Yes lets help them in their own country, that worked in the middle east in the past didn't it.

1) Pretty ****** thing to do, m8o
2) While there's a battle royale ******** going on? Any aid we send would be quickly snatched up by IS warlords.
3) Not really realistic without lots of documentation and oversight. Tracking and deporting people is ludicrously expensive and just plain hard to do.

How about chaotic neutral and just getting rid of all of them?

Like, if you just straight up slaughtered all of them? That's Chaotic Evil, breh.

Nah man, deport.

Still arguably Evil in terms of D&D alignment, particularly if you're the last country available. Good to provide benefits (though still Good if you make them meet reasonable qualifications for those benefits) because people are genuinely suffering, Neutral to (selectively) let them in but provide little in the way of benefits, Evil to turn them away completely and knowingly allow them to continue to suffer. That's how I'd rule it.

Well they're not citizens, what do we owe cowards that won't fight back for their own countries?

An absolutist answer to a much more complicated question. It's not just a two-way fight over there any more. IS is rampaging around trying to establish a caliphate, which neither the rebels nor the current regime want. It's chaos, not even a battlefield any more so much as a localized Ragnarok. To say that a bunch of people, many of whom are middle-aged men, women, children, and the elderly, are cowards for not participating in a hyper-violent *********** is a bit ridiculous.

You do know it's mostly grown ass men that have done the deed of getting to Europe, right?

I've seen just as much footage of women, children, kids no older than sixteen, and men with grey beards as I have footage of young adult men. You really believe the propaganda that all 4 million of the people who have fled the conflict are guys in their twenties and thirties? Come on. That's not even realistic. Regardless, it's stupid to just say they should go fight in a meaningless ********* . It's a complete mess that isn't going to be fixed if more high school and college aged kids die in it.

Of course I'm not saying they're all guys in the 20s and 30s but from the things I've read, there are way more grown men in the crowds just wandering by themselves.

And, again, it's stupid to just tell these men to go die in a meaningless conflict that IS has caused to grow completely out of control. What benefit is in that for them? They can't "fight for their country." They country, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists. It's basically one giant warzone. How would they win? How can any side in that conflict actually win? Nobody will surrender, and it's too hard to tell who is or isn't IS.

The video footage of the train station in Germany doesn't really support that, and the only things I've seen that do support what you've read are conservative Youtubers posting old-looking photos of kids on boats that could have been taken at any time, anywhere.

I don't give a **** how "inhumane" it is. They're killing my country's culture, and I will not stand for that. Deport them all at gun point.

Your culture must be **** if a bunch of refugees sitting in tents can destroy it.

Really now? You ******* think these camel jockeys are only just sitting in their tents? TOTALLY NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE. Totally not raping 1.5k children in England. Totally not causing the Swedish rape rate to soar, rivaling that of African countries. Not causing the entire country of Macedonia to go into a state of emergency. Not burning just about every flag they can find of just about every nation trying to help them. They're definitely not causing the ban of outdoor Christmas celebrations in Kruezeberg, Germany. They're definitely not causing the police to step in and separate the Muslims from party goers during Oktoberfest this year for fear of violence. Not shooting up France, not actively converting the European youth, not detonating grenades in Malmo, not causing the Swedish ambulance union to request military equipment for when they enter Islamic areas. No, they're not doing ANY of that. They're just sitting there in their tents, minding their own business. **** you, you cultural cuck.

You're retarded. You can't conflate the actions of obvious terrorists and Muslim extremists with a majority of average folks trying to avoid a war. IS operatives are shooting up France, radical Muslims are raping women in Sweden. The average Syrian didn't trek thousands of miles to cause trouble. The average Syrian is trekking thousands of miles to be able to eat food that isn't poisoned or walk down the road without getting shredded by an IED. If your country had a sudden eruption of civil war and your family had to flee for their lives, the elements that don't want to give you any aid and don't want your family in their country would propagandize the same conflation between you and any negative thing your people have done in the last five years, up to and including incidents from before the civil war, just was elements are propagandizing against the average Syrian refugee. You have to see that. This exact scenario would play out the same way and xenophobic elements would convince somebody just like you to hate you because of the actions of others.

Obviously, as I pointed out in my original post, it isn't as simple as just letting everybody in, either, because of factors like IS infiltrators I mentioned. I said that in the original comment you just ******* replied to like ten minutes ago, so relax before you start throwing around half-assed, edgy labels like "cuck." **** off if you think this issue is as simple as holding guns to the heads of millions of people, the vast majority of which have committed no crimes whatsoever. Obviously, if your view is that black-and-white, world politics are a touch too nuanced for you.

A majority of "average folks" huh? Then why are the vast majority of these immigrants young and able bodied men? Thousands of ISIS insurgents have already made it into Europe because of this horse **** . In fact, ISIS had threatened months ago to send 500,000 over here. It looks to me that they have followed through with their threats. They're all radical Muslims. These are the same kind of Muslim you'll meet in a semi progressive Islamic society like Saudi Arabia. These are 3rd world Muslims that live in poverty, whom have been influenced heavily by ISIS. If the average Syrian actually cared ONLY about safety, he/she would've fled to somewhere a little more close to home like the Caspian nations, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, but no, they decide to come to Europe so they can sit on their asses and do jack **** while my family pays out the nose to care for them **** socialism . My family would not flee because we actually believe in fighting for something that matters. Something that our ancestors have been cultivating, building, and dying over for the past 10,000 years. That's how you make the best of that kind of situation, and to be frank, if these 2 million MEN actually cared about ending the war in Syria, they would've stayed and fought. What I see are a bunch of invaders whom need to leave immediately, at gunpoint if need be.

1. A lot of the footage shows men with silver beards, women, children, and boys in their early teens.
2. Men fleeing almost 100% fatal conditions to find work and support their families is standard in these kinds of situations, so a good portion of the refugees being able-bodied men only makes sense. During their Great Famine, able-bodied Irish men fled to America to find work. The same kind of ************* campaigns we're seeing now were played out against them, and nowadays you'd have to be a psychopath to say that all of them were lazy crybabies.
3. Besides, the only sources I've seen claiming they're all/vast majority men are ******* xenophobic Youtubers showing random, old-looking pictures of Arab guys that could be from anywhere or any time.These are videos being posted here on FJ by people who hold similar views to your own.
4. Countries like Saudi Arabia are turning these people away and poisoning their food. So, naturally, they're going to go to countries that aren't run by heartless, opulent oil barons. So, yes, huge surprise that they would seek out countries that might not try to kill them.
5. The problem with suggesting that they go fight is that this is a fairly unprecedented kind of conflict. It's not just rebels vs. loyalists. IS and other terrorist groups have gotten in on the action and muddled the whole thing into a giant *********** . If they stand and fight, who are they even going to fight against? Even if the rebels oust Assad, now they're dealing with thousands of terrorist insurgents and an actual IS army waiting for a sign of weakness. If Assad crushes the rebels, Syria will still basically be a mess like U.S.-occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. More young men dying in three or four-way battles won't improve Syria, so they are looking for a better life elsewhere.

The media in Europe is completely left wing. They actively search for the most desperate looking people. In fact, that picture of the boy whom washed up on shore was semi faked. They found him on some rocks and moved his body to a more dramatic area. It should not be that way. It should be the elderly, sick, women, and children fleeing. Instead it is overwhelmingly able bodied males. The **** smearing campaigns against the Irish were because of their drunkenness, them taking jobs, and overcrowding in the poor areas. Not because they were terrorists (in the U.S., anyways), not because they were actively trying to convert the culture (quite the opposite, actually), and not because they were screaming racism everywhere they went. There hasn't been an actual head count, yet, but I have seen the buses, and it is difficult to pick out the women, sick, elderly, and children in the crowds. I wonder how long they turn Bavarian cities into a war zone like Lesbos. There are still dozens of other countries that they go through/ can flee to that would treat them like they're humans. If they're really trying to get clean water and food, then why the **** are they throwing it away while they waited in Hungary to be let into Germany? They are economic immigrants, and want nothing other than to live a carefree life. Syria is still their home. They should be fighting to improve their home and make it better. Germany went through two wars where the infrastructure and industrial cities were torn to shreds, and now look at it. If the Syrians truly cared about improving their homeland, I am very certain they could replicate what Germany did.

oh yeah? how much fighting for your country have you had to do?
have you ever even had a gun in your ******* face?

I would assume about as much as the Syrian refugees? Give or take a little.

that's completely irrelevant here

I'm really feeling like nobody is getting my ******* point
that, or they didn't even read the original comment

the dumbass who posted the original comment right
well, he says they're all cowards right
cowards who aren't fighting for their country, right... you following, still?
ok so, like, MY point is... it's big ******* talk for someone to say others should be fighting for their country, right
from the safety and comfort of his ******* home
a home that is probably nice and safe, with ac, food, all nice and lovely
and I'd bet anything, if it came down to it, he'd run and hide like a *coward* if his life was in danger

He did the exact same thing you did.

Yeeeessss, now you see.

that you're a ******* moron, yes

I actually have no opinion in this matter, as it's not affecting me yet . I was just letting you know how silly your first argument was.

silly? because I pointed out that it's real ******* easy for someone to speak from the safety of their home, about others needing to fight?

Because there probably isn't a war going on where he is at. So asking him how much fighting he has done is silly. I'm pretty sure you're baiting me at this point, so I'm just going to stop.

once again, he's a big talker but if it came down to it, he, like most other average citizens, wouldn't know how to fight if their own lives depended on it.

True. When you say "wouldn't know how to fight if their own lives depended on it", I'm assuming you mean fighting for their country and not in a self-defense sort of right, correct?

There are 20 million Syrians, so I'm certain quite a few of them have joined some sort of militia anyway. I know it's not black and white like people on here are saying.

most citizens would not be capable of picking up a gun and fighting
that's what I mean
I get pissed off because as an american, I hear this stupid ******** all the ******* time
people with big ******* mouths saying these countries need to do this or do that
while our own country is a complete joke, and I don't see any of those people fighting to change **** . they sit in their homes eating their slop and watching their tvs and speaking their stupid ass opinions on the internet. and pretending none of this **** is going on.

Aah, I see. I don't have anything more to add to that, so instead I think this might be relevant to "our own country is a complete joke". If only I could remember who said this, because it seems to be true:


A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage

>everyone should fight for their homes and feed the circle of violence
>handouts destroy others lives
jesus man have you been raped by a pack of ******* to come to those conclusions

Nah man. If someone cant fight to defend whats theirs they dont deserve any handouts. or pity. What would you do if people were invading your country? Would you run like a little bitch??

yes because im an unarmed civiliain with no military experience you redneck

Raised by your country, die for your country. That is my motto!

That's cool, though I would refine it by saying you would fight for your people and perhaps other reasons like "freedom" . Saying country would usually include the government, and I know plenty of places where that would be a bad thing to fight for. I hate nationalists anyway.

How dare you?

until it comes down to the whole dying part

"buncha of ******* cowards. Instead of fighting for their homes they want to go get handouts and ruin someone else's". Don't **** with the keyboard warriors I guess

>north-western european

Toplel sweden/norway **** off.
t Estonian

Russians in Estonia still haven't integrated, after 100 years. Yes, I also know as anecdotal evidence a Russian who came here when he was 2 with his mom and integrated really well, doesn't change the fact that loads of people are unable to function because their parents refused to teach them estonian.

About your "Hey let's become a world power", ******* AMERICA, you dumb ********* . ************* settled in on a big island, said **** you to the locals, said **** you to the english trying to control them, said **** you to their lower half being dicks, said **** you to germany trying to take control, said **** you to CCCP trying to take control, now saying **** you to ISIS trying to hurt their business partners, the EU and it's countries.
"I assure you the freeloaders are small"
**** off, this is the exact non-sourced blabber you complain about in the first half of your post, then actually do THE EXACT SAME **** in the other part of your post. Source me some well-adjusted, happy, content immigrants, who fled ISIS and are now on their way to a good, well adjusted life in their chosen country, following that countries ideals, traditions, morals and generally being undistinguishable from the local populus, exept by color of skin.

HARDCORE MODE: Do it without using liberal propaganda sites, or unsourced biast blabber from a tumblr/wordpress/ *************** article.

THE CRUSADER MODE: All of the above, without using anecdotal evidence.

I'm not Scandinavian I'm Dutch.

If Russians don't integrated, deport them.

America could become the super might it is know only because of the power vacuum Europe left behing after we basically made a suicide attempt on ourselves TWICE.

First off, I can't show you people like that who fled ISIS because that's so recent no actual refugees have settled yet. But even if they choose to freeload: In my country you're only entitled to benefits for three months. Admittedly, that time can be extended up to 3 years but only if you prove already have a good history of working. The amount of money you get is also not enough to live a decent live: you're strongly encouraged to look for a job, any job.

Second off: You can expect someone to integrate, learn and adept to a native culture, learn the language and respect our morals. But I wont expect them to lose they're native culture and therefor identity. That's a part of who people are. Does that cullture or identity clash with our culture and morals? Yes, then you can kindly **** off. But as long as they don't bother me, I won't bother them. Oh you know what other country is/used to be known to do the same thing? You're ammazing USA USA example. People there still hold on to the culture of the country they came from. Look at the Italians and the Irish. Not to mention that the US had a MASSIVE part of their population up until 1900 that didn't speak English. German was a giant second language.

So deporting russians is ok, but deporting those immigrants is bad?
America directly helped to stop our "suicide" by giving us means to stop it.

Also, Danes actually have one of the best immigrant policies yet, you take in very little and give them way less benefits than the next country, much less places like Sweden. You are one of the countries to be least worried about, you are fine, but not being actually conforted with the looming threat of crazy policies of doubling the amount of non-local people in your country using immigrants can leave you unaware of the potential **** that they can cause.

Italian ideals and Irish ideals don't clash with USA-s ideals. They can coexist, they only differ by prefrences, such as Italians like X types of food, Irish people like Y types of food, Americans like Z types of food. They don't exclude one another.

Muslims however exclude pork, they systematically harass females by ordering them to wear certain types of clothing, so on. Their culture clashes with ours, and they don't want to change their ideals to fit in. I'm going to refrence this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU You can clearly see none of them are "radical, extremist muslims", they are regular muslims. Regular muslims whose ideals such as sex segregation, drawing their leader being a crime, and a criminal system being in place as described in the quaran, are THEIR ideals, and are directly clashing with our ideals of minimizing segregation exept where it's logical to have a diffrence, freedom of speech and freedom of imitation, criminal system not tied to a holy book and so on. Our ideals, unlike USA vs Irish vs Italian ideals, are mutually exclusive, and can not co-exist in a specific country. That's the issue with immigrants.

If they don't want to integrate? Yes, it's ok to deport them. The same goes for Syrian refugees.

I'm not Danish, I'm Dutch(The Netherlands). If a country does have a threat of such an extreme amount of immigrants looming above them, they should immediatly change their policy. I'm not asking western countries to put aside everything they have for these people. I'm asking them to a decent human being and to assume that the average human is good natured. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't stay vigilant for those that do want to exploit our welfare system or change our country. I've got no respect for those people. But users on this site are just assuming every refugee is like that.

They don't clash because they've integrated. You think there was no cultural clash when the extremly catholic Irish or Italians settled in the mostly protestand USA?

1) They don't eat pork
I really don't see how this is a problem. Should we ban vegatarians as well?
2) They systematically harass females by ordering them to wear certain types of clothing.
If you're talking about western women, that simply horse **** . Even of that does happen, who would actually do that? There's radical christian party in my country who from time to time proposes to ban homosexuals from participating in politics. But noone takes them seriously. If muslims really wanted to change my country so badly, where's their political party?

Noone calls himself a radical. People always assume they're in the right. Why are those people at that conference? What kind of conference is it? Sorry but just because they say that they view themselves as normal is not enought to convince me.

Up until 40 years ago, a lot of the things you cite would clash with our country, were propogated by Dutch people themselves. Things like sex segregation or basing punishment on a holy script. This was not uncommon.

If met a ton of muslims in my live. I've never been in a class without at least one. Hell in my current one there's one who's half-muslim half-jewish. They differed a lot in how seriously they took their religious teaching(just like al the christians I've met). Some of them did not eat pork or drink alcohol. Others did. But never have I met one who would force other around him to follow the same believes he did.
If you're talking about western women, that's simply horse **** . Even if that

Good we agree on deportation.

My bad, mixed you up, but yeah, you are fine because you are thinking logically. Unlike Sweden, that is taking in immigrants despite lacking everything they need, from housing to a job. Sweden doesn't have any more jobs, even the jobs people cite to be "bad" and "that only immigrants would take". Guess what, they are taken, yet Sweden wants to take another 100k immigrants. I'm not assuming every refugee is like that, only that 30% of them are like that, and if 30% of the population are lazy leeches than it's allready too much. 30% unemployment rate? 30% wellfare queen rate? **** no.
It's not about Muslims not eating it, it's about them forcing others not to eat it aswell. Irishmen personally and quietly practiced catholic beliefs in their own homes or private areas, while realizing that most of the outside world is protesntant, and didn't want to change it because THEY came there, they weren't forced to move there. They could practice their ideals in peace, and the Americans can practice their own religion all over their country, because it is THEIR country, their word is law, their rules are law.

Muslims do want to change the place they come to, just because they came there. Like the incident of them wanting to live in a 5-star hotel for free, just because they came there. The irishmen fled the potato famine, settled in america, continued their practices in private, while otherwise being a typical american. Muslims fled the war, and are now saying that the countries that house them need to ban pork from public sale, because they say so. They say that women need to wear a burka, because they say so. Their word is still law in their eyes, while it isn't. I visited Turkey, I was never expecting to be served bacon there, and if I went to protest to the hotel that there wasn't any pig meat in the menu I'd just be told to leave. And now muslims think they have the right to complain when we DO serve pig. They are going against our freedom of eating what we wish. Just because they don't eat pig doesn't mean we have to take pig off our menu. Same with vegetarians, anyone who claims meat shouldn't be eaten by anyone gets shut down by people who like meat, and they can't play the race card so their complaints are ignored. About wanting sex segregation or holy scripture punishment, they were denied, because it is stupid. Why are we now accepting muslims who are saying the EXACT SAME THING?

About nobody calling themselves a radical, ISIS does it, I do it, people do it. Those weren't radicals. Those were average muslims.

The muslim communities actively seek to change the daily lives of everyone living in the same country as them to fit the rules of the "Caliphate", witch comes with things such as discrimination against women (And I'm speaking actual discrimination, like lack of human rights discrimination, not 3rd wave feminism discrimination AKA having a dick and pointing out facts discrimination), banning of pork, and killing people over a drawing of someone. This is censoring free speech, and a drain to personal rights.

Also, your anecdotal evidence about knowing some well-adjusted muslims doesn't justify the thousands of barbaric ********* flooding our borders and wanting to be treated like kings.

You are speaking from My Soul mate. I'm german-syrian and it makes me really sad that there are so many keyboard warriors which declared themselves patriots or whatever and spread this ******** here. The worst part is though, that so many people seem to agree. And this post with all it's ******** takes the cake. I'm out. Loved the site when I came here. OC comics, some reposts here and there sure, but I had a good laugh every time I came here. Now I have to click through 20 right ******** posts to find something that isn't "fuk those *********** , I hope they go to Auschwitz". Luckily here in Germany, right wing is laughed upon by 95% of the population, since their stupidity is limitless and the ******** that comes from their mouth is simply too hilarious to be true. And these fools here are just as much a vocal minority who somehow have to make themselves feel better about their ****** life by calling people which wandered 2 months through the desert and mountains in the summer " lazy". So yeah peace out FunnyJunk, hope you racist **** wake up one day, otherwise rot in hell.

-nass

Yeah, you said exactly what I was thinking. People here have become ******* autists with no regard for other people. Its like being on ******* /pol/ half the time here.

Because FJ has given in to a loud minority, just like we whine about on Tumblr.

Its good to see that some people still can think for themselves, rather than just going straight to racism or xenophobia.

Funny how the Europeans seem to forget thatn not 100 years ago, all of these arguments were being made against groups, like you mention, the Irish.

Europe just HAPPENS to be on top for the moment, and its going to ******* end soon. Do we want to be remembered as kind, intelligent people, or people who despite the best education, wealth and decades of peace were selfish assholes?

/rant

Imagine how this **** feels for us Swede's. Over 50% of Swedes wants to stop immigration but the government has stopped caring what the public wants and does the complete opposite. So much for democracy. Our entire infrastructure is clearly falling apart but if you talk about it you are branded "RACIST" even if it is a matter of society that has nothing to do with race. Guess who will become a refugee them self in the future... Sweden will very likely see a severe decrease of Swedes in the future, and generally people who have an income actually. The people who feed all of this **** involuntarily.

I heard it's become socially unacceptable to raise Swedish flags in schools in Sweden.
That really sounds like some imaginary scenario a comedian would come up with, but is it actually happening?
While that's terrible, I just can't help but laugh at how absurd it is lol.

Some schools have banned the Swedish flag, but it is not the norm however. It is more common however to ban the Swedish National Anthem as some consider it Nationalistic for this line:
"Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden"
Which translates to:
"Yes, I want to live and die in the north." (More specifically Scandinavia, as in the northern part of Europe.)

Hey, if they don't want to live and die there, why are they there then?

Leeching on welfare. Illegal immigrants receive rights that neither legal or other citizens receive. The ones I am most mad at is not the immigrants, but my completely incompetent and ignorant government.

Yeah, but I'm saying if they don't want that part in the song, they're admitting that they don't want to live there, so people have the right to send them back.

Fair point ;)

I mean; it is profitable to go to Sweden, receive welfare and then send money back home. Just being in Sweden is profitable...

come to australia mate

you guys have some of these nice fellas down there too. ( ͡º ͜ل͜ º)

youre welcome in america or canada swede bro, its got all the comforts of your frozen home without the "refugees".

I either stay here and get ****** by society or go to NA and get ****** by companies... Sorry, but neither sounds good to my ears. USA is even no longer classified as a Democracy and is instead classified as an oligarchy www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 even though the American government will refuse to admit so. Who could have guessed... Canada is slowly transforming to USA, so that is also of the list. Also as I am a internet power user the entire NA is crossed out. **** connections, artificial data caps and a regional grid monopoly. How are you not protesting against that?

"treat refugees like this"
What? Letting them walk freely from country to country?
It's not like they're shooting the refugees for trespassing, they're just complaining about the situation.

Except they do not try to get a job, they do not try to learn the language.
They will claim they have PTSD from fleeing the war, and get away with leeching off the government for years and years. It's what's been happening in Northern Europe for the last 30 years, although it's now it's escalating.

I love how this actually is written how Rick would say something like this.

I'm not, I want the lazy ******* out of the UK.

Neat-O
Was pretty obvious and the /pol/ just keep shouting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MUH 8.000.00.0 gorillion bazillion
thank god that in reality they're wrong (pol is pretty much just full of **** isn't it)

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**Spitfirex rolled image**i think that's the problem