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#166 - xxxsonic fanxxx (08/06/2013) [-]
Dont deny child's rights for your ass's pleasure. Marriage was meant to defend the rights of children to have both a father and mother, who represents their identity, lineage, and history, about the future equality of children who are motherless or fatherless compared to those who are raised by their father and mother. Today this right of the child can be bought on the market place by homo people.
1 Mama + 1 Papa = True Parents. Lessons from the French.
1. "The rights of children trump the right to children. As a society we should not be encouraging this. It’s not biologically natural.” Jean-Marc, a homosexual French mayor.
2. “In France, marriage is not designed to protect the love between two people. Marriage is specifically designed to provide children with families. The most serious study done so far demonstrates quite clearly that a child has trouble being raised by gay parents.” said Xavier Bongibault, an atheist homosexual.
#167 to #166 - xxxsonic fanxxx (08/06/2013) [-]
3. "I was raised by two women, suffered from the lack of a father, a daily presence, a character and a properly masculine example, some counterweight to the relationship of my mother to her lover. I was aware of it at a very early age. I lived that absence of a father, experienced it, as an amputation. As soon as I learned that the government was going to officialize marriage between two people of the same sex, I was thrown into disarray. It would be institutionalizing a situation that had scarred me considerably. In that there is an injustice that I can in no way allow. I would've jumped into the fray and would have brought a complaint before the French state and before the European Court of Human Rights, for the violation of my right to a mom and a dad." Jean-Dominique Bunel, a specialist in humanitarian law.
#237 to #167 - sanguinemaiden (08/06/2013) [-]
But I don't understand the part about a 'right to have a mom and dad'.
If my biological father is out of the picture (deceased, takes off, whatever), and my mother is homosexual, then she's not just gonna wake up one day and decide she wants to be with a man again. Either she's going to be with a woman, or she's gonna be with nobody, so I'm still out of my right to 'have a dad'.
So what, do we forcibly remove children from parents once we find them to be homosexual and place them in traditional families that have a mom and a dad? That argument doesn't make any sense.

My dad abandoned us when I was a baby and my mother never remarried. Should I be enraged that she selfishly deprived me of my rights to having a father in my life by not finding another husband? Should I have been removed from my home and placed with a foster family with one male and one female parent to protect my rights?
User avatar #175 to #167 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
...sociological studies show that gay parents are statistically better than straight parents because of some handy reasons:

1) Gays don't have kids by accident
2) Gays are usually in a long and commited relationship long before they get the opportunity to raise a child so they're less likely to divorse.
3) Gays don't want to become a part of a homophobic statistic and take extra care in their responsibilities as parents.

So ya... Mr. Anon.... quoting bigots doesn't make the view any less bigoted. Would you prefer orphans remain parentless than have a gay set of parents?
User avatar #186 to #175 - RobsonT (08/06/2013) [-]
Don't be a thumb whore by picking on Anons, that point was valid and since you have no idea what it's like to have homosexual parents I suggest you just skim over the comment and say nothing instead sticking your net in the water by an Anons comment and hoping for green thumbs
User avatar #189 to #186 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
Also, you don't need to stick your hand in a fire in order to have an opinion on how stupid sticking your hand in fire is. You don't need to have had gay parents to have an understanding of the effects of homosexual parenting.
User avatar #193 to #189 - RobsonT (08/06/2013) [-]
You are American?
User avatar #204 to #193 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
Were you planning on going somewhere with that assertion that I can only imagine was going to lead to a prejudiced insult?
User avatar #195 to #193 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
No.
User avatar #187 to #186 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
I was correcting his completely invalid point that sociological studies support his bigoted opinion.

The other two points were also just the opinions 1 - 3 individuals and in no way reflect any kind of objective data on the issue.

Seriously... calling me a thumb whore for calling about a bigot... really? If he wasn't an anon I'd have replied the exact same way, buddy.
User avatar #191 to #187 - RobsonT (08/06/2013) [-]
Wa wa wa, sir, buddy,bigot, anon, boom green thumbs for nothing
User avatar #196 to #191 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
oh yes, yes. I'm positively ROLLING in thumbs for my comment, right?

0's across the board, buddy. Not to mention I'm rank 500ish in the comment rankings... I'm not exactly fishing for thumbs at this point. I'm in no risk of ever being banned...
#149 - tossed (08/06/2013) [-]
**tossed rolled a random image posted in comment #127 at Cereal ** how gay he is
#165 to #149 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
I stand corrected, he's adding some pepper to his gun.
User avatar #152 to #149 - Sethorein (08/06/2013) [-]
.... is he oilin up his gun?!
User avatar #120 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
Show me specifically where the Bible says rape is God's will, because I don't remember reading that anywhere.
User avatar #146 to #120 - BroadSword (08/06/2013) [-]
page 165
User avatar #122 to #120 - ukc (08/06/2013) [-]
it's an argument for extreme pro-lifers, who say that even if a woman is raped, there is a bigger plan, and that it is "God's will".
User avatar #123 to #122 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
Then the post is immediately invalidated because it is what people say, not what the Bible says. Whether or not abortion is acceptable in this case is another argument I'm not going to get into.
#129 to #123 - xxxsonic fanxxx (08/06/2013) [-]
Yes, because it's not like the bible was written by people. It's the word of god that one day decided to transform in a book all by itself. you dense ************ . Grow up and be done with your kids stories.
User avatar #131 to #129 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
If you've got nothing intelligent to say, then don't speak.
User avatar #126 to #123 - ukc (08/06/2013) [-]
Yeah, but people say homosexuality is a choice. The bible doesn't say that, but the people do.
User avatar #130 to #126 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
Actually, it does. Romans 1 labels it as a sin, and Romans 8 indicates that sin is a choice.

For you atheists that have it out for the Bible, keep your red thumbs. I'm not debating its legitimacy, I am only clarifying what it says.
User avatar #133 to #130 - ukc (08/06/2013) [-]
Thanks for straightening that out for me. As a minority sexuality person, I'm not a person of faith, although that has more to do with overt cynicism than fear of the retribution of the Lord or Allah (SWT) or any other god that guides a group.
To be honest, I respect your opinion, at least you're being reasonable, unlike anon.
User avatar #136 to #133 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
I had my time being an idiot back about six years ago now, but now I've learned there's no purpose to arguing points like that. Deciding what you believe is up to yourself, I just don't like anyone shooting out blatantly wrong things about any form of belief. Let people decide what they think is right without all this bias.
User avatar #138 to #136 - ukc (08/06/2013) [-]
Thank you brother, the best way to deal with arguments of opinion and belief are to walk away from them and ignore them.
masha'allah, bless you.
User avatar #141 to #138 - amateriandarknut (08/06/2013) [-]
No problem. You have my respect as well, not a lot of people here will debate this sort of thing without resorting to, well, what that anon did. Thanks, it's refreshing to see this.
User avatar #144 to #141 - ukc (08/06/2013) [-]
Well, like you, I used to argue my corner with a fury, but there's no point wasting bandwidth, my time and someone else's fighting over something that you're not likely to make an impact upon.
You're welcome, it's nice to know some people can be reasonable from time to time.
User avatar #226 to #126 - frobskottle (08/06/2013) [-]
I agree very much so. Sexual orientation isn't a choice for many people. However, I think that it is not a genetic issue, but rather a environmental/ nurture issue. Therefore, many people were not "born this way" but instead raised/conditioned with a psychological disposition to be attracted to the same sex. Granted, some people are born with more feminine/masculine characteristics, but much like a language, gender roles and identities as well as sexual orientation is heavily influenced by environmental factors during formative years. So it is not a choice in a sense of it being like deciding what to wear to school today, but rather a developed habit or pattern of behavior. That is where I think people are being misinformed and also misconstrued.
User avatar #398 to #226 - ukc (08/07/2013) [-]
Wait, but if people are born with masculine and feminine brains, that doesn't have any effect on sexuality.
And what about bisexual people?

I was raised as a straight male, but obviously that didn't work out, did it? I was never exposed to any "deviant" sexuality whatsoever, I only have one other minority sexuality relation and I've seen him once in my life, he didn't influence me at all. I think the most diverse my upbringing got was love thy neighbour...
User avatar #401 to #398 - frobskottle (08/07/2013) [-]
Let me say that I do not mean to offend and I am not so sure of my own conclusion to say that I am right. I am only speaking from a perspective of what I have learned from human behavior studies and my own observations. Honestly, I don't know about bisexual people and I do not now about you or your life. From what I have learned, a person's habits and hobbies and preferences are influenced by their genetics, but determined more so by their environment. "Environment" in this sense doesn't exclusively mean what you are exposed to, but also what you are kept from and the events that are out of your control that invoke an emotional response. So it is much more than "deviant sexuality." It could be from a cacophony of things. Good or bad.
User avatar #402 to #401 - ukc (08/07/2013) [-]
To be honest, I do think it is genetics. Sexual attraction and instinctual urge to reproduce is hardwired into your DNA, and as is well documented and recorded, mutations in those genes occur. I'm happy to accept that sexuality is probably a genetic mutation.

You do hear stories of people raised in strict christian communities, and upon puberty, discovering that they're attracted to the same sex, as well as/instead of the other. I don't think it's a thing that can be altered directly, as in the actual sexuality, but I think the degree of deviancy can probably be influenced by upbringing (i.e. fear of retribution upon discovery)
#315 - jackbrook (08/06/2013) [-]
things will only ever happen one way. if you played the same scenario out a million times, with every variable kept exactly the same each time, all of them will be identical. so choice is an illusion and that goes for everything and everyone. we make decisions based on past influences, events, and actions - and since these will never be any different, our present choices are inevitable.

2spooky
#362 to #315 - faroeseguy (08/06/2013) [-]
what about flipping a coin?
what about flipping a coin?
#370 to #362 - jackbrook (08/06/2013) [-]
well if you played the EXACT same scenario of flipping the coin over and over again, it would always flip in the same way, and land on the same side.
#343 - KungFuZerO (08/06/2013) [-]
This is just a guess, so feel free to critique, but I feel like although homosexuality is almost never a choice, it can be. My sister was born with a bad set of genetics that make her physically unattractive to men (dark arm/leg/facial hair, medically untreatable acne, relatively tall, etc) and she has recently come out after living in an all-female co-op. My guess is that her lack of male attention her whole life and her feeling of acceptance and belonging with rougher, manlier women has led to her choosing to be gay. I could be completely wrong about it too.
User avatar #309 - skubasteve (08/06/2013) [-]
For a majority it isn't a choice. But for a few they make it one, because they are attention whoring little divas.
#289 - prohemp (08/06/2013) [-]
why is **** bleeped out?
User avatar #279 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (08/06/2013) [-]
I have no idea what is going on here.
#93 - trickytrickster (08/06/2013) [-]
Who ever says that rape is God's will is an idiot. God would never will anything evil. That doesn't even make sense if you are a Christian.
User avatar #103 to #93 - ivoryhammer (08/06/2013) [-]
Well God did some pretty horrible stuff in the Bible, telling Cain to kill Abel, flooding the earth, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. Dooming people to hell for not believing in it, exiling Adam and Eve for eating a fruit. God is kind of a dick.
#197 to #103 - ijpowers (08/06/2013) [-]
Most of those statements are false. I don't know where you're getting your information but its wrong.
I would go into more detail but I want to avoid leaving a rant in the comments.
#116 to #103 - trickytrickster (08/06/2013) [-]
Well God doesn't send anyone to hell, they choose to go there themselves. But like I said, any true Christian would understand that those actions were justified because God has perfect judgement. From an outside point of view you would obviously disagree.
#115 - thebesttrumpeteer (08/06/2013) [-]
if you can watch flipper and get to the scene where the lifeguard comes out of the water in a tight white shirt, and you still wanna **** the captain, you're ******* gay and there's nothing to be done. but i'll still be your friend
#114 - xxxsonic fanxxx (08/06/2013) [-]
I always thought the bible had value, even if parts were wrong.

like, if your physics teacher beats his wife at night, does that make him a bad teacher? same thing with the bible. even if some parts are obviously wrong, that doesn't necessarily discredit the whole thing.
User avatar #98 - rakaka (08/06/2013) [-]
wait who is this directed to? I've been christian all my life and have never heard rape is God's will or "happens for a reason" except when people rant about bieber tweeting so
#80 - slyboom (08/06/2013) [-]
I don't think I woke up one day and went 'huh, I think I want to be hated, and not be able to walk down the street with out getting attacked, verbally and/or physically'. It isn't a choice, I wouldn't choose it if I had the choice, but I embrace it.

Now don't get me wrong, there are different types of gay people. I consider myself to be one of the better ones. I try to respect the fact that people don't agree with it, and don't shove it in their face, but if they give me **** I will fight back. The word faggot doesn't mean **** to me, I use it more than most people.

tl;dr
Not a choice, i don't give a **** what you think, the word faggot rolls off the tongue well.
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