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#300 - icameheretotroll
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(11/11/2013) [-]
I don't think you understand the concept of equality
#275 - keybladewarrior
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Like all of the comments in the comment section, it ain't about being the same. It's about giving the same to everyone. You can't give a black guy nothing because you don't like him. You can't make the white girl your slave because you think she belongs in the kitchen. Freedom for everyone, freedom for all.
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#273 - yosephiab
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Well i think we are all different but still equals.
#263 - selfdenyingbeggar
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Equability and union come from difference, that's the paradox.

If you had a puzzle and all pieces where the same, you couldn't create anything.

If you feel that everyone must be the same then people lash at each other because of their differences. When you come from a place that knows every piece as different from the other, then you have acceptance for all the different pieces and you don't judge (compare).
#264 to #263 - paradox
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no i am paradox
#254 - satansatan
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"Equality" isn't about being the ******* same kind of people, it's about having the same opportunities in life...
#236 - thelocksmith
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who ever said people cant be different, people cant be better than someone else in a particular field? equality is about being treated equally!! your post makes no sense OP you are just pointing out the obvious fact that people differ.
#232 - lordraine ONLINE
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The point of equality is that we acknowledge that people are not equal but articulate that we should none the less treat everyone equally. Men are physically stronger than women on broad average, but that doesn't mean men are the master sex destined to rule all. Certain racial and social demographics score higher and perform better in academia, but that doesn't mean we should start drawing lines and cutting college scholarships based on those lines, because that would be unfair.

Whoever made this, and everyone that is agreeing with it, is rather missing the point of the actual idea of equality. We say that everyone is equal in standing because of the principle of universal fairness, and the idea that we do not know enough to be fit to judge. To claim otherwise is to begin walking a path that can only lead to discrimination of one sort or another, be it against race, sex, genetics, or other innate characteristics like personality.
#324 to #232 - articulate
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I don't think we can ever have true gender equality unless we get rid of all separation. Like with racial segregation, separate is inherently unequal. I don't think we could handle unisex everything though.
#156 - naroemcgarson
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to Americans equality is supposed to mean that everyone has the same rights. Unfortunately you are correct now days it is all ********. (he has something I don't, why don't I have it am I not equal?) what they don't say is that the other guy worked his ass off for it or made smart investments, and that the speaker has the exact same right to work his own ass off or or make smart investments in order to get what he wants.
#155 - roflerman
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There are two different things that they teach kids these days in public schools.
1. Support and respect the fact that people are diverse and have different qualities/beliefs/sexual orientation/race etc.
2. Treat others equally AS IN treat those with different qualities/beliefs/sexual orientation/race etc. with just as much respect and to give them the same rights as you would yourself or any other person you respected.
The point of "equality" is not to denigrate the fact that others are different than you. It's to accept those people for their differences.
#136 - Sinless
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That's modern equality.

The struggle for equality of old was for equal rights and opportunity, not petty difference. We live in a day of the outcomes of that struggle: women have mostly equal rights, blacks are encroaching on the dawn of equal opportunity, and immigrants have garnered much more respect than before.

When you think of equality, you shouldn't think of the modern brand of "equality" that argues every difference. Rather, think of equal freedom. The freedom the country was founded on. An accurate representation of inequality would the refusal of gays to marry or adopt.
#138 to #136 - wellhungmonkey
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I think it's not completely that the definition of equality has changed that much, I think it's that we search for equality these days instead of fairness. Equality is everyone gets the same thing. Fair is everyone gets what they need/deserve. Pick related (left is equality, right is fairness)
#153 to #138 - Sinless
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The definition may not have changed much, but I think people's perception of the word has.

In all the past great struggles, people sought equality because they were denied freedom as humans. All those past great struggles had a common theme: this social group doesn't deserve the same freedom that that social group. In the modern society, most people have that freedom so they don't understand exactly what it is to be inequal.

But I see you point with fairness; a measure of equality would come with absolute fairness. But the issue becomes how do you accurately ascertain who deserves more and who doesn't? It becomes much more difficult to apply that to everyone, when equality is more simple to implement.

#143 to #138 - solarisofcelestia ONLINE
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But isn't that the kind of thinking that makes people claim they're entitled to certain privileges simply because of their race, gender, etc?
#111 - nucularwar
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(11/11/2013) [-]
You have no idea what "equality" means. People are different from each other, but that doesn't make any person any less than anyone else just based on their born differences.
#109 - doctorhorrible
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(11/11/2013) [-]
Well we are all Equal....when were dead....
#127 to #109 - SILENCEnight
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**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #56 at PS-Snore vs X-Bone One ** Well not really, some of us gets treated like kings and be buried under a million dollar tombstone while some of us are thrown out into the sewer. But eventually we will become dust yes.
#129 to #127 - doctorhorrible
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doesn't change the fact that your dead
#131 to #129 - SILENCEnight
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**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #696445 at Video Games Board - console gaming, pc vs console gaming, video console and games ** No it doesn't, but so what? The point is that even at death, some people will be treated differently than others.
**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #696445 at Video Games Board - console gaming, pc vs console gaming, video console and games ** No it doesn't, but so what? The point is that even at death, some people will be treated differently than others.
#86 - grandreddragon
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Every man being created is equal is derived from John Locke's Law of Nature and how it applies to everyone, not that you and I are the exact same. Maybe before you criticize what the media makes you believe, you should do you own research to what it actually means.
#61 - komandantmirkoo
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(11/11/2013) [-]
equal rights =/= everyone equal
#46 - bushingenna
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(11/10/2013) [-]
I agree with everything accept race. We invented that concept. The only human race out there is called human.

And people are preaching for equal RIGHTS. Obviously we have differences, but people should have the same freedom.
#54 to #46 - anon
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No, faggot, there are many different races. This "only race is the human race" **** is the worst idea I've every heard. We are all different, and unique. As a society, we should embrace these differences in culture and celebrate them. Every race is equal and should be treated as such, but we are not all categorized under one race. Shut up.
#57 to #54 - bushingenna
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Identifying someone as a different race is what starts racism. Black skin? Still human. African decent? Thats the cultural difference.
#63 to #57 - kanedam
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racism is stating one race is superior/inferior to another.
saying black people ar black, and white people are white isnt racist.
#66 to #63 - bushingenna
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i never said it was.
#67 to #66 - kanedam
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maybe i mistook it...

somehow seemed that way to me.
identifying someone as a different race is what starts racism.
i thought you meant its racist to see a black or asian or white person and know they are black, asian, white...
#64 to #46 - anon
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There are however different human species. Just like the black and brown squirrel, Blacks and Whites and Asians have very different physical and mental qualities. We are not the same and it is natural for different species to fight. To deny this is to remain ignorant
#94 to #64 - anon
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flynn effect
#65 to #46 - kanedam
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you know that there are different traits with the different races?
its not an invention that different races are different... its not an invented concept to see a white man and know he's white and then to see a black man and realise there is some difference!

also in a lot of scientific fields it is simply beeing accepted (especially in medicine, because there are differences that are important and need to be taken into concern when treating people so they dont have the luxury to act all political correct and say there are no races... if they acted that way people might suffer.)
#84 to #65 - Shiny
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Technically, people aren't genetically varied enough to classify people as clear cut subspecies, and even when individuals are, the differences are usually just relics of our ancestors' histories.
#87 to #84 - kanedam
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But among dogs, which are well known for their hybrid (or mongrel) varieties, different breeds can mate and have viable offspring, so they are all found under the umbrella of a single species, Canis familiaris.

i'm not quite sure how to say it in english since i'm not a native speaker.
the word "race" in my language is the same for "breeds" and "race". so the term fits perfectly to the different human "breeds". they can have offspring, they are genetically very close but still have different traits and clearly different paths of descendents.

And to keep my analogy with the dogs: you also know that different breeds share different medical problems (of course a lot are the same) but you know for example that the german shepard has a much higher likeness to have troublem withthe waist than the husky, where the husky needs more movement to stay healty.
(with humans black populations for example have a higher risk of sickle sell anaemia than white people.)
#88 to #87 - Shiny
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Dogs are extremely more genetically varied than humans, in fact, people are some of the least genetically varied organisms around. Differences in medical needs require very, very little difference in genetic makeup, we're talking like one recessive gene.
#91 to #88 - kanedam
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its exactly the other way round...
different dogbreeds are genetically closer to each other than two humans from different ethnics. for humans it's around 0,1% of the genome that is different, in dogs its just a few hundred (mainly 70) genomes that are different that result in such a wide spread of different breeds.
the only reason the word "race" isn't used is because of political reasons. anthropologues clearly use and state that there are races among humans.
also as stated before, medicine sees them differently (meaning in some ways they need different treatments too, and the anatomy is different. from simple visible traits down to cellular construction of the body)

but even if you ignore all that: are you seriously saying that everyone is equal...? or that there is no difference between the different ethnics of humans? (not meaning every single one from a race is different, but the average has clearly a different trait than the average of another race.)
#93 to #91 - Shiny
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I'm afraid I can't take the top paragraph seriously, since my experience is completely different. The reason people are so genetically invaried between individuals is because there are so many genomes, not in spite. That is how probability works. Dogs have such drastic differences because each of their genomes has a much more profound impact on complete genetic makeup.

Remember that it's the prevalcence of these differences that matter.

And no, I have already contended the opposite, that is a strawman. Obviously people of the same ethnicity are usually genetically similar, but it is also completely possible to be more genetically similar to others of different races than to others of the same.
#95 to #93 - kanedam
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i am not quite sure what you meant in the first paragraph...
do you mean humans have so much more genomes than dogs?

and may i ask, where do you got the information from that dogs are so much more varied than humans?

but to the last sentence: its true, people from different races can be closer than people from the same race. thats true.
#96 to #95 - Shiny
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By varied I meant between individuals, figured that was implied. I thought it was silly to bring up social races since even if we were somehow so genetically bland that there were literally no subspecies among us, we'd still be more genetically similar to those who look like us on average.
#99 to #96 - kanedam
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ok now i am really confused. lol, sorry...

did you mean two people of the same species (two whites, two blacks, etc) and not two eprson from different races (one white, one black) when you were talking about variation because you assumed that people that look more alike (whites, blacks, asians, etc) would of course be more genetically different?
#100 to #99 - Shiny
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I'm a bit confused here, too.
#101 to #100 - kanedam
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the two of us...
the two of us...
#122 to #101 - Shiny
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Well, I'm sure you got my point.
#123 to #122 - kanedam
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nope i didnt... i think.
or at least i'm not sure...
#124 to #123 - Shiny
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Oh well.
#47 to #46 - icefried
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race =/= species
race =/= species
#48 to #47 - bushingenna
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you know what i mean though
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#41 - lilgeo
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I have some ideas of how we can create equality, but we need to fix the constitution.
#6 - atomicman
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One of the reasons I think democracy is dumb.

Why makes humans so superior? Their intellect. Are we doing well currently? No(killing ourselfs at massive rates. And soon overpopulation will be a problem. Not to mention the world food problem.).
So what do we need? People capable of saving us. Which people? Intellectual people, as that is what makes us humans better thna other organisms on our planet.

We're different, some people should have more rights on some grounds and some on others. The whole equality thing is just plain stupid.
#21 to #6 - anon
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Intellectual people are by no means good people. Also, we're doing ******* great at the moment. Deaths from war are literally the lowest they have ever been, disease is at an all time low and we don't torture each other every five minutes. The progress we made in 200 years is unprecedented. We live in the golden age, son, and a large part of that is equality of opportunity. Nobody is saying the 2342 stone whale is as fast as Usain Bolt. We're saying if the whale wants to work hard and train then they can by all means try and be that fast.
#22 to #21 - atomicman
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We aren't doing even remotely great. If you think we live in a golden age you're ignorant behond comprehension. You can't deny so many people are suffering every single second that goes by, we can't deny that overpopulation will soon claim the lives of thousands a week.

I think the world food problem and world energy problem *might* be solved in time. But the fact that overpopulation will become a problem, and that research generally goes way slower than it should be is not to be denied.

Clever people don't have to be better people(?). I've no clue how you came up with that.I just said you must let people do what they excel at, and clever people excel at organising things generally. Democracy allows 'huhuhuh he has a funny beard'-voters to vote aswell, which in my book is dumb.
#1 - shitposts
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Has it ever occurred to you that people fight and preach equality not because they want people to ignore physical traits, but instead make sure these traits does not make it so that some people are treated unfairly or unjust. equality is not about ignoring that someone is fat or fit, it's about making sure both the fat and fit get's the same opportunities regardless of their form.
#150 - Fronk
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(11/11/2013) [-]
Well The idea of Having Basic Human rights should be equal for every race, gender, and Intellectual.
#3 - schnizel
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I agree.