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#24 - liversupporter (10/01/2013) [-]
britfag here, i only know whats going on in the us right now because the same thing happened in the west wing (or very similar anyway)

we need this guy to save the day
User avatar #53 to #24 - ballsmcfrenzy **User deleted account** (10/01/2013) [-]
BARTLET FOR PRESIDENT 2014
User avatar #23 - thepink (10/01/2013) [-]
Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in again?
User avatar #64 to #22 - tenaciousjon ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
Jesus ******* Christ that face
#20 - iforgotmypasswords (10/01/2013) [-]
mmmgonstealit

mmmgonsteal the declarshun o undipence
#18 - include ONLINE (10/01/2013) [-]
The US government.
The US government.
#7 - I Am Monkey (10/01/2013) [-]
Government's over.
Everyone go home.
User avatar #6 - melontwilight (10/01/2013) [-]
So what's happening exactly?
User avatar #26 to #6 - niggastolemyname (10/01/2013) [-]
congress has this thing called the debt ceiling
CGPgrey explains it best The Debt Limit Explained
#226 to #26 - jakols ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
Youtube;
Explaining the backwards American politics to Europeans who laugh
User avatar #94 to #26 - sheenaandjanie (10/02/2013) [-]
I learned today!
User avatar #100 to #94 - niggastolemyname (10/02/2013) [-]
This video is painfully accurate
User avatar #17 to #6 - supername (10/01/2013) [-]
Also see DCat or comment number 9. It's relevant if you want to know more details.
User avatar #14 to #6 - supername (10/01/2013) [-]
Here's the real story Obama made Obamacare which forces everyone to get insurance. So say for ex. if someone with out insurance goes to the hospital for an emergency the state would have to pay for it, now the person has to pay for it. Also this forces those who can not pay for private healthcare to get Obamacare which has the same rates for everyone, which reduces inflation in the healthcare market. You can still choose other healthcare providers if you can afford or prefer it the only difference is now you have to get one.
Now here's the hitch Republicans ideologically disagree with standardized healthcare in that they believe people should be able to choose their own healthcare which is fair and which is also one of the reasons that Obamacare is not mandatory but does require some form of healthcare. Next republicans believe that this will not significantly reduce insurance and healthcare costs by the state and the individuals in question and this is a valid point untill we get some actual data. But to do that we actually need to implement Obamacare and find out how helpful it is, if it even is. Unfortunately republicans went full cockblock mode and forced the gov to shut down in protest of this policy and of other petty little things. Now we are at an impasse where if Obama caves he'll look like a bitch and if the republicans cave they will look like an even bigger group of immature pussies throwing a tantrum for not getting what they want.
Just the opinion of the average fjer.
tl;dr: Obama passes new policy, republicans threaten to cockblock and shut down gov, Obama thinks they won't, they do, now they are in who has bigger pee-pee contest, thousands lose jobs while congress high ranking gov still get paid.
#298 to #14 - anonymous (10/17/2013) [-]
half of that was inaccurate
User avatar #284 to #14 - atomicoption (10/02/2013) [-]
Just a addon here, but the Gov. Shutodown occurred because of the inability of congress to get their **** together on the whole and pass a ******* budget. What you said was completely true, but the actual cause of shut down was the poor budgeting.
User avatar #184 to #14 - sashathefolx (10/02/2013) [-]
Just gonna say here... I read a government mandated poster at my work

If you are a part time employee your company cannot offer/give you health insurance as of Midnight December 31st, 2013. In 2014 if you do not have any health insurance you are fined $95 or 1% of your gross income. Which ever is greater. By 2015 you will be fined 2% of your gross income. By 2016 you will be fined 2.5% of your gross income.

I won't lie. I'm a Liberal. I was going to vote for Obama (didn't have the time.) And Now I am glad I didn't vote for Obama. Some of his plans have been decent... but as of late... I'm not so happy with him. Thank GOD I was just promoted to Full Time otherwise I would be ****** .
User avatar #185 to #184 - supername (10/02/2013) [-]
Meh. Quite honestly I feel as if the intentions were right and the policy decent but the execution as utter crap for Obamacare. As for my political spectrum I'm not as sure as you anymore.
#181 to #14 - anonymous (10/02/2013) [-]
Spoken like a true liberal.

Republicans OFFERED to raise the deficit limit as long as the money funds previous programs and not the new Obamacare. They don't want it funded before other programs that are already in effect have been paid for. So, they would rather get into a compromise than just "cave" to what democrats want. Learn to formulate your own opinion instead of copying random **** that your dad says because he can't see both sides. And they didn't force the gov't to shut down. The **** does that even mean? The gov't shut down because there was no money to fund it; and seeing as Republicans offered a compromise, either both parties did the shutting down, or liberals did. Once you graduate grade school, take a government elective in High School or College and educate yourself.

TLDR: Liberals won't compromise unless it's 100% what they want.
User avatar #183 to #181 - iridium (10/02/2013) [-]
Anon, don't even pretend to call out some kind of bias here.

The fact is, one division of the government is so buttmad about something that is LAW that they are screwing over hundreds of thousands of government workers and bringing a questionable stasis to the government, while still making enough money that they don't even have to worry about what this does to themselves.

Even if it's flawed, you don't shut the government down because you're upset.
#179 to #14 - anonymous (10/02/2013) [-]
just saying people are mostly pissed because if they don't use obamacare but a different provider instead they will have to pay a fine equal to the amount it would cost them to just have obamacare
#161 to #14 - expressway (10/02/2013) [-]
Technically no one has "lost" a job, they are furloughed. They still have their position and are expected to work, but for no pay.
User avatar #165 to #161 - pokemonstheshiz (10/02/2013) [-]
You can't be expected to work without pay. The people who are "shutdown" are not currently working, whatever division/ arm of the government they work for isn't doing anything. They're not getting paid because they are required to not do anything. They still technically hold their positions in the system, they just aren't working right now. It's like if a labor union went on strike, if you're part of the union then you aren't allowed to work until whatever conditions are met.
#293 to #165 - expressway (10/02/2013) [-]
True, most positions aren't going into work at all, I worded my original post poorly. Yet there are still many critical positions that are being told to come into work without pay. And the analogy of a union is a good example, however its the federal government that is negotiating, not the workers. There is no argument between the government and workers pay (other than compensation of course), it's the government among itself trying to pass a budget. When you work for the federal government most of the time when things like this happen you're along for the ride without much say, your union can only get on congress, like the rest of the nation, to figure it out.
User avatar #55 to #14 - bluenebula (10/01/2013) [-]
As someone who works with (not for) the government, It's actually hilarious how many people are still working today. Really, the only people taking the day off are the senators. The mail, transit, and anything like that are still working fine. I was on the phone with a friend from my old job, and he says some government funded places are still open and working even though they're told not his included. The only ones taking this seriously is the republicans, and it's ******* adorable. They can stop doing their job for a month, and we wouldn't notice the difference.
User avatar #149 to #55 - HarvietheDinkle (10/02/2013) [-]
Fun fact: Some government websites are also shut down.

I tried accessing some today for a class assignment
User avatar #32 to #14 - niggastolemyname (10/01/2013) [-]
"Next republicans believe that this will not significantly reduce insurance and healthcare costs" lol they really think that?
because it's flat out obvious that government insurance for all would be significantly cheaper that private health care, and insurance companies know this.
User avatar #168 to #32 - pokemonstheshiz (10/02/2013) [-]
people might be thumbing this down, but it's true. To be competitive, the government would probably lose money doing it, but it would keep insurance companies in check. The post office is the same way nowadays, they're always in the red, yet they keep the major companies (fedex and UPS) from using their oligopoly-like powers to increase their prices to ridiculous rates.
User avatar #31 to #14 - metalmind (10/01/2013) [-]
It actually over all saves money.
And you are not forced to get gealthcare, your employer is forced to supply you healthcare.
And you have an ineffective system overall anyway, seeing how you spend the most money per capita for healthcare, yet are 34th the world in healthcare quality.
#25 to #14 - mitchr (10/01/2013) [-]
Presenting both sides of the issue in detail, with further references, and knowing what you are talking about. You sir deserve this award.
User avatar #10 to #6 - juvia (10/01/2013) [-]
An agreement over Obamacare (obamas ****** up health care plan) couldn't be reached and something with finances, thats all I know
User avatar #45 to #10 - tastyhams (10/01/2013) [-]
Obamacare is like trying to fly a plane that's still being built.
#4 - boegywoegy (10/01/2013) [-]
Mfw I'm from Europe and have no idea what's going on.
Mfw I'm from Europe and have no idea what's going on.
#162 to #4 - scorchoeljohnny (10/02/2013) [-]
Satan requires Frosted Flakes
#104 to #4 - anonymous (10/02/2013) [-]
trust me the american public doesnt either
User avatar #101 to #4 - douthit (10/02/2013) [-]
Your GIF made me literally LOL. It gets funnier the longer you watch it.
#77 to #4 - Grom (10/02/2013) [-]
MFW I'm the U.S. and have no idea what's going on
User avatar #74 to #4 - icedcarbon (10/02/2013) [-]
Same here... not sure if it's related to the film he did (National Treasure) or some unfunny **** like tree-fiddy, which today i still don't know what it is and im not bothered to make a few clicks on google for it, but i know a joke is a good joke even if i don't know what the reference is from. and those treefiddy **** are just the worse.
#21 to #4 - dirtydollar (10/01/2013) [-]
mfw im from America and i dont know whats going on
mfw im from America and i dont know whats going on
User avatar #285 to #21 - nikismeeee (10/02/2013) [-]
Watching these two GIFs in a row made me laugh so hard I literally almost **** myself
-3
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User avatar #12 to #4 - xgreenmaidenx (10/01/2013) [-]
Same, i went to school today, everything was normal on the internet ( as normal as it can get ) and then when i came back, USA have apprently been shut down?
User avatar #9 to #4 - DCat (10/01/2013) [-]
Here. This is what icaruslives said over on the Social board when someone asked.

"If you're being serious, I'll explain. Basically congress every year has to pass a bill that finances the American Government, and this year the house ( Which majority Republicans) was refusing to pass the bill unless they postponed Obamacare or at least made changes to it. The problem is, the Senate, which is run by democrats, refuses to pass anybill with changes to Obamacare so there was a huge stalemate and no one would compromise. Now before you think it is the Houses fault, you have to know a few things. First of all, the senate is acusing the House of not compromising, but as the date drew closer, the Senate refused to meet to make any proposals so they didn't contribute much to setlement either. And if you're wonder why Obamacare is important in any way, its sort of because obamacare legislature was approved without any consent from the republican party and costs 1/6 of the national economy. So Republicans are a bit pissed off and hellbent on getting rid of it, even if it means that the government will be shut down. And by government shutdown, that means about 700.000 government workers will be "unemployed" as of tomorrow morning at 10 am. These workers are deemed unnecessary or not as important to the continuation of our government. People like Park rangers, some public relations people and such. This happened last in 1995 for about 20 days, and while government shutdown of a few days shows no real signifigant effect on the US, one of over a week would be some real problems."
User avatar #249 to #9 - hudis ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
I wonder who the genius was who decided that having basically only two parties in charge of things was in any way a good idea.
User avatar #213 to #9 - machinimax (10/02/2013) [-]
Well It's good to know these things...
Thanks!
#128 to #9 - rhinocerous **User deleted account** (10/02/2013) [-]
Don't forget about October 17th. They're also threatening to default on our countries debt, which will destroy our economy and have a global impact. A bunch of children ready to flush us all out down the toilet.
User avatar #129 to #128 - DCat (10/02/2013) [-]
Again. I just copied and pasted it.

Didn't think it was that serious. They've got two weeks anyways. Hopefully they'll get all this sorted out.
User avatar #197 to #129 - rhinocerous **User deleted account** (10/02/2013) [-]
I think the country is too worried about Miley Cyrus to worry about our economy. Honestly, most of the population deserves this for not being aware with what's going on.
User avatar #206 to #197 - DCat (10/02/2013) [-]
The way I see it, is this country should just keep to itself for a while and work on its own problems before being the world police some more.
#211 to #206 - rhinocerous **User deleted account** (10/02/2013) [-]
My thoughts exactly, buddy.
User avatar #68 to #9 - cshp (10/01/2013) [-]
The majority or republicans are for Obamacare, only the "tea party" republicans (super hardcore republicans, like Space Marine mentality) are against it and don't mind the shutdown because that means Obamacare won't be able to receive funding. Almost every important political person is for Obamacare, besides the tea party, is for Obamacare.
#132 to #68 - funnymanohword (10/02/2013) [-]
Not true at all, the majority of Republicans are against Obamacare. Not just conservatives or tea party members. If most were for it, the house wouldn't have made moves to get rid of Obamacare.
User avatar #66 to #9 - ompalomper (10/01/2013) [-]
so unless someone or both decides to flex then **** will slowly but surely be lowered into the fan

kinda makes me wonder who the people would blame if they simply let the thing stand as it is.

as a fan of entropy (see video George Carlin Entropy fan ) truly hope this spirals down into violence.
#110 to #66 - jabzilla (10/02/2013) [-]
im gladly sitting here with a few bags of popcorn watching this unfold and a part of me is really keeping hope that entropy happens so we can finally over throw the idiots in charge of the government and fix the problems with lovely violence and mass murders of government officials because those assholes kinda deserve it. also lets get some bankers too. but not my local bank...theres this girl whose totally adorable...so we cant get all the bankers. just the CEOs n Congressional kinda of peaople
User avatar #234 to #110 - commontroll (10/02/2013) [-]
Honestly, people just doing business is fine. Just killing people because they're rich and slightly take advantage of people is no reason to murder them, and will just make us like the French Revolution. That's not a good thing by the way.

However, the federal government needs to be redone. It's time for change and for America to not be so ally-tastic and imperialistic. I would honestly love to lead a coup and then just let somebody else take charge. That's honestly the best way to have the government redone. If the people who led a rebellion had themselves lead the nation afterward, then it would just be yet another coup and another corrupt government.
#288 to #234 - jabzilla (10/02/2013) [-]
obviously you are correct on the second part of your comment but the first part not so much. the people I named (high banking CEOs and people in congress) are essentially the reason why we had the 2008 economic collapse. people who toyed with lives and barely got any more than a slap on the wrist. there was no accountability and because of this the people who helped ruin the economy and this country are still in charge. doesnt help that congress has a horrific approval rating yet we keep voting them in. I think they need to redo everything again. its time to modernize america and fix our problems instead of passing them onto the next guy. stop passing the buck. someone give us some damn honest answers. because obviously the media isnt to be trusted.
#290 to #288 - jabzilla (10/02/2013) [-]
does that mean kill them? no. was I a bit extreme in saying that? yes. but something needs to be done. and people need to get in trouble. the american people are fed up and our votes have never really counted like they should, and to be fair part of the problem is that americans have no clue who they are voting for. its partially our fault for not being educated enough. but the people who ruined us also need to be held accountable and the american people need to be informed properly. its a big problem and idk if a coup would fix everything but someone needs to stop this country before it becomes more of a police state.
User avatar #289 to #288 - commontroll (10/02/2013) [-]
So, modernizing means killing off the rich because they do mean things? Completely unnecessary. Worst case scenario, just remove the really bad ones from their companies. Or, defund their companies their bailouts from the government. See, that was the problem, the government gave a bailout to the people for shooting themselves in the foot.

But killing people because we lost lots of jobs... that's a lot more monstrous than those bankers.

Take away the government supporting a company dying because it's being led by horrible businessmen and you'll lose these companies that are refusing to progress. If a company falls behind, let it rot. Instead we put it on life support and give it millions.

So again, just comes back to the Federal Government.
#292 to #289 - jabzilla (10/02/2013) [-]
i dont have any answers except to bring the people who helped cause this mess to justice, give the american people the truth and to stop messing with the media, and finally just for the government to stop this game of spying on everyone. follow the constitution like we should have in the first place. the bill of rights is important. the government seems to ignore those when they do anything now...which isnt making any sense and hopefully some good will finally come from this. the government is the problem and its not going to go away until we as a people do something a little more than bitch about it on the internet lol cuz thats all ive been able to do. I wanna do more to help but im not as intelligent as others out there and I hope they make the right choices when they make their move to fix this country. until they do all I can do is go to work and watch the news and laugh at how silly it is to have the government fight its self when we could be improving things.
#291 to #289 - jabzilla (10/02/2013) [-]
lol no modernizing means having the government become more transparent, informing the public properly, keeping track of the funds, and making sure the people in this country get a proper voting chance. I want america to be great again. as we stand now, the government really is a mess and it needs help.
User avatar #29 to #9 - metalmind (10/01/2013) [-]
Well, the Repoblicans are at fault here mainly.
And you forgot to mention that Obamacare actually saves a couple of billions over all.
User avatar #200 to #29 - rocksteady (10/02/2013) [-]
Wrong.

It's not Repoblicans, It's Republicans btw...
User avatar #36 to #29 - DCat (10/01/2013) [-]
Don't talk to me about it. I just copied and pasted it.
User avatar #40 to #36 - metalmind (10/01/2013) [-]
Alright.
Not that I care that much anyway about the issue, since I'm in a great country with a functional government, and in a state with 3% unemployment.
But it is somehow sad to see how other countries fail.
#215 to #40 - anonymous (10/02/2013) [-]
Haha, really ?

I can't think of any country "successing" (since you talk about "failing") right now, could you tell me which is it ? I'd like to check
User avatar #255 to #215 - metalmind (10/02/2013) [-]
Germany.
And where I live, in Bavaria, the unemployment is currently at 3,6%. (Although it is lower in some regions).
I live in a vilage where our major managed to completely renovate the village center (completely new roads, subsidized rebuilding old houses, completely rebuilt the school for about 20 million). And all that with the budget of a village.

And meanwhile the government in Italy is breaking apart, and the government in the USA shut down.

#233 to #215 - alexanderh (10/02/2013) [-]
Denmark is doing pretty well.
We're handling the crisis very well, we've pretty much recovered from it. The average citizen doesn't really notice anymore.
Our government has got some debt, but that is natural after a crisis. The debt is going down, though, so we're in the end phase of the financial crisis.

Unless, that is, the US ***** Europe over again, which could be really ******* bad for some of the European countries that aren't doing so well, which would affect the entirety of Europe.
#237 to #233 - anonymous (10/02/2013) [-]
Still waiting for metalmind's answer but I guess it was a troll.

Denmark, yeah man if I remember well your debt is around half your GDP ? That's actually pretty good (compared to most European countries including mine). I've read you've been reducing it for a long time though, 10 years or something, you didn't wait for the 2008 crisis. (I don't know your country a lot, sorry)

If success means reducing your debt, then yes okay, I guess Denmark is succeeding. my god did i really write "successing" earlier?... (but I don't think we can reduce "success" to this only, it would be too easy... But then again it would take too long to compare everyrthing)
User avatar #256 to #237 - metalmind (10/02/2013) [-]
Not a troll. It's just that we probably live in different time zones.
#238 to #237 - alexanderh (10/02/2013) [-]
We're doing well in general, not just about debt. The economy in general is doing well, we've had stable growth in GDP for at least 10 years in a row, if not more.
It's a bit hard to find jobs for me, but that seems to be the way it is for people around the age of 20, not only because of the financial crisis.
We also have a high social equality.

Basically, we're doing well in general, not just on debt.
#11 to #9 - armageddoncloud (10/01/2013) [-]
Thanks, that explains alot
#5 to #4 - chords (10/01/2013) [-]
i know that feeling . something to do with the obama care thing i think not too sure
#3 - hopeadope (10/01/2013) [-]
Do I smell a Nicholas Cage thread?
#2 - fizzor (10/01/2013) [-]
Nic is love, Nic is life
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