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User avatar #102 - gammajk (03/06/2014) [+] (11 replies)
Calling ******** on some of these.

- The first one. There most are not 2.5 million deaths each year from shooting in self defense.
- The negative correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate is a VERY slight negative correlation. It is not safe to say "the more guns there are, the less murders there will be".

- The entire section of "cops vs citizens" is pure ******** . First of all, just what exactly is "error rate"? Number of people shot that are "innocent"? I highly doubt that 1 out of every 10 people shot by the police are innocent. And if that is true, maybe it's because the police make an effort to detain the person instead of just shooting them.
Second, the "average deaths of a shooting rampage" is also complete **** . You can go ahead and look at lists of rampage killers in the US and see how they ended - the vast majority of them ended by the shooter committing suicide. I have no idea how they arrived at the "14.3 average deaths" figure when there are hardly any over 14 that ended with the shooter being killed by the police. I can also find barely any over 2 that were stopped by an armed citizen. There is absolutely no way to determine those two figures.
Third, you can't ONLY compare how many criminals they killed each year, you have to take into account how many criminals were detained by the police where firearms were involved.

tl;dr this entire thing is biased as **** and much of it is just plain ******** . I'm all for gun ownership, but you don't have to make **** up to get your point across.
#96 - lolelephant (03/06/2014) [+] (39 replies)
Britfag here and I would rather be shot then stabbed, beaten with a improvised weapon or beaten to death by some one unarmed. Just my preference :/
User avatar #95 - pixmantle (03/06/2014) [-]
If I love anything about FJ, it's that the content is one side of the story, and the comments are a dozen others.
#59 - anonymous (03/05/2014) [-]
Correlation doesn't imply causation. just sayin'
User avatar #35 - foreveryuno (03/05/2014) [+] (3 replies)
So America has ****** cops, so they let civilians to do the dirty job. Good job, America.
#27 - anonymous (03/05/2014) [-]
DID YOU KNOW THAT
1) countries in africa are more **** then first world countries?

2)
with just 1 exception every mass shooting in the Us has taken place where it is illegal to kill people



WAKE UP SHEEPLE
#26 - africanserialdaddy (03/05/2014) [-]
Wait WTF Finland is on the list? That surprised me really!
#11 - anonymous (03/05/2014) [-]
Statistics for the win.
#10 - anonymous (03/05/2014) [+] (2 replies)
The government is going to take away your guns because none of you fat retards let anyone be moderate or neutral about your metal pill launchers, so nobody with a brain wants to defend you. If you think a slight increase in gun control might be useful to keep the gun trade more easily regulated, you're supporting people that want to take away anything that even remotely looks like a weapon to "protect the children". If you think easing back on existing gun control laws might be necessary to prevent infringing on civil liberties, you're supporting people that want to literally make owning a weapon an obligation and completely disarm valuable police departments to "prevent tyranny".

And whether you like it or not, statistics are not a trump card, because they can always be used to prove either side of an argument. Argue on reasoning.

Or better yet, POST SOMETHING FUNNY and go back to Facebook if you want to post political propaganda.
User avatar #93 - richardstiffy (03/06/2014) [-]
Whenever I look at stats, I know I'm going to hate it. Stats don't mean anything really. They can be argued either way. Most "self-defense" gun crimes could be argued otherwise, just look at George Zimmerman. And comparing the United States to Honduras? Really? Look at this **** an argue otherwise:

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/schoo-shooting-how-do-u-s-gun-homicides-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/

Regardless, I think it's a citizens right to own a gun and protect himself with said weapon. But still... ******* statistics.

Instead of banning, barring, and taking, we should be teaching/promoting safety, mental health checks, training, and moderation/limitations. That applies to all things! Food, entertainment, guns, etc! Teach people, educate them, progress society while keeping your rights. Don't offer meaningless statistics and anti-reform.
User avatar #88 - solareyes (03/06/2014) [-]
CRIME control not GUN control
#99 - comradewinter ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
I just love these pro-gun plaques. They're so biased it's simply hilarious.

Saying the murder rate is lower in the US than in Honduras is just top kek. One is a well-established state with possibilites for the vast majority, another is a ****** country where you can't pull out your wallet without getting shanked. It's like refusing Jews freedom of speech and justifying it by saying "At least we're not Hitler". You could compare the datas to Norway, where the gun ownership rate is high, but it's purely hunting shotguns that are useless for any combat purpose. We also have the lowest murder rate in the world. Not because of our gun policies, but because our country doesn't have a violent culture.

It's also little comfort saying you possess 3/6 of the worst school shootings, and then compare it to an entire continent. Also, the source of this is biased; only 2 of the 6 worst were in Europe, the other in Palestine, and one of them was hosted by a pro-Chechen terrorist group. Giving the civilians weapons wouldn't help much against automatic rifles.

Guns will of course chase off mass murderers and other criminals alike, but most murders happen on impulse, which is why it's better to not have a gun in your holster when someone wrongs you.

That being said, the murder rate in the US is due to ****** policies and culture, not because of gun ownership. The US would be better served trying to get ends to meet, rather than oppsing groups to each other.



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