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#194 - sinonyx
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(10/25/2013) [-]
congrats, you're agnostic!
#122 - spateeter
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All this **** about religions, I actually converted to worshiping the nine divines, they are very respectable and I know they exist.
#144 to #122 - anon
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Please don't tell me you actually do that, because that would be kind of pathetic.
#58 - kanadetenshi
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#94 to #58 - malhaloc
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The person who made up that religion admitted he made it up as an excuse to where a spaghetti strainer on his head in his driver's license picture by saying it was a religious garment, which they had to abide by. Your turn.
#272 to #94 - kanadetenshi
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Also he didn't make up the flying spaghetti monster. Pastafarianism was founded by the prophet mosey.
#271 to #94 - kanadetenshi
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That doesn't disprove the flying spaghetti monster. It's still recognized as a true religion just like scientology and christianity. The only difference is that the people from christianity just haven't admitted that they're full of ****.
#276 to #271 - malhaloc
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Ok. What proof do you have that we're wrong? I took my best shot at pastafarianism, what's your proof that my god doesn't exist?
#277 to #276 - kanadetenshi
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The entire ******* point is that you CAN'T disprove something when it's not proven, that's absolutely malformed. I can't disprove that there is a celestial teapot roaming in the andromeda galaxy.

Believing in something without evidence and justifying it with "you can't prove me wrong" is childish and delusional.
#278 to #277 - malhaloc
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I don't believe in God because "you can't prove me wrong". I believe because that's what I've chosen to believe in. And trust me I know christianity doesn't make a lick of sense, but I still believe it. To believe in something without proof is, and cue atheists cringing, "faith". That's literally what the word means is to believe something (not necessarily in something mind you just believe something) without logical reason.

Look, I don't want to start an argument with you. You seem like an ok guy...girl?...anyway, I don't impose my beliefs on people unless they literally ask for it. Which you did. And yeah I get it. "Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as legit as your God. So I'm going to bring it up so you can know exactly how ridiculous you sound." I can't prove there is a God and you can't prove there isn't one so lets call it a night. Because trust me, I've been on this ride a thousand times and all it does is go round and round and round.
#279 to #278 - kanadetenshi
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The point is that believing in something without evidence is simply childish and delusional.
#280 to #279 - malhaloc
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Ok, do you believe the big bang happened? Because if you do then you're kind of insulting yourself because we have no proof of that either.
#106 to #94 - freenarative
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wrong! he did it because he was against CREATIONISM being taught in a SCIENCE class. The more you know ;)
#111 to #106 - malhaloc
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Okay granted. But the fact of the matter is that he admitted that it was a made up religion. Like Scientology.
#114 to #111 - freenarative
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Again, learn the facts,
1) He brought tablets down from a mountain which had rules on them
2) he is all powerful but sits back and lets man do what he wants,,,, unless he wants to step in and help.
3) he created earth and man in 7 days and gagve us a holy day
these are both in Pastafarianism and christianity
the word of god was given to man and man wrote it down to guide others, no one saw god and neither has proof of their "god" talking to them and neither has proof of their claims.
So... why is christianity a religeon and pastafatianis fake? both are written the same way and have the same rules
#121 to #114 - malhaloc
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Because...the guy...who made...it up...SAID THAT HE MADE IT UP. You can't get much more fake than that. He outright stated that it was ********. If he hadn't admitted it, pastafarianism would be just as legit as christianity because we have the same amount of proof. But the evidence is with the guy who started it. He said it was made up.
#124 to #121 - freenarative
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and I have a time machine that i destroyed but before I did i went back in time and created chrisianity. it was a joke. So,,,, AGAIN... NEITHER of us has any proof so why is one genuine and one fake.
bobby (the guy who created FSM) was lead astray by christians and brainwashed into lying and saying pastafarianism is fake. prove me wrong WITH PROOF! at some point you'll see why I am doing this. i'm asking why is one religion with followers and one "a joke" IT'S ALL ACCEPTED JUST BECAUSE WE ACCEPT IT. no proof but MILLIONS die in the name of "god" but with no proof or evidance.
Now, the flying spaghetti monster teaches us tolerance. if you don't want to believe then I will leave you in your blasphemoous disbelief. I hope you don't go to hell where the hookers have aids and the beer is warm and flay/
#134 to #124 - malhaloc
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I never said any religion was truer than any other. Christianity is what I believe in and if you don't thats fine. The only reason I brought this up was because kanadetenshi asked me to prove the flying spaghetti monster fake. And the proof is that the guy who made him up admitted he did. If you wanna believe in the damn spaghetti monster do it. But be aware that the guy said it was a joke. Thats why pastafarianism is a joke and christianity is recognized as a religion. Because the creator said it was a joke.
#139 to #134 - freenarative
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I believe bobby was brainwashed by christians into lying and saying pastafarianism was fake. And you know, calling someones religion "a joke" is a religious hate crime. this has been screen capped and I am thinking of reporting you to the authorities for committing a hate crime and for your religious intolerance! how dare you belittle my faith.
Sorry,,, there I go again saying "believe my religion is the only real one or else you will be punished"
May you see the true god and may his noodly appendage touch you on your head. May you see the light and go to the warehouse with the strippers and the beer volcano.
#142 to #139 - malhaloc
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And I hope the light of God reaches you before it's too late. Now that we've had a nice religious exchange. I bid you good night.
#126 to #124 - freenarative
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*flat
#108 to #58 - freenarative
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may he bless you with his noodly appendage. RAmen.
#292 to #58 - mayormilkman
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(11/09/2013) [-]
I thought you were above posting dead horses.
#293 to #292 - kanadetenshi
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Dead arguments deserve nothing more than dead responses.
#294 to #293 - mayormilkman
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The FSM is just some joke made up by some man who did not like Kansas teaching creationism in schools. If only it stayed there.
#295 to #294 - kanadetenshi
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The FSM is just as much as a joke as a totalitarian magical sky fairy birthing a jewish carpenter.
#296 to #295 - mayormilkman
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Gee, I'm so convinced by you. I haven't heard that one thousands of times before.
#297 to #296 - kanadetenshi
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Because it works, it's an argument that christians hate and can't stand because it exposes the fact how ridiculous the idea of just believing in supernatural phenomena is without evidence and they know it.
#298 to #297 - mayormilkman
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It's just a ******, aged joke. At this point it reads more like a poor attempt to be funny than anything, and yet it's still used as an argument.
#299 to #298 - kanadetenshi
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Because it's a good analogy and arguments that work. And since you have yet to make a proper refutation it seems that you're only proving my point.
#300 to #299 - mayormilkman
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It's all appeal to ridicule. Your main argument is simply "this sounds as stupid as this thing that's definitely not real."
#301 to #300 - kanadetenshi
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The main point of the argument is an answer towards the religious trying to shift the burden of proof. Saying that theism and atheism are even because atheism can't disprove god is a disingenuous claim because atheism is a skeptical position and does not have to disprove god in order to be a more logical position. The flying spaghetti monster is just an analogy to that.

When we make an assertion based on observation you need evidence for such, and rather than pseudo-explanations the better method of providing evidence to back up assertions or explain them is through methodological naturalism, things that can be demonstrated through testable, demonstrable evidence or mathematical evidence. And that is where supernatural claims fail, making them indeed exposed to Reductio ad absurdum's.
#302 to #301 - mayormilkman
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Mmmmmmmmkay.
#226 - byobgraffpro
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(10/25/2013) [-]
welcome to adulthood!
#191 - essdubz
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It is impossible to prove that god doesn't exist with a 100% certainty, but I would argue that there is nothing that we know for sure. Most of what we know we base off of evidence which shows that there is a strong chance of a certain thing being correct. With that being said, I would argue that there is more than enough reason to believe that there is no god, and therefore I believe that people should consider themselves atheists until strong evidence shows otherwise.
#228 to #191 - TheExpertT
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actually physicists are starting to believe that there is a pattern to the universe or you could say its something like bits of computer correction codes. it is quite possible that if there is an understandable pattern behind the universe then there very well could be a "creator". sadly though if you look at it this way its quite like playing the sims and having everyone worship you.
#289 to #228 - essdubz
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I agree that god can exist, that is why one of my main points is that we cannot know anything for 100% certainty. Maybe in 10 years everyone will be atheist and then 30 years later everyone will be theist. Evidence changes all the time, so i'm just waiting for some seriously strong evidence before I change my mind.
#184 - anon
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You silly people with your arguments about proof. Absolute truth is impossible to prove. Everything you think you know is based on one assumption or another. Heck, your entire understanding of the world is based on the assumption that your senses tell you the truth. Of course, you have to maintain some assumptions to remain a functional human being, but once you get into the realm of beliefs rather than "facts", arguing about proof becomes a complete waste of time.
#187 to #184 - discord
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so why waste time with beliefs if arguing about them is a waste of time...?
#202 to #187 - Sethorein
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beliefs shape social policies.
#204 to #202 - discord
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Who's beliefs can we agree to fallow without arguing.
#232 to #204 - TheExpertT
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#207 to #204 - Sethorein
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dunno...
#182 - StaticX
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I only worship the great lord Cthulu. And when he does awaken and summon the ancient ones, as the world falls apart and people slip into insanity. They will look up at me, saying "Please, save us..." and I will stare back them, grinning, and answer "No."
#179 - sorinshrouds
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Is there one for a person who "kinda" Believes in gods, but doesn't want to challenge their existence?
#133 - Hidnight
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If you see how beautiful and balanced everything is, it's kinda hard to be skeptical to pantheism.
#156 to #133 - noblexfenrir
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Well...yes and no? Pantheism is just atheism, and the core of pantheism is completely arbitrary towards how that person views the universe.
#161 to #156 - Hidnight
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Pantheism is believing that the universe is the manifestation of god. I'm agnostic, but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful.
#164 to #161 - noblexfenrir
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" but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful."

Well yeah it is, but against it's a purely subjective observation and nothing more.

"But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process"
Evidence has shown this to be likely true.

" I'm agnostic"
But are you theist or an atheist? I'm agnostic as well, but I'm asking for you to explain your current state of belief.
#176 to #164 - Hidnight
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No proof for or against god, why I'm agnostic. Nothing is can be considered objective, but our subjective interpretations of our observations shows how it is not surprising if there is a guiding hand. But that doesn't mean there is one. We are just going in circles.
#131 - galkawhm
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You can't prove a negative. The only way to do something similar to that is to try and fail at proving positives.
#118 - Ninotori
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I choose to believe in God. And I don't really want or need proof. In fact, people trying to prove it actually piss me off.
#105 - freenarative
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You shared your beliefs,,, I share mine. I am a pastafarian.
#75 - auda
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I don't particularly believe in god, though I follow the bibles teachings.   
   
I don't even know what I am...
I don't particularly believe in god, though I follow the bibles teachings.

I don't even know what I am...
#83 to #75 - noblexfenrir
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An atheist that follow biblical philosophy?
#91 to #75 - malhaloc
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An open minded tolerant person?
#39 - sirhyden
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(10/24/2013) [-]
I really don't care either way....just the pair need to stop being condecending cunts.....
#38 - RageGuyyourmom
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I don't want to start an argument for either side but how the hell do you prove something doesn't exist?
#33 - arziben ONLINE
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atheist agnostic there, and yes, I'll be an atheist until proven wrong
#32 - gilliam
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Lack of proof for presence is proof for absence.
#35 to #32 - listerthepessimist
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absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
#37 to #35 - gilliam
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Scientists are always ready to adapt the conclusions with the introduction of new evidence, as long as no evidence for something can be found, the conclusion must be that itsimply is not so/there.

Else, we'd be waiting for evidence for something for all eternity just because some people believ in it.

Despite the lack of evidence for their existence, i believe in unicorns, but because there is no evidence that they do not exist the conclusion must be that they do exist.
#41 to #37 - somekindofname
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Gravity is still a theoretical thing lacking a lot of evidence before it can be called a real thing and yet everyone believes in it. I'm not trying to sound like a jackass/smartass, but only using example I heard before.
#42 to #41 - gilliam
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No, we lack evidence for an explenation to gravity, but the evidence to gravitis existence is all around us.

Largest mass attracts smaller mass: there is a thing we call gravity.

But there are many theorys exactly why and how gravity exists, and those are lacking evidence, and all are debated until evidence arises.
#44 to #42 - somekindofname
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Question time?
Where do you believe everything came from? Again, I know this may come over as really passive aggresive, but it's not intended that way. Im just really curious on your views.
#50 to #44 - gilliam
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We don't really know yet, but then again, years earlier we didn't knew about the big bang yet either, wich's radiation is still measured today.

I personally don't want to believe anything about that yet, time and research will tell.

I'm kind of getting a vibe that you're religious, that's okay, but here's one for you.

Where would your god 've come from?
#52 to #50 - somekindofname
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Same place as the all matter at the beginning of time and space and all that the good stuff came from I'd guess. I try to be agnostic about it, but I just can't wrap my head around where matter came from in the first place.
The first atom/quark/electron/whatever would have been the start of everything, but where could it have come from? I just get really frustrated with the question and thinking that something living, I suppose, created it gives me some form of comfort.
And either way I'm a little scared of death, and a little scared of us (humanity), being all alone in a vast, empty bathtub where there are no one else to talk
#55 to #52 - gilliam
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I know exactly what frustration you're talking about, i'm blessed cursed with an overactive brain and could think a lot about that sort of stuff in only a few years.
And the only sollution to that frustration is not answers, but acceptance, acceptance that things just are, without a reason, without a goal or motivationg, without a source, without a purpose. and everything that followed out of the just being is just a large cosmic coincidence.
#66 to #55 - somekindofname
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Well, either way, "God" hardly matters to me. I believe that whatever destiny awaits this species, it's our design that laid its groundwork. Wether it's total anhiliation or the explorers of our galaxy, it was humanity that got there.
By our own brain and brawn we carved ourselves quite the history and even though it's probably not the most admirable in all aspects, I'm quite proud to call myself human.
God or our own future can only sit back and watch because someday, we will surpass both.
/end cliche hollywood speech.
#68 to #66 - gilliam
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Yes, but are we, the ones that got where we are today, not mere products of physics? Electric circuitry, run and designed by physics, propelled by evolution.
If we would have evolved differently, and say that Dogs would've become the dominant species, does the design, the plan then suddenly shifts it focus towards dogs? Are we so much better than an atom because we are aware? (ofwich bein aware is yet again a product of the atoms we are built of)

Anyway, that was entertaining, beddy-by time now for me, will reply to anything tomorrow.
See ya.
#73 to #68 - somekindofname
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See ya! : )
PS
Reason I believe we are better than any other "natural" being is that we don't obey the natural laws. We are doing something unique and unlike any other living organism, we are trying to make the deciscion to be better and to be peacefull. Unlike the atom that will always obey curtain rules, we will always fight for these rules to suit us best.
Of all beings I know exist, humanity is the only one that will always try to create a situation where he/she wins, regardless of what the natural order should have been.

Physics and cicuitry, it doesn't matter, we are conscious and we are here because we were lucky enough, strong enough and stubborn enough to stand where everyone else fell. That is one hell of a legacy, regardless of what empty void that is reality and its pointlessness, humanity made a point for existence by merely being part of it, and that is more than any lawabiding atom can ever say.
They will forever follow the patterns and the laws that we discovered and that we understood, and they will never leave those patterns. But humanity set out with one goal and that was to create so many patterns that everyone could choose one. An atom only has one pattern, one future, but our future is up to ourselves.
Have a damn good night and sleep well friend, for you are a combination of atoms more unique and unimaginable than any star or gascloud out there and you have a choice that most other beings can only dream of. Sleep well indeed.
#30 - mooproxy
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Though surely the responsibility to prove a hypothesis lies with the person proposing it?
#29 - tittylovin
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This goes great until someone tries to pass law restricting the rights of the other side.
#4 - hahahaheidi
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agnostic FTW. idk about anyone else, but I don't wanna spend my life worshipping someone/ something that might not even exist.
#18 to #4 - VincentKing
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but at the same time, believe so you get your ticket to heaven.
#19 to #18 - hahahaheidi
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i honestly have no intention going to heaven or hell, I mean if it were up to me I'd just wanna be a ghost forever. if I can't do that i'd rather just be nothing i.e. rot in the ground, you know? unless reincarnation is real then **** that other **** I want that
#21 to #19 - VincentKing
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I prefer the thought of Heaven, or at least stay as a ghost for a while. I dunno, it seems calming to have that there.
#22 to #21 - hahahaheidi
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yeah I can see your point. but personally if we only live once, why would god want us to live it exactly how he wants? its just like life would be pointless if we were all living it the same way, ya know? so ive just decided im gonna live my life and I god exists ill deal with him when I get to that point.
#23 to #22 - VincentKing
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I actually questioned people on this. If you were to exclude everyone but those you like from your group, you aren't too good. If you were to punish only the evil, then you aren't really bad. What if our views on religion is wrong? What if god wanted us to be his slaves or something, and the devil free'd us, allowing us to have a real life?
#25 to #23 - hahahaheidi
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whoa @_@ I... I don't even know what to say but that's a really good point my moms side of the family is full of super religious catholics so im just kinda fed up with it all now.i think my breaking point was debating on evolution and what the bible says about gays with my best friend (whos all about adam and eve and that being gay is a choice and its wrong) and after a while I was like **** this, if this is what god is teaching I don't want to be a part of it.
#27 to #25 - VincentKing
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with the whole gay thing, though I agree that its just how they are born, I do know one that has gone too far from it. Any way he can prove he is gay, he will do it. He will constantly share on facebook and show everyone in classes these gay rights things, and blames his horrible drawings we had to do of a nude model on having to see her vagina. If I can handle seeing a dick and keep drawing, he should be able to draw a vagina :/

Long story short, I think he is gay for the status symbol of it -.- (or at least puts on an act)
#28 to #27 - hahahaheidi
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ugh some people are just douchebags >.< I know a guy who does the opposite; he's obviously gay (that sounds bad but I swear it's true :o) but he tries wayyy too hard to talk about how much he loves girls and never shuts up about it. also, each and every one of his friends is a female, and they all think he's gay too. the reason it bothers me is because I wish people would just own **** they can't help, like yeah you're gay so what? I don't make a big deal out of being straight so wtf?