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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #194 - sinonyx
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congrats, you're agnostic!
User avatar #122 - spateeter
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All this **** about religions, I actually converted to worshiping the nine divines, they are very respectable and I know they exist.
#144 to #122 - anon id: bdebd4a1
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Please don't tell me you actually do that, because that would be kind of pathetic.
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User avatar #94 to #58 - malhaloc
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The person who made up that religion admitted he made it up as an excuse to where a spaghetti strainer on his head in his driver's license picture by saying it was a religious garment, which they had to abide by. Your turn.
User avatar #272 to #94 - kanadetenshi
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Also he didn't make up the flying spaghetti monster. Pastafarianism was founded by the prophet mosey.
User avatar #271 to #94 - kanadetenshi
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That doesn't disprove the flying spaghetti monster. It's still recognized as a true religion just like scientology and christianity. The only difference is that the people from christianity just haven't admitted that they're full of ****.
User avatar #276 to #271 - malhaloc
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Ok. What proof do you have that we're wrong? I took my best shot at pastafarianism, what's your proof that my god doesn't exist?
User avatar #277 to #276 - kanadetenshi
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The entire ******* point is that you CAN'T disprove something when it's not proven, that's absolutely malformed. I can't disprove that there is a celestial teapot roaming in the andromeda galaxy.

Believing in something without evidence and justifying it with "you can't prove me wrong" is childish and delusional.
User avatar #278 to #277 - malhaloc
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I don't believe in God because "you can't prove me wrong". I believe because that's what I've chosen to believe in. And trust me I know christianity doesn't make a lick of sense, but I still believe it. To believe in something without proof is, and cue atheists cringing, "faith". That's literally what the word means is to believe something (not necessarily in something mind you just believe something) without logical reason.

Look, I don't want to start an argument with you. You seem like an ok guy...girl?...anyway, I don't impose my beliefs on people unless they literally ask for it. Which you did. And yeah I get it. "Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as legit as your God. So I'm going to bring it up so you can know exactly how ridiculous you sound." I can't prove there is a God and you can't prove there isn't one so lets call it a night. Because trust me, I've been on this ride a thousand times and all it does is go round and round and round.
User avatar #279 to #278 - kanadetenshi
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The point is that believing in something without evidence is simply childish and delusional.
User avatar #280 to #279 - malhaloc
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Ok, do you believe the big bang happened? Because if you do then you're kind of insulting yourself because we have no proof of that either.
#106 to #94 - freenarative
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wrong! he did it because he was against CREATIONISM being taught in a SCIENCE class. The more you know ;)
User avatar #111 to #106 - malhaloc
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Okay granted. But the fact of the matter is that he admitted that it was a made up religion. Like Scientology.
#114 to #111 - freenarative
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Again, learn the facts,
1) He brought tablets down from a mountain which had rules on them
2) he is all powerful but sits back and lets man do what he wants,,,, unless he wants to step in and help.
3) he created earth and man in 7 days and gagve us a holy day
these are both in Pastafarianism and christianity
the word of god was given to man and man wrote it down to guide others, no one saw god and neither has proof of their "god" talking to them and neither has proof of their claims.
So... why is christianity a religeon and pastafatianis fake? both are written the same way and have the same rules
User avatar #121 to #114 - malhaloc
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Because...the guy...who made...it up...SAID THAT HE MADE IT UP. You can't get much more fake than that. He outright stated that it was ********. If he hadn't admitted it, pastafarianism would be just as legit as christianity because we have the same amount of proof. But the evidence is with the guy who started it. He said it was made up.
#124 to #121 - freenarative
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and I have a time machine that i destroyed but before I did i went back in time and created chrisianity. it was a joke. So,,,, AGAIN... NEITHER of us has any proof so why is one genuine and one fake.
bobby (the guy who created FSM) was lead astray by christians and brainwashed into lying and saying pastafarianism is fake. prove me wrong WITH PROOF! at some point you'll see why I am doing this. i'm asking why is one religion with followers and one "a joke" IT'S ALL ACCEPTED JUST BECAUSE WE ACCEPT IT. no proof but MILLIONS die in the name of "god" but with no proof or evidance.
Now, the flying spaghetti monster teaches us tolerance. if you don't want to believe then I will leave you in your blasphemoous disbelief. I hope you don't go to hell where the hookers have aids and the beer is warm and flay/
User avatar #134 to #124 - malhaloc
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I never said any religion was truer than any other. Christianity is what I believe in and if you don't thats fine. The only reason I brought this up was because kanadetenshi asked me to prove the flying spaghetti monster fake. And the proof is that the guy who made him up admitted he did. If you wanna believe in the damn spaghetti monster do it. But be aware that the guy said it was a joke. Thats why pastafarianism is a joke and christianity is recognized as a religion. Because the creator said it was a joke.
#139 to #134 - freenarative
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I believe bobby was brainwashed by christians into lying and saying pastafarianism was fake. And you know, calling someones religion "a joke" is a religious hate crime. this has been screen capped and I am thinking of reporting you to the authorities for committing a hate crime and for your religious intolerance! how dare you belittle my faith.
Sorry,,, there I go again saying "believe my religion is the only real one or else you will be punished"
May you see the true god and may his noodly appendage touch you on your head. May you see the light and go to the warehouse with the strippers and the beer volcano.
User avatar #142 to #139 - malhaloc
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And I hope the light of God reaches you before it's too late. Now that we've had a nice religious exchange. I bid you good night.
#126 to #124 - freenarative
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*flat
#108 to #58 - freenarative
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may he bless you with his noodly appendage. RAmen.
User avatar #292 to #58 - mayormilkman
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I thought you were above posting dead horses.
User avatar #293 to #292 - kanadetenshi
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Dead arguments deserve nothing more than dead responses.
User avatar #294 to #293 - mayormilkman
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The FSM is just some joke made up by some man who did not like Kansas teaching creationism in schools. If only it stayed there.
User avatar #295 to #294 - kanadetenshi
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The FSM is just as much as a joke as a totalitarian magical sky fairy birthing a jewish carpenter.
User avatar #296 to #295 - mayormilkman
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Gee, I'm so convinced by you. I haven't heard that one thousands of times before.
User avatar #297 to #296 - kanadetenshi
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Because it works, it's an argument that christians hate and can't stand because it exposes the fact how ridiculous the idea of just believing in supernatural phenomena is without evidence and they know it.
User avatar #298 to #297 - mayormilkman
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It's just a ******, aged joke. At this point it reads more like a poor attempt to be funny than anything, and yet it's still used as an argument.
User avatar #299 to #298 - kanadetenshi
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Because it's a good analogy and arguments that work. And since you have yet to make a proper refutation it seems that you're only proving my point.
User avatar #300 to #299 - mayormilkman
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It's all appeal to ridicule. Your main argument is simply "this sounds as stupid as this thing that's definitely not real."
User avatar #301 to #300 - kanadetenshi
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The main point of the argument is an answer towards the religious trying to shift the burden of proof. Saying that theism and atheism are even because atheism can't disprove god is a disingenuous claim because atheism is a skeptical position and does not have to disprove god in order to be a more logical position. The flying spaghetti monster is just an analogy to that.

When we make an assertion based on observation you need evidence for such, and rather than pseudo-explanations the better method of providing evidence to back up assertions or explain them is through methodological naturalism, things that can be demonstrated through testable, demonstrable evidence or mathematical evidence. And that is where supernatural claims fail, making them indeed exposed to Reductio ad absurdum's.
User avatar #302 to #301 - mayormilkman
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Mmmmmmmmkay.
#270 - SteyrAUG
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I came to the conclusion that God exists through science. This was done through looking at the big bang. Ever heard the "if earth was 10 ft closer to the sun we'd burn and 10 ft farther and we'd freeze" argument? With what we know of the big bang, it was that way. If the universe had expanded slightly faster, it would have dissipated into energy. If it had expanded slightly slower, it would have collapsed back in on itself. The rate it expanded allowed the creation of hydrogen. I choose to think of the universe as a massive differential equation. If you choose not to, then by all means, you were given free will, so use it.
User avatar #273 to #270 - kanadetenshi
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A problem arises from the premise that the cosmological constants are in fact 'fine tuned' at all. This premise assumes that there is a certain range of values that each constant could assume. The greater these ranges, the more unlikely that a given set of constants would have assumed the values we observe. However, to simply imagine a certain range of possible numerical values that each constant could assume and calculating the probability that this value would be arrived at by mere chance is fallacious for two reasons. Currently, we have no access to data that would tell us a) what range the constants could possibly assume in reality and b) how many trials there were in which the constants assumed certain values. If in a lottery one number were drawn from a pot of five numbers, then winning the lottery would become comparatively likely. Likewise, even if a trial with an extremely unlikely outcome - say winning an actual national lottery - were repeated a sufficient number of times, the outcome would become likely to occur overall.
#269 - naroemcgarson
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please if you people honestly believe what you have said then I challenge you to watch this video it is a debate that is entertaining and informative.

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User avatar #274 to #269 - kanadetenshi
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Kent Hovind is not a scientist, he knows absolutely nothing about evolution. This site is filled with propagandic ******** and is not informative at all.

Please come back when you actually have a real scientist talking about these things.
#251 - anon id: 94669a33
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Wow, a lot of people don't even know what agnostics are, even the ones claiming to be agnostic.

Also, there's no proof the world isn't run by invisible untouchable gremlins, or that there's a giant teapot floating in space right now. I'm religious, but I'm just saying, "no proof that he doesn't exist" is horrible logic.
#249 - tabarzins
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What if you don't care?
User avatar #226 - byobgraffpro
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welcome to adulthood!
#153 - anon id: 578c0f6c
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agnostics aka "pussy atheists"
-bill mahr
#152 - anon id: 578c0f6c
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*******, theres plenty of proof that god doesnt exist youre just ******* ignorant and lazy.
#227 to #152 - vparrish
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#135 - anon id: 0b2d7387
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Agnostics: People who really don't believe in God but are too cowardly to say so definitively out of fear if their really is a God he is going to **** you
Atheists: People with actual conviction who are willing to put their money where their mouth is they know their isn't a God so they don't waste time double-talking because they are afraid of what might happen just in case.
#133 - Hidnight
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If you see how beautiful and balanced everything is, it's kinda hard to be skeptical to pantheism.
User avatar #156 to #133 - noblexfenrir
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Well...yes and no? Pantheism is just atheism, and the core of pantheism is completely arbitrary towards how that person views the universe.
#161 to #156 - Hidnight
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Pantheism is believing that the universe is the manifestation of god. I'm agnostic, but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful.
User avatar #164 to #161 - noblexfenrir
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" but it is incredible how balanced forces are, the placement of celestial objects. But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process. Either way, beautiful."

Well yeah it is, but against it's a purely subjective observation and nothing more.

"But it could be the product of endless trial and error throughout eons of process"
Evidence has shown this to be likely true.

" I'm agnostic"
But are you theist or an atheist? I'm agnostic as well, but I'm asking for you to explain your current state of belief.
#176 to #164 - Hidnight
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No proof for or against god, why I'm agnostic. Nothing is can be considered objective, but our subjective interpretations of our observations shows how it is not surprising if there is a guiding hand. But that doesn't mean there is one. We are just going in circles.
User avatar #53 - captainfuckitall
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While it's true that it's near impossible to prove a negative, it's also true that it's scientifically impractical to assume something does not exist until it shoves itself in your face.

If you just went off by everything you could see and carried on from there, there would be thousands if not millions of branches of Science that you would never explore, simply because you never had the thought to try. And who knows, perhaps many things do tie back into some god or creator, we're just taking a bit to get there, making connections back to the very beginning.

In short, it's true that religious people should try to prove WHY they have faith, rather than just having it; but it's also true that Atheists are neither smarter nor wiser if they automatically assume it can't be possible.
User avatar #61 to #53 - kanadetenshi
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"it's also true that it's scientifically impractical to assume something does not exist until it shoves itself in your face"

Actually the entire scientific method is based around that, look up the null hypothesis and falsifiability.
User avatar #62 to #61 - captainfuckitall
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Actually, it's not. I do know what those are, but the point of being a Scientist is to explore and discover, and you can't do that if you simply assume something is not worth your time.

I mean, look at ghosts or spirituality, it is a dominant belief around many parts of the world, even many Atheists hold some type of semblance to it, there it is little to no actual scientific research done about it simply because "It's stupid, so it doesn't exist".
User avatar #64 to #62 - kanadetenshi
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And it is. You cannot do science without the method of falsification. Otherwise you fall into the problem of induction.
User avatar #63 to #62 - kanadetenshi
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Actually that's very untrue. There is tons of research done on supernatural phenomena, and i mean far more than we actually should.

Ghosts for example have gone through ******** of testing and experimenting, and the result is that they are based on psychological phenomena in the human brains. Scientists don't dismiss ghosts because it's stupid, they dismiss it because there has not been any shred of evidence.
User avatar #100 to #63 - noblexfenrir
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My lord, what happened to your account this time?
User avatar #71 to #63 - captainfuckitall
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If you could direct me to some of that research, it would be quite swell, as when I search for it it yields nothing.

No, you don't understand what I'm trying to say, I'm not saying there shouldn't be a method of falsification because there always should be, I'm saying that completely ignoring something is NOT what being a scientist is about.
User avatar #99 to #71 - noblexfenrir
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Well what things are you trying to bring up? "ghosts" and "spirituality"? The first one has never been proven and the second, well I'm not even sure what you're asking for.

Ghosts are an unproved hypothesis. Until they are, there is no good reason to believe they exist. Therefor, we default to non-belief.

Spirituality...well I can take a shot and think maybe you're talking about things like astral projection and near death experience type of events, both of these examples however have been proven to either be false (Astral projection) or repeatable experiences with varying results dependent on the persons specific belief and under conditions that are not fatal. (NDE)

Check out any James Randi contestant and you can see supernatural claims being put to the test.

And in response to your first post, exactly as Kanade put it, the scientific method is based in the fact that we are not omniscient creatures, and therefor cannot object to, or concede towards the existence of "insert here". However, we don't have to make the claim something doesn't exist, we simply have to say we don't know, but that doesn't mean the possibility of it existing lingers in our minds. All we must allow is the ability for something to be proven when evidence is provided.
User avatar #127 to #99 - captainfuckitall
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Ghosts. I just brought spirituality up as an example of something even many Atheists subscribe

I know the first one has never been proven, but the gentleman above me said there was much research done regarding it, yet when I looked it up it yielded nothing.

Indeed they are unproven, but the majority of people around Earth claim to have had contact with them, or have had some supernatural experience, that in itself is enough to warrant research, I'd imagine.

Actually, Astral-Projection has not proven to be false, as the U.S. Military experimented with psychic fighters during the Cold War, and apparently, when a man came forward saying he knew how to Astral Project and go across great distances, he spied upon enemy Russians and revealed certain locations with an astonishing degree of accuracy, so much so that they continued it for many years until Spy-Planes were introduced. (What started this was a woman who was able to move things with mind-power alone. Apparently she suddenly collapsed one day, and while unconscious, the materials and ware around her continued to shake and topple off. While it's been proven she could have faked moving things, she was also able to stop a frog-heart from beating under very heavy watch and examination, which we have yet to figure out how was faked).

Indeed and I understand that, what I was saying is that it doesn't follow a scientific method to totally DISMISS something without giving it time and research.
User avatar #147 to #127 - noblexfenrir
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" know the first one has never been proven, but the gentleman above me said there was much research done regarding it, yet when I looked it up it yielded nothing. "
You found no research done of visual hallucinations or mental impairment that causes these things? I think you looked up the wrong research, most of it is done not to disprove ghosts, but to look more into physical anomalies that can produce sightings.

"Indeed they are unproven, but the majority of people around Earth claim to have had contact with them, or have had some supernatural experience, that in itself is enough to warrant research, I'd imagine. "
Not really no, ghosts are a common story of human beings, same with aliens. I would imagine out of 7 billion people stories would pop up. I find it stranger that so many have experiences yet not one piece of objective evidence has been provided.

Do you have any links to these studies done on astral projection? Because so far the general biological consensus is it's caused by the brain. Search up experiments done by Dr. Ehrsson and certain contestants for the James Randi award. The former explains how OBE's are purely psychological and nothing more than lucid dreaming, the latter disproves claims of those who say they can produce authentic OBE's.

But it does dismiss something, because if there is no evidence for it, it does not bother itself with whatever you're bringing up. It doesn't say it does or does not exist, it simply does not acknowledge it at all, or as I said, defaulting to non-existence.
User avatar #189 to #147 - captainfuckitall
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I'm sorry sir, but it seems we cannot carry this conversation further as we both define the subject matter in different ways. But I will answer your comment the best I can anyways.

Indeed I found that, but that was not what I was looking for.

If a large enough people claim to have seen something, even without physical evidence, isn't that enough to at least research the matter? If not, then you and me also define the Scientific process differently.

But there can't be any evidence if you look in the wrong places. You're not exactly going to find a bagel in a donut factory, nor would you find 'paranormal experiences' by passing it off as completely regular ones.
#51 - hotsand
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I have something on my mind that I would like to share revolving around heaven and hell.

Both heaven and hell seem flawed in design. The concept of eternity doesn't truly work in regards to our lives as humans. To explain, if one were to live forever, to be immortal, eventually our humanity will fade away. Eventually he will lose all care of society and happiness and sadness and become a husk of a human. This works in the exact same way with someone in heaven or hell. Eternal suffering is illogical because EVENTUALLY you will either become accustomed to it or become that already mentioned husk of a human. And heaven is an even better example as it is eternal bliss. What the **** is eternal bliss? Having sex with women all day every day? EVENTUALLY, maybe over the course of millions of years, that will become boring. And maybe you'll move on to something else. Maybe you'll pick up a sport in heaven. Maybe you'll get bored of that and learn to play an instrument. It seems as if the concept of heaven is insanely shallow in design among the minds of the religious. They just end the definition of heaven right after saying that it is eternal happiness. EVENTUALLY you are going to devolve from whatever god fearing individual you are into some hooker killing crack head as you will EVENTUALLY get really bored of playing baseball for literally ETERNITY. And to continue, happiness is only existent because of its relation to sadness and pain. Heaven would have to consist of bad. ****, we would probably make it ourselves as we do that in the "real world." This is what confuses me most about religion. Nobody likes questioning the mind-numbingly large flaws in it. Like how I guess that God would have to continuously brainwash us each day in order to keep us in a cycle of blissful ignorance for eternity in heaven or pain and agony in Hell.

If you have taken the time to read this wall of text than I would like to hear your opinion because I'm stumped as hell.
#77 to #51 - electro
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I go to a Catholic school where we are required to take theology courses. I'm on my seventh one now and I've asked this question in many different ways to many different teachers - who have their masters in the subject - and the best answer any of us can get out of them is along the lines of this:

Heaven is eternal bliss and we'll never be able to comprehend what thats like.

seriously. That's their answer. They say you will have no wants - like you wont want sex with woman or to play sports or anything. So then i ask, does that mean you just... sit there? for eternity? and.. its enjoyable? Like.. you have no thoughts, no curiosities, no desires, no jokes, nothing. Nothing to do, nothing to think about. Isn't that just the same thing as being dead without a heaven?
And I assume Hell has some similar answer. The religion is so focused on getting into heaven that it is more relevant for me to try to debate with teachers and students about in class.
#78 to #77 - electro
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(no thoughts because you already no the answers to your thoughts)
#40 - somekindofname
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Agnostic here
Since not everyone will want to here my belief in it I'll put it in spoilers so it's your own fault:
I believe there is something out there, but that this thing would naturaly not care for us. Why should it? In this universe there's always some cool **** going down I'd guess. Ok, I'd come by from time to time, but most likely it's just a "Oh ****, the oven!" moment for whatever the hell is out there.
User avatar #39 - sirhyden
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I really don't care either way....just the pair need to stop being condecending cunts.....
User avatar #8 - splendiddust
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I beleive that i spelt the second word wrong
User avatar #7 - sanjix
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I believe, that if god exists, he is all knowing, therefore he created me knowing full well that i would lack faith in his existence. and to condemn me to hell for doing exactly what he knew i was going to do, is unfair, and evil in it's own right. and if that were the case, then i would not worship this being anyway, i would rather burn in hell.
#11 to #7 - digitalmasterx
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i'd hate to go down this rabbit hole but...

god gave you a functioning brain. saying that your faith is weak is entirely your own choice.
User avatar #12 to #11 - ecalycptus
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No because god created him with weak faith, it's god fault.
#151 to #12 - anon id: 4613021c
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If god created humans and controlled them at all times, what the **** would be the point?
User avatar #236 to #151 - sanjix
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whether he controls us, or not, he supposedly at the very least created the first humans. but he did this, as an all knowing being. which means he knew full well what path i would take. and to allow my creation, knowing i would be sent to hell, before i ever even existed, is not a quality of a being i would ever worship.
User avatar #17 to #12 - VincentKing
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It all depends on the religion you follow. Some will say god made you, others say he only created the first humans, and then watches over us. It's sort of a take a chance thing.
User avatar #6 - acidreign
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Ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty"? I apply the same logic to God with "Fake until proven real"
User avatar #4 - hahahaheidi
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agnostic FTW. idk about anyone else, but I don't wanna spend my life worshipping someone/ something that might not even exist.
User avatar #18 to #4 - VincentKing
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but at the same time, believe so you get your ticket to heaven.
User avatar #19 to #18 - hahahaheidi
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i honestly have no intention going to heaven or hell, I mean if it were up to me I'd just wanna be a ghost forever. if I can't do that i'd rather just be nothing i.e. rot in the ground, you know? unless reincarnation is real then **** that other **** I want that
User avatar #21 to #19 - VincentKing
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I prefer the thought of Heaven, or at least stay as a ghost for a while. I dunno, it seems calming to have that there.
User avatar #22 to #21 - hahahaheidi
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yeah I can see your point. but personally if we only live once, why would god want us to live it exactly how he wants? its just like life would be pointless if we were all living it the same way, ya know? so ive just decided im gonna live my life and I god exists ill deal with him when I get to that point.
User avatar #23 to #22 - VincentKing
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I actually questioned people on this. If you were to exclude everyone but those you like from your group, you aren't too good. If you were to punish only the evil, then you aren't really bad. What if our views on religion is wrong? What if god wanted us to be his slaves or something, and the devil free'd us, allowing us to have a real life?
User avatar #25 to #23 - hahahaheidi
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whoa @_@ I... I don't even know what to say but that's a really good point my moms side of the family is full of super religious catholics so im just kinda fed up with it all now.i think my breaking point was debating on evolution and what the bible says about gays with my best friend (whos all about adam and eve and that being gay is a choice and its wrong) and after a while I was like **** this, if this is what god is teaching I don't want to be a part of it.
User avatar #27 to #25 - VincentKing
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with the whole gay thing, though I agree that its just how they are born, I do know one that has gone too far from it. Any way he can prove he is gay, he will do it. He will constantly share on facebook and show everyone in classes these gay rights things, and blames his horrible drawings we had to do of a nude model on having to see her vagina. If I can handle seeing a dick and keep drawing, he should be able to draw a vagina :/

Long story short, I think he is gay for the status symbol of it -.- (or at least puts on an act)
User avatar #28 to #27 - hahahaheidi
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ugh some people are just douchebags >.< I know a guy who does the opposite; he's obviously gay (that sounds bad but I swear it's true :o) but he tries wayyy too hard to talk about how much he loves girls and never shuts up about it. also, each and every one of his friends is a female, and they all think he's gay too. the reason it bothers me is because I wish people would just own **** they can't help, like yeah you're gay so what? I don't make a big deal out of being straight so wtf?