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User avatar #300 - icameheretotroll (11/11/2013) [-]
I don't think you understand the concept of equality
#275 - keybladewarrior (11/11/2013) [-]
Like all of the comments in the comment section, it ain't about being the same. It's about giving the same to everyone. You can't give a black guy nothing because you don't like him. You can't make the white girl your slave because you think she belongs in the kitchen. Freedom for everyone, freedom for all.
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#242 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
Equal opportunity, not equal treatment. ******* .
User avatar #236 - thelocksmith (11/11/2013) [-]
who ever said people cant be different, people cant be better than someone else in a particular field? equality is about being treated equally!! your post makes no sense OP you are just pointing out the obvious fact that people differ.
#232 - lordraine ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
The point of equality is that we acknowledge that people are not equal but articulate that we should none the less treat everyone equally. Men are physically stronger than women on broad average, but that doesn't mean men are the master sex destined to rule all. Certain racial and social demographics score higher and perform better in academia, but that doesn't mean we should start drawing lines and cutting college scholarships based on those lines, because that would be unfair.

Whoever made this, and everyone that is agreeing with it, is rather missing the point of the actual idea of equality. We say that everyone is equal in standing because of the principle of universal fairness, and the idea that we do not know enough to be fit to judge. To claim otherwise is to begin walking a path that can only lead to discrimination of one sort or another, be it against race, sex, genetics, or other innate characteristics like personality.
#324 to #232 - articulate ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
I don't think we can ever have true gender equality unless we get rid of all separation. Like with racial segregation, separate is inherently unequal. I don't think we could handle unisex everything though.
User avatar #228 - thedutchs (11/11/2013) [-]
We aren't equal, but we deserve equal oppertunities.

#218 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
Multi culti is a totalitarian idea!
#220 to #218 - itsbendingtime ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
multiculturalism does not work.
User avatar #156 - naroemcgarson (11/11/2013) [-]
to Americans equality is supposed to mean that everyone has the same rights. Unfortunately you are correct now days it is all ******** . (he has something I don't, why don't I have it am I not equal?) what they don't say is that the other guy worked his ass off for it or made smart investments, and that the speaker has the exact same right to work his own ass off or or make smart investments in order to get what he wants.
User avatar #155 - roflerman (11/11/2013) [-]
There are two different things that they teach kids these days in public schools.
1. Support and respect the fact that people are diverse and have different qualities/beliefs/sexual orientation/race etc.
2. Treat others equally AS IN treat those with different qualities/beliefs/sexual orientation/race etc. with just as much respect and to give them the same rights as you would yourself or any other person you respected.
The point of "equality" is not to denigrate the fact that others are different than you. It's to accept those people for their differences.
User avatar #136 - Sinless (11/11/2013) [-]
That's modern equality.

The struggle for equality of old was for equal rights and opportunity, not petty difference. We live in a day of the outcomes of that struggle: women have mostly equal rights, blacks are encroaching on the dawn of equal opportunity, and immigrants have garnered much more respect than before.

When you think of equality, you shouldn't think of the modern brand of "equality" that argues every difference. Rather, think of equal freedom. The freedom the country was founded on. An accurate representation of inequality would the refusal of gays to marry or adopt.
#138 to #136 - wellhungmonkey (11/11/2013) [-]
I think it's not completely that the definition of equality has changed that much, I think it's that we search for equality these days instead of fairness. Equality is everyone gets the same thing. Fair is everyone gets what they need/deserve. Pick related (left is equality, right is fairness)
User avatar #153 to #138 - Sinless (11/11/2013) [-]
The definition may not have changed much, but I think people's perception of the word has.

In all the past great struggles, people sought equality because they were denied freedom as humans. All those past great struggles had a common theme: this social group doesn't deserve the same freedom that that social group. In the modern society, most people have that freedom so they don't understand exactly what it is to be inequal.

But I see you point with fairness; a measure of equality would come with absolute fairness. But the issue becomes how do you accurately ascertain who deserves more and who doesn't? It becomes much more difficult to apply that to everyone, when equality is more simple to implement.

User avatar #143 to #138 - solarisofcelestia (11/11/2013) [-]
But isn't that the kind of thinking that makes people claim they're entitled to certain privileges simply because of their race, gender, etc?
User avatar #111 - nucularwar (11/11/2013) [-]
You have no idea what "equality" means. People are different from each other, but that doesn't make any person any less than anyone else just based on their born differences.
#109 - doctorhorrible (11/11/2013) [-]
Well we are all Equal....when were dead....
#127 to #109 - SILENCEnight (11/11/2013) [-]
**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #56 at PS-Snore vs X-Bone One ** Well not really, some of us gets treated like kings and be buried under a million dollar tombstone while some of us are thrown out into the sewer. But eventually we will become dust yes.
User avatar #129 to #127 - doctorhorrible (11/11/2013) [-]
doesn't change the fact that your dead
#131 to #129 - SILENCEnight (11/11/2013) [-]
**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #696445 at Video Games Board - console gaming, pc vs console gaming, video console and games ** No it doesn't, but so what? The point is that even at death, some people will be treated differently than others.
**SILENCEnight rolled a random image posted in comment #696445 at Video Games Board - console gaming, pc vs console gaming, video console and games ** No it doesn't, but so what? The point is that even at death, some people will be treated differently than others.
User avatar #46 - bushingenna (11/10/2013) [-]
I agree with everything accept race. We invented that concept. The only human race out there is called human.

And people are preaching for equal RIGHTS. Obviously we have differences, but people should have the same freedom.
#47 to #46 - icefried (11/10/2013) [-]
race =/= species
race =/= species
User avatar #48 to #47 - bushingenna (11/10/2013) [-]
you know what i mean though
#65 to #46 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
you know that there are different traits with the different races?
its not an invention that different races are different... its not an invented concept to see a white man and know he's white and then to see a black man and realise there is some difference!

also in a lot of scientific fields it is simply beeing accepted (especially in medicine, because there are differences that are important and need to be taken into concern when treating people so they dont have the luxury to act all political correct and say there are no races... if they acted that way people might suffer.)
User avatar #84 to #65 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
Technically, people aren't genetically varied enough to classify people as clear cut subspecies, and even when individuals are, the differences are usually just relics of our ancestors' histories.
#87 to #84 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
But among dogs, which are well known for their hybrid (or mongrel) varieties, different breeds can mate and have viable offspring, so they are all found under the umbrella of a single species, Canis familiaris.

i'm not quite sure how to say it in english since i'm not a native speaker.
the word "race" in my language is the same for "breeds" and "race". so the term fits perfectly to the different human "breeds". they can have offspring, they are genetically very close but still have different traits and clearly different paths of descendents.

And to keep my analogy with the dogs: you also know that different breeds share different medical problems (of course a lot are the same) but you know for example that the german shepard has a much higher likeness to have troublem withthe waist than the husky, where the husky needs more movement to stay healty.
(with humans black populations for example have a higher risk of sickle sell anaemia than white people.)
User avatar #88 to #87 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
Dogs are extremely more genetically varied than humans, in fact, people are some of the least genetically varied organisms around. Differences in medical needs require very, very little difference in genetic makeup, we're talking like one recessive gene.
#91 to #88 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
its exactly the other way round...
different dogbreeds are genetically closer to each other than two humans from different ethnics. for humans it's around 0,1% of the genome that is different, in dogs its just a few hundred (mainly 70) genomes that are different that result in such a wide spread of different breeds.
the only reason the word "race" isn't used is because of political reasons. anthropologues clearly use and state that there are races among humans.
also as stated before, medicine sees them differently (meaning in some ways they need different treatments too, and the anatomy is different. from simple visible traits down to cellular construction of the body)

but even if you ignore all that: are you seriously saying that everyone is equal...? or that there is no difference between the different ethnics of humans? (not meaning every single one from a race is different, but the average has clearly a different trait than the average of another race.)
User avatar #93 to #91 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
I'm afraid I can't take the top paragraph seriously, since my experience is completely different. The reason people are so genetically invaried between individuals is because there are so many genomes, not in spite. That is how probability works. Dogs have such drastic differences because each of their genomes has a much more profound impact on complete genetic makeup.

Remember that it's the prevalcence of these differences that matter.

And no, I have already contended the opposite, that is a strawman. Obviously people of the same ethnicity are usually genetically similar, but it is also completely possible to be more genetically similar to others of different races than to others of the same.
#95 to #93 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
i am not quite sure what you meant in the first paragraph...
do you mean humans have so much more genomes than dogs?

and may i ask, where do you got the information from that dogs are so much more varied than humans?

but to the last sentence: its true, people from different races can be closer than people from the same race. thats true.
User avatar #96 to #95 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
By varied I meant between individuals, figured that was implied. I thought it was silly to bring up social races since even if we were somehow so genetically bland that there were literally no subspecies among us, we'd still be more genetically similar to those who look like us on average.
#99 to #96 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
ok now i am really confused. lol, sorry...

did you mean two people of the same species (two whites, two blacks, etc) and not two eprson from different races (one white, one black) when you were talking about variation because you assumed that people that look more alike (whites, blacks, asians, etc) would of course be more genetically different?
User avatar #100 to #99 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
I'm a bit confused here, too.
#101 to #100 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
the two of us...
the two of us...
User avatar #122 to #101 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
Well, I'm sure you got my point.
#123 to #122 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
nope i didnt... i think.
or at least i'm not sure...
User avatar #124 to #123 - Shiny (11/11/2013) [-]
Oh well.
#64 to #46 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
There are however different human species. Just like the black and brown squirrel, Blacks and Whites and Asians have very different physical and mental qualities. We are not the same and it is natural for different species to fight. To deny this is to remain ignorant
#94 to #64 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
flynn effect
#54 to #46 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
No, faggot, there are many different races. This "only race is the human race" **** is the worst idea I've every heard. We are all different, and unique. As a society, we should embrace these differences in culture and celebrate them. Every race is equal and should be treated as such, but we are not all categorized under one race. Shut up.
User avatar #57 to #54 - bushingenna (11/11/2013) [-]
Identifying someone as a different race is what starts racism. Black skin? Still human. African decent? Thats the cultural difference.
#63 to #57 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
racism is stating one race is superior/inferior to another.
saying black people ar black, and white people are white isnt racist.
User avatar #66 to #63 - bushingenna (11/11/2013) [-]
i never said it was.
#67 to #66 - kanedam ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
maybe i mistook it...

somehow seemed that way to me.
identifying someone as a different race is what starts racism.
i thought you meant its racist to see a black or asian or white person and know they are black, asian, white...
User avatar #61 - komandantmirkoo (11/11/2013) [-]
equal rights =/= everyone equal
#68 - xxxsonic fanxxx (11/11/2013) [-]
sometimes, you guys piss me off.

if someone studies night and day to be a doctor, they should be a doctor of they do well. and because they spend their lives saving people, they should make good money.

if another person is a lazy asshole and does nothing. he should get nothing, because he does nothing. There is nothing equal about rewarding the lazy and punishing the worker.

by all means, give them both an equal chance to do great things!
however, do not take away once they have achieved those great things!
User avatar #103 to #68 - knowitallfourtytwo (11/11/2013) [-]
Remember, it's all about equal opportunity and satisfying human needs. The equilibrium point in most economies for the population who is able to work has it so that not everyone in that group can be employed while companies can still make profit and production can be maximized. That means, there will ALWAYS be structural unemployment. Getting a job is hard, and in most cases, unemployed people aren't lazy, it's a factor of the market and availability. Sure, they should be expected to take opportunities to sustain themselves and produce, but that requires giving them the opportunity in the first place. Should they be punished for looking for a job and not being able to obtain one? That's why we need institutions such as shelters. For every job you take, you deprive someone else of that job. That doesn't mean you're evil, but you have to understand that until advances in technology provides more jobs, there will be a lot of unemployment. There are lazy people, yes, and they will never improve, but those who wish to earn a living must be given that chance.
User avatar #269 - merrymarvelite (11/11/2013) [-]
I believe in equal opportunity.

Everybody should have the same chances to succeed but the people who actually do succeed will be the ones with the talent and drive to work hard.
User avatar #270 to #269 - mads ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
That is called a meritocracy
User avatar #289 to #270 - iamkagji ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
Well it makes sense, doesn't it? You earn what you have and are limited by your own drive and nature, be it physical, emotional or mental.
User avatar #299 to #289 - mads ONLINE (11/11/2013) [-]
No I agree with it entirely. You should be recognized by skill not who you know or don't know.
#254 - satansatan (11/11/2013) [-]
"Equality" isn't about being the ******* same kind of people, it's about having the same opportunities in life...
#86 - grandreddragon (11/11/2013) [-]
Every man being created is equal is derived from John Locke's Law of Nature and how it applies to everyone, not that you and I are the exact same. Maybe before you criticize what the media makes you believe, you should do you own research to what it actually means.
#41 - lilgeo (11/10/2013) [-]
I have some ideas of how we can create equality, but we need to fix the constitution.
User avatar #1 - shitposts (11/10/2013) [-]
Has it ever occurred to you that people fight and preach equality not because they want people to ignore physical traits, but instead make sure these traits does not make it so that some people are treated unfairly or unjust. equality is not about ignoring that someone is fat or fit, it's about making sure both the fat and fit get's the same opportunities regardless of their form.
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