers.
now they're alive. They are you. It's you but from a smaller perspective. Each one of them would think of themselves as individuals. they wouldn't remember who they are as you. they would have their own experience and point of view.
At the same time, everything that "they" are experiencing, you're experiencing, because it is your own consciousness.
There's only ONE consciousness. One source. And we're all it, having different experiences.
That's why the GOLDEN RULE has always been in all religions "do onto others as you would have done onto you" because they ARE you.
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shyyguy (01/08/2016) [-] Plausible, and something I've thought about quite a few times before. Where did you learn this, and do you "believe" faith-based this or do you know it to be an undeniable fact? If undeniable fact, can you prove it with sources rather than your words? Any source/link/book/whatever will be acceptable.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
The sources I could use, I guess would be ancient texts. I think Tibetan buddhists have this experience as well through meditation.
Science hasn't been able to discover consciousness in the brain cause it isn't there. but there hasn't been anyone who has been capable of proving it. How would you prove it?
I guess a way would be through DMT. Check Rick Strassman research. the famous "DMT: The Spirit Molecule".
Another way would be the work of Dr. Michael Newton, who through adanced regression therpy was able to access the memory of the soul and have very different subjects (age, nationality, beliefs) all have report back to him that there's indeed a "life between lives".
That proofs the existence of the soul (but that's consciousness with a light body). i guess you'd have to be in the sessions yourself to KNOW he is telling the truth but, my point is that from my perspective, his research validates what I experienced.
Science hasn't been able to discover consciousness in the brain cause it isn't there. but there hasn't been anyone who has been capable of proving it. How would you prove it?
I guess a way would be through DMT. Check Rick Strassman research. the famous "DMT: The Spirit Molecule".
Another way would be the work of Dr. Michael Newton, who through adanced regression therpy was able to access the memory of the soul and have very different subjects (age, nationality, beliefs) all have report back to him that there's indeed a "life between lives".
That proofs the existence of the soul (but that's consciousness with a light body). i guess you'd have to be in the sessions yourself to KNOW he is telling the truth but, my point is that from my perspective, his research validates what I experienced.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
Well... inone moment, which was the great realization that I'm consciousness, every false layer of who I believed I was was peeled back. I realize I could've been born with different parents, body, circumstances, everything could change in my life, and yet, there'd still be a constant.
The obsession was to find me, me, me (yo). to be with me, actually.
At what point I had stopped thinking of what the other people where thinking about me, which I wanted to stop and a voice in my head said "you've done it. now you've become part of a special group of intellectuals" something along those lines.
BUT, I recognized the trap. I said NO! why must I always need to try and attach myself to something else, bigger, to feel value? I just want to be me, me, me!
And then it was as if I had broken through or become separated from something invisible and felt completely at peace. I realized I was just a point of consciousness. a point of awareness. That was my real nature. Even my mind was not me, it was just an intrument and thoughts colored the experience with different flavors, but it was just the means for my awareness to have an experience.
I walked out the door and returned with my friends and they were all amazed in my change, they told me even tho they didn't really now what happened. Most curiously also, was that now they were fightng for my attention, and I was just sitting there being completely and naturally at peace.I tell oyu you could've cut off my ar and I would've realized it wasn't me so I wouldn't have suffered. Who knows about the pain, but at least I would know it isn't really me and I'm not being destroyed.
I can't. i can't be divided, cut, destroyed, change. i'm infinite and eternal and that's the great mystery. What pure awareness and consciousness actually is.
Another time it was less extreme but I realized the nature of the NOW. tHAT IT IS ALWAYS NOW AND THE NOW IS ALWAYS IN CREATION (caps came on their own). It's always now now now now now now now and just as this points create a line:
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So to it appears that things that aren't moving are still or they aren't changing while the things that move are changing but that's not true, everything is being created anew in the eternal NOW. So, I realized that the ida of me was just a story I was dragging along from now moment to now moment because it wsn't something that was, intrinsically, of the moment. it was something I carried with me, like a girl running with a kite stringed to her arm.
It was curious that that time I immediatly said "oh, it's god that I'm no longer him" referring to being me, because I realized how heavy I had been, all the weight I'd been carrying. Past failures that needed to be set right and lots of stuff.
The obsession was to find me, me, me (yo). to be with me, actually.
At what point I had stopped thinking of what the other people where thinking about me, which I wanted to stop and a voice in my head said "you've done it. now you've become part of a special group of intellectuals" something along those lines.
BUT, I recognized the trap. I said NO! why must I always need to try and attach myself to something else, bigger, to feel value? I just want to be me, me, me!
And then it was as if I had broken through or become separated from something invisible and felt completely at peace. I realized I was just a point of consciousness. a point of awareness. That was my real nature. Even my mind was not me, it was just an intrument and thoughts colored the experience with different flavors, but it was just the means for my awareness to have an experience.
I walked out the door and returned with my friends and they were all amazed in my change, they told me even tho they didn't really now what happened. Most curiously also, was that now they were fightng for my attention, and I was just sitting there being completely and naturally at peace.I tell oyu you could've cut off my ar and I would've realized it wasn't me so I wouldn't have suffered. Who knows about the pain, but at least I would know it isn't really me and I'm not being destroyed.
I can't. i can't be divided, cut, destroyed, change. i'm infinite and eternal and that's the great mystery. What pure awareness and consciousness actually is.
Another time it was less extreme but I realized the nature of the NOW. tHAT IT IS ALWAYS NOW AND THE NOW IS ALWAYS IN CREATION (caps came on their own). It's always now now now now now now now and just as this points create a line:
................................................................................ ............................................
So to it appears that things that aren't moving are still or they aren't changing while the things that move are changing but that's not true, everything is being created anew in the eternal NOW. So, I realized that the ida of me was just a story I was dragging along from now moment to now moment because it wsn't something that was, intrinsically, of the moment. it was something I carried with me, like a girl running with a kite stringed to her arm.
It was curious that that time I immediatly said "oh, it's god that I'm no longer him" referring to being me, because I realized how heavy I had been, all the weight I'd been carrying. Past failures that needed to be set right and lots of stuff.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
Oh. That we're all consciousness? FACT. Experienced it. Came out of it, though. But you can never truly forget it. Like, right now if you cut my hand I'd go into panic because I'd feel I'm dying even tough it's my human mind giving me that experience. At that moment, I swear you could've taken my arm and I'd be cool because i realized that if it can be taken away then it's not me.
That we're all the same one consciousness. at first I felt it. I just new we were all one. when that feeling disappeared I started to think about it and I realized that it made more sense.
It is not something that can be taught. for example, all the people saying "Namaste" that write "it means I honor your divinity" have no ******* clue of what divinity is.
The divine self is the eternal and infinite self. the real one. And it's all of us. Being the peson you're now is like a dream. Like when in Rick and Morty they play the game... "Rob" was it called?
That we're all the same one consciousness. at first I felt it. I just new we were all one. when that feeling disappeared I started to think about it and I realized that it made more sense.
It is not something that can be taught. for example, all the people saying "Namaste" that write "it means I honor your divinity" have no ******* clue of what divinity is.
The divine self is the eternal and infinite self. the real one. And it's all of us. Being the peson you're now is like a dream. Like when in Rick and Morty they play the game... "Rob" was it called?
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
You're an idiot. i can't talk to an idiot. The lightsabers and quest of the ringt are props, you idiot. The essence is the journey. the ring is the representation of power and how it corrupts people.
If you can't understand something so basic then there's no wonder the rest goes over your head.
Eat better and do more exercise and meditate and do emotional work and you'll become more perceptive, maybe it needs cleaning.
If you can't understand something so basic then there's no wonder the rest goes over your head.
Eat better and do more exercise and meditate and do emotional work and you'll become more perceptive, maybe it needs cleaning.
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shyyguy (01/08/2016) [-] It would appear you didn't make it past my first paragraph without getting triggered due to a differing opinion. See here: tinyurl.com/zt7jfve
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
It amazed me because it was a very stupid thing to say. How you mentioned lightsabers and the ring.
Of course i'm not using the matrix to say we're living inside a computer. That's a literal interpretation.
Of course i'm not using the matrix to say we're living inside a computer. That's a literal interpretation.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
It is something that is going on, and it's not just the internet that has given me this information. (BTW, people seem to forget people is free access to ALL types of information. There's truth in it and also a lot of lies that are spread by intelligence agencies in order to muddle the waters. Once you cannot suppress the flow of information you can over-saturate it)
The Nazi Secret Space Program is only a secret in how much it was extended, but the bell-shaped aircraft they had has appeared on the discovery channel. They just didn't go into what they were doing in antarctica, and later how the work ws continued in the US with the nazis brought over through project Paperclip.
The Nazi Secret Space Program is only a secret in how much it was extended, but the bell-shaped aircraft they had has appeared on the discovery channel. They just didn't go into what they were doing in antarctica, and later how the work ws continued in the US with the nazis brought over through project Paperclip.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Actually, universities came to be in medieval times as state-run enterprises that allowed wealthy to gain education that allowed them to pursue positions of greater importance than what apprenticeships allowed.
The base for universities were libraries of church, (more like an inspiration, to have a place to gather, pass and concentrate knowledge) but by the time universities came to be called universities, they were pretty much enterprises independent from church, although theology was one of the subjects taught at all and every single university.
The fact is that Church tried to destroy any knowledge and theories that could potentially shaken the foundation of its teachings.
The base for universities were libraries of church, (more like an inspiration, to have a place to gather, pass and concentrate knowledge) but by the time universities came to be called universities, they were pretty much enterprises independent from church, although theology was one of the subjects taught at all and every single university.
The fact is that Church tried to destroy any knowledge and theories that could potentially shaken the foundation of its teachings.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentica_habita
I forgot to say that Barbarossa was also important but as you can see, the Pope Alexander III also backed up. If it wasn't by him, that wouldn't have been possible.
I forgot to say that Barbarossa was also important but as you can see, the Pope Alexander III also backed up. If it wasn't by him, that wouldn't have been possible.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] No, the Church create the universitas and the popes themselves promoted them. Check it out.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
Well, he isn't entirely wrong though. They burned people for saying that the earth is round and that the sun is the center of our solar system, along with calling stuff like herbology witchcraft.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] Also, I never claimed they didn't "censor" nor "control" knowledge. What I'm saying here is they sure did not want to "suppress" knowledge as a whole. That's retarded.
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nightmarexnxnxnxnx (01/06/2016) [-]
I mean yeah, you are not technically wrong, but most of their so called education extended only mostly on languages, reading writing and theology. Subjects like astrology and just about any knowledge that could threaten the fundamentals of theology were still closely controlled, and ideas and theories of those topics were often called heresy by church.
Oppression and threatening free thinkers is still called suppression of knowledge in my book. I call that censorship.
I mean yeah, you are not technically wrong, but most of their so called education extended only mostly on languages, reading writing and theology. Subjects like astrology and just about any knowledge that could threaten the fundamentals of theology were still closely controlled, and ideas and theories of those topics were often called heresy by church.
Oppression and threatening free thinkers is still called suppression of knowledge in my book. I call that censorship.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] Not at all, even when it wasn't against christian canon, the interest towards eastern medicine and other issues, that may be considered "heretic" by the most purists, growed at a very important rate. The thing is, we tend to consider the society as a monolitic entity and we have to understand that it was not.
I'm not trying to say the Medieval times was a paradise for the free thinking whatsoever, but it was not as oppresive as one could think.
I'm not trying to say the Medieval times was a paradise for the free thinking whatsoever, but it was not as oppresive as one could think.
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arandomanon ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] I might be wrong but I'm almost 100% sure nobody got burned by saying the earth was round. Excommunicated? I believe so. Threatened? Yeah. Burned? I'm almost sure it was not the case.
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
chopping wood increases testosterone.
while not false, it is seems to be anecdotal fact.
ANY activity will boost test.
Any boost is temporary - from hours to a day.
Explosive movements, that require strength and coordination boost the most test, as the brain, overwhelmed with keeping balance/technique tries to compensate signals that would otherwise use brainpower and produce testosterone to boost strength.
You can try this trick to feel more confident anytime you want thanks to increased test (sorry ladies, you can do the ame but effect will be minimal, due to you lacking balls and strong testosterone presence in body)
- do jumping jacks - jump straight up and pull your knees to your chest. repeat 3 sets of 20. Rest few minutes.
You will for the next few hours feel better, stronger, more confident and be more sexually active.
while not false, it is seems to be anecdotal fact.
ANY activity will boost test.
Any boost is temporary - from hours to a day.
Explosive movements, that require strength and coordination boost the most test, as the brain, overwhelmed with keeping balance/technique tries to compensate signals that would otherwise use brainpower and produce testosterone to boost strength.
You can try this trick to feel more confident anytime you want thanks to increased test (sorry ladies, you can do the ame but effect will be minimal, due to you lacking balls and strong testosterone presence in body)
- do jumping jacks - jump straight up and pull your knees to your chest. repeat 3 sets of 20. Rest few minutes.
You will for the next few hours feel better, stronger, more confident and be more sexually active.
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lordofpenis (01/06/2016) [-] Lol as if a 48% increase will make you feel more confident, unless you're hypogondal/central deficit.
The biggest increase in test comes from shooting it up your ventro :^)
The biggest increase in test comes from shooting it up your ventro :^)
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
"A monk"?
No, it was a Muslim.
You always hear that the Muslim world invented math and calculus? Yeah, that was stolen from the old non-muslim greeks and older civs.
No, it was a Muslim.
You always hear that the Muslim world invented math and calculus? Yeah, that was stolen from the old non-muslim greeks and older civs.
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daniboyi ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] of course people who walk much thinks creatively.
Walking, if alone, is boring as **** , kind of figures one would start to entertain themselves with their mind.
Walking, if alone, is boring as **** , kind of figures one would start to entertain themselves with their mind.
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trevanman (01/06/2016) [-]
I wonder if that means that chopping wood will make my beard grow faster
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vonspyder ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-] My Super Group:
Frank Zappa
Mark Knopfler
Jason Newsted
Ringo Starr
Frank Zappa
Mark Knopfler
Jason Newsted
Ringo Starr
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pajamashark (01/06/2016) [-] My god, Newsted and Starr as a rhythm section would be amazing.
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geraltimore (01/06/2016) [-] If the gene to avoid heart disease and strokes is hereditary, the men who hold it could probably make some decent money off their sploosh
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blackoutonetwotwo (01/06/2016) [-] >no.2
And I thank God Attila came in and brought havoc among these radicals long ago.
And I thank God Attila came in and brought havoc among these radicals long ago.
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
My Supergroup
Freddie Mercury
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Paul McCartney
Keith Moon
Freddie Mercury
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Paul McCartney
Keith Moon
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
why does this ******** mention Japan's second oldest hotel/inn???
Nishiyama Onsen Keiunkan apparently is good 12 years older and still operable
Nishiyama Onsen Keiunkan apparently is good 12 years older and still operable
