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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#270 - SteyrAUG
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I came to the conclusion that God exists through science. This was done through looking at the big bang. Ever heard the "if earth was 10 ft closer to the sun we'd burn and 10 ft farther and we'd freeze" argument? With what we know of the big bang, it was that way. If the universe had expanded slightly faster, it would have dissipated into energy. If it had expanded slightly slower, it would have collapsed back in on itself. The rate it expanded allowed the creation of hydrogen. I choose to think of the universe as a massive differential equation. If you choose not to, then by all means, you were given free will, so use it.
User avatar #273 to #270 - kanadetenshi
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A problem arises from the premise that the cosmological constants are in fact 'fine tuned' at all. This premise assumes that there is a certain range of values that each constant could assume. The greater these ranges, the more unlikely that a given set of constants would have assumed the values we observe. However, to simply imagine a certain range of possible numerical values that each constant could assume and calculating the probability that this value would be arrived at by mere chance is fallacious for two reasons. Currently, we have no access to data that would tell us a) what range the constants could possibly assume in reality and b) how many trials there were in which the constants assumed certain values. If in a lottery one number were drawn from a pot of five numbers, then winning the lottery would become comparatively likely. Likewise, even if a trial with an extremely unlikely outcome - say winning an actual national lottery - were repeated a sufficient number of times, the outcome would become likely to occur overall.
#269 - naroemcgarson
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please if you people honestly believe what you have said then I challenge you to watch this video it is a debate that is entertaining and informative.

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User avatar #274 to #269 - kanadetenshi
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Kent Hovind is not a scientist, he knows absolutely nothing about evolution. This site is filled with propagandic ******** and is not informative at all.

Please come back when you actually have a real scientist talking about these things.
#249 - tabarzins
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What if you don't care?
#184 - anon id: e0e40222
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You silly people with your arguments about proof. Absolute truth is impossible to prove. Everything you think you know is based on one assumption or another. Heck, your entire understanding of the world is based on the assumption that your senses tell you the truth. Of course, you have to maintain some assumptions to remain a functional human being, but once you get into the realm of beliefs rather than "facts", arguing about proof becomes a complete waste of time.
User avatar #187 to #184 - discord
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so why waste time with beliefs if arguing about them is a waste of time...?
User avatar #202 to #187 - Sethorein
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beliefs shape social policies.
User avatar #204 to #202 - discord
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Who's beliefs can we agree to fallow without arguing.
#232 to #204 - TheExpertT
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User avatar #207 to #204 - Sethorein
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dunno...
User avatar #182 - StaticX
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I only worship the great lord Cthulu. And when he does awaken and summon the ancient ones, as the world falls apart and people slip into insanity. They will look up at me, saying "Please, save us..." and I will stare back them, grinning, and answer "No."
#153 - anon id: 578c0f6c
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agnostics aka "pussy atheists"
-bill mahr
#135 - anon id: 0b2d7387
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Agnostics: People who really don't believe in God but are too cowardly to say so definitively out of fear if their really is a God he is going to **** you
Atheists: People with actual conviction who are willing to put their money where their mouth is they know their isn't a God so they don't waste time double-talking because they are afraid of what might happen just in case.
#133 - Hidnight
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If you see how beautiful and balanced everything is, it's kinda hard to be skeptical to pantheism.
User avatar #156 to #133 - noblexfenrir
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Well...yes and no? Pantheism is just atheism, and the core of pantheism is completely arbitrary towards how that person views the universe.
#161 to #156 - Hidnight
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Pantheism is believing that the universe is the manifestation of god. I'm agnostic, but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful.
User avatar #164 to #161 - noblexfenrir
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" but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful."

Well yeah it is, but against it's a purely subjective observation and nothing more.

"But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process"
Evidence has shown this to be likely true.

" I'm agnostic"
But are you theist or an atheist? I'm agnostic as well, but I'm asking for you to explain your current state of belief.
#176 to #164 - Hidnight
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No proof for or against god, why I'm agnostic. Nothing is can be considered objective, but our subjective interpretations of our observations shows how it is not surprising if there is a guiding hand. But that doesn't mean there is one. We are just going in circles.
#105 - freenarative
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You shared your beliefs,,, I share mine. I am a pastafarian.
#51 - hotsand
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I have something on my mind that I would like to share revolving around heaven and hell.

Both heaven and hell seem flawed in design. The concept of eternity doesn't truly work in regards to our lives as humans. To explain, if one were to live forever, to be immortal, eventually our humanity will fade away. Eventually he will lose all care of society and happiness and sadness and become a husk of a human. This works in the exact same way with someone in heaven or hell. Eternal suffering is illogical because EVENTUALLY you will either become accustomed to it or become that already mentioned husk of a human. And heaven is an even better example as it is eternal bliss. What the **** is eternal bliss? Having sex with women all day every day? EVENTUALLY, maybe over the course of millions of years, that will become boring. And maybe you'll move on to something else. Maybe you'll pick up a sport in heaven. Maybe you'll get bored of that and learn to play an instrument. It seems as if the concept of heaven is insanely shallow in design among the minds of the religious. They just end the definition of heaven right after saying that it is eternal happiness. EVENTUALLY you are going to devolve from whatever god fearing individual you are into some hooker killing crack head as you will EVENTUALLY get really bored of playing baseball for literally ETERNITY. And to continue, happiness is only existent because of its relation to sadness and pain. Heaven would have to consist of bad. ****, we would probably make it ourselves as we do that in the "real world." This is what confuses me most about religion. Nobody likes questioning the mind-numbingly large flaws in it. Like how I guess that God would have to continuously brainwash us each day in order to keep us in a cycle of blissful ignorance for eternity in heaven or pain and agony in Hell.

If you have taken the time to read this wall of text than I would like to hear your opinion because I'm stumped as hell.
#77 to #51 - electro
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I go to a Catholic school where we are required to take theology courses. I'm on my seventh one now and I've asked this question in many different ways to many different teachers - who have their masters in the subject - and the best answer any of us can get out of them is along the lines of this:

Heaven is eternal bliss and we'll never be able to comprehend what thats like.

seriously. That's their answer. They say you will have no wants - like you wont want sex with woman or to play sports or anything. So then i ask, does that mean you just... sit there? for eternity? and.. its enjoyable? Like.. you have no thoughts, no curiosities, no desires, no jokes, nothing. Nothing to do, nothing to think about. Isn't that just the same thing as being dead without a heaven?
And I assume Hell has some similar answer. The religion is so focused on getting into heaven that it is more relevant for me to try to debate with teachers and students about in class.
#78 to #77 - electro
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(no thoughts because you already no the answers to your thoughts)
#40 - somekindofname
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Agnostic here
Since not everyone will want to here my belief in it I'll put it in spoilers so it's your own fault:
I believe there is something out there, but that this thing would naturaly not care for us. Why should it? In this universe there's always some cool **** going down I'd guess. Ok, I'd come by from time to time, but most likely it's just a "Oh ****, the oven!" moment for whatever the hell is out there.
User avatar #39 - sirhyden
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I really don't care either way....just the pair need to stop being condecending cunts.....
User avatar #33 - arziben
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atheist agnostic there, and yes, I'll be an atheist until proven wrong
User avatar #32 - gilliam
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Lack of proof for presence is proof for absence.
User avatar #35 to #32 - listerthepessimist
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absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
User avatar #37 to #35 - gilliam
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Scientists are always ready to adapt the conclusions with the introduction of new evidence, as long as no evidence for something can be found, the conclusion must be that itsimply is not so/there.

Else, we'd be waiting for evidence for something for all eternity just because some people believ in it.

Despite the lack of evidence for their existence, i believe in unicorns, but because there is no evidence that they do not exist the conclusion must be that they do exist.
#41 to #37 - somekindofname
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Gravity is still a theoretical thing lacking a lot of evidence before it can be called a real thing and yet everyone believes in it. I'm not trying to sound like a jackass/smartass, but only using example I heard before.
User avatar #42 to #41 - gilliam
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No, we lack evidence for an explenation to gravity, but the evidence to gravitis existence is all around us.

Largest mass attracts smaller mass: there is a thing we call gravity.

But there are many theorys exactly why and how gravity exists, and those are lacking evidence, and all are debated until evidence arises.
#44 to #42 - somekindofname
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Question time?
Where do you believe everything came from? Again, I know this may come over as really passive aggresive, but it's not intended that way. Im just really curious on your views.
User avatar #50 to #44 - gilliam
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We don't really know yet, but then again, years earlier we didn't knew about the big bang yet either, wich's radiation is still measured today.

I personally don't want to believe anything about that yet, time and research will tell.

I'm kind of getting a vibe that you're religious, that's okay, but here's one for you.

Where would your god 've come from?
#52 to #50 - somekindofname
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Same place as the all matter at the beginning of time and space and all that the good stuff came from I'd guess. I try to be agnostic about it, but I just can't wrap my head around where matter came from in the first place.
The first atom/quark/electron/whatever would have been the start of everything, but where could it have come from? I just get really frustrated with the question and thinking that something living, I suppose, created it gives me some form of comfort.
And either way I'm a little scared of death, and a little scared of us (humanity), being all alone in a vast, empty bathtub where there are no one else to talk
User avatar #55 to #52 - gilliam
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I know exactly what frustration you're talking about, i'm blessed cursed with an overactive brain and could think a lot about that sort of stuff in only a few years.
And the only sollution to that frustration is not answers, but acceptance, acceptance that things just are, without a reason, without a goal or motivationg, without a source, without a purpose. and everything that followed out of the just being is just a large cosmic coincidence.
#66 to #55 - somekindofname
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Well, either way, "God" hardly matters to me. I believe that whatever destiny awaits this species, it's our design that laid its groundwork. Wether it's total anhiliation or the explorers of our galaxy, it was humanity that got there.
By our own brain and brawn we carved ourselves quite the history and even though it's probably not the most admirable in all aspects, I'm quite proud to call myself human.
God or our own future can only sit back and watch because someday, we will surpass both.
/end cliche hollywood speech.
User avatar #68 to #66 - gilliam
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Yes, but are we, the ones that got where we are today, not mere products of physics? Electric circuitry, run and designed by physics, propelled by evolution.
If we would have evolved differently, and say that Dogs would've become the dominant species, does the design, the plan then suddenly shifts it focus towards dogs? Are we so much better than an atom because we are aware? (ofwich bein aware is yet again a product of the atoms we are built of)

Anyway, that was entertaining, beddy-by time now for me, will reply to anything tomorrow.
See ya.
#73 to #68 - somekindofname
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See ya! : )
PS
Reason I believe we are better than any other "natural" being is that we don't obey the natural laws. We are doing something unique and unlike any other living organism, we are trying to make the deciscion to be better and to be peacefull. Unlike the atom that will always obey curtain rules, we will always fight for these rules to suit us best.
Of all beings I know exist, humanity is the only one that will always try to create a situation where he/she wins, regardless of what the natural order should have been.

Physics and cicuitry, it doesn't matter, we are conscious and we are here because we were lucky enough, strong enough and stubborn enough to stand where everyone else fell. That is one hell of a legacy, regardless of what empty void that is reality and its pointlessness, humanity made a point for existence by merely being part of it, and that is more than any lawabiding atom can ever say.
They will forever follow the patterns and the laws that we discovered and that we understood, and they will never leave those patterns. But humanity set out with one goal and that was to create so many patterns that everyone could choose one. An atom only has one pattern, one future, but our future is up to ourselves.
Have a damn good night and sleep well friend, for you are a combination of atoms more unique and unimaginable than any star or gascloud out there and you have a choice that most other beings can only dream of. Sleep well indeed.
User avatar #8 - splendiddust
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I beleive that i spelt the second word wrong
User avatar #4 - hahahaheidi
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agnostic FTW. idk about anyone else, but I don't wanna spend my life worshipping someone/ something that might not even exist.
User avatar #18 to #4 - VincentKing
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but at the same time, believe so you get your ticket to heaven.
User avatar #19 to #18 - hahahaheidi
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i honestly have no intention going to heaven or hell, I mean if it were up to me I'd just wanna be a ghost forever. if I can't do that i'd rather just be nothing i.e. rot in the ground, you know? unless reincarnation is real then **** that other **** I want that
User avatar #21 to #19 - VincentKing
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I prefer the thought of Heaven, or at least stay as a ghost for a while. I dunno, it seems calming to have that there.
User avatar #22 to #21 - hahahaheidi
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yeah I can see your point. but personally if we only live once, why would god want us to live it exactly how he wants? its just like life would be pointless if we were all living it the same way, ya know? so ive just decided im gonna live my life and I god exists ill deal with him when I get to that point.
User avatar #23 to #22 - VincentKing
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I actually questioned people on this. If you were to exclude everyone but those you like from your group, you aren't too good. If you were to punish only the evil, then you aren't really bad. What if our views on religion is wrong? What if god wanted us to be his slaves or something, and the devil free'd us, allowing us to have a real life?
User avatar #25 to #23 - hahahaheidi
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whoa @_@ I... I don't even know what to say but that's a really good point my moms side of the family is full of super religious catholics so im just kinda fed up with it all now.i think my breaking point was debating on evolution and what the bible says about gays with my best friend (whos all about adam and eve and that being gay is a choice and its wrong) and after a while I was like **** this, if this is what god is teaching I don't want to be a part of it.
User avatar #27 to #25 - VincentKing
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with the whole gay thing, though I agree that its just how they are born, I do know one that has gone too far from it. Any way he can prove he is gay, he will do it. He will constantly share on facebook and show everyone in classes these gay rights things, and blames his horrible drawings we had to do of a nude model on having to see her vagina. If I can handle seeing a dick and keep drawing, he should be able to draw a vagina :/

Long story short, I think he is gay for the status symbol of it -.- (or at least puts on an act)
User avatar #28 to #27 - hahahaheidi
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ugh some people are just douchebags >.< I know a guy who does the opposite; he's obviously gay (that sounds bad but I swear it's true :o) but he tries wayyy too hard to talk about how much he loves girls and never shuts up about it. also, each and every one of his friends is a female, and they all think he's gay too. the reason it bothers me is because I wish people would just own **** they can't help, like yeah you're gay so what? I don't make a big deal out of being straight so wtf?
User avatar #138 - trollins
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These comments are just so euphoric.
User avatar #93 - Welshhobo
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Trying to prove there is no god is like proving you don't have jam sandwich in front of you by looking for a jam sandwich.
#2 - tutteredboast
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**tutteredboast rolled a random image posted in comment #251 at When I'm bored ** **** logic