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User avatar #41 - subaqueousreach (06/30/2013) [-]
I never really understood why women get upset about cat calling.

Obviously if they're shouting cat calls they find you attractive, I'd take that as a compliment. When you go dress shopping with your girlfriends they say much dirtier and disgusting things to you when you walk out in that sleek and sexy new dress, but you just giggle and laugh with them. (I've been dress shopping with a group of girls, accepted into their order and learned their ways. Girls at least 10 times more perverted and profane than most men I know.)

However, even if you find it inappropriate, they're just words. Since we were all itty bitty toddlers we've been told by our elders time and time again that words can only hurt you if you let them. You don't know these people and chances are you'll only see them the one time. Who cares what they say? Why let it bother you?

They're saying you're sexy and desirable. Yeah, they're uncouth, piggish, and chauvanistic, but the fact is they're not actually doing anything to hurt you. Seriously, just walk by and go on with your day like it didn't even happen.
User avatar #84 to #41 - monkee ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
From personal experience it gets quite tiring when a group shout aggressive sexual advances to you (worst are builders, no doubt about it). It's very intimating to have lewd statements thrown at you simply because of your gender. Women are not attracted to that, because it seems childish and does not fit the 'romantic' stereotype. In general women want to feel like they are your one and only, not be compared either to other women or amongst a group. Women who are intelligent do not want to be judged on their looks alone, so catcalling does not impress them at all.

If you ask them to stop, they get worse. If you ignore them, it never stops. It wouldn't be the first time some desperate guy has followed me jeering. That's when it gets scary. We're all taught about rape culture etc but wtf are you supposed to do in that situation? When you're being objectified on a daily basis you get sick of it. I'm all for gender equality but I also believe both sexes need to learn more about each other, as sometimes we're ******* blind to each genders needs and wants.

I know I'll probably get attacked for simply revealing I'm a girl, but I'm trying to explain the majority of the female populations logic. May seem pretty strange, but both sexes respond to different social cues.
User avatar #306 to #84 - subaqueousreach (06/30/2013) [-]
Well I can understand your point of view, and yes it's probably terrifying if it gets any farther than just catcalling. No one can ever give you the proper answer on how to handle a situation like that though, because each one is different because no two people think alike. Do whatever you feel will keep you safe in that instance and hope for the best.

However in most cases it will never get this far, and in the end it really is just harmless shouting. Annoying yes, but harmless all the same. I'm not trying to sound like I'm defending it in any way, because I don't much care for it myself, but there really are worse things to be dealing with.

But also you can't say all women are not attracted to catcalling. I know a couple of women who love it and will even shout back some underhanded quips and have good fun with it. I also know others who just ignore it and they are completely fine. Saying "Women in general" is a false statement and you're placing your personal views on people who may not agree with you at all. In fact it's more fair to say that women in general would probably disagree with you in a great deal on many subjects, hence the great difference in numbers of feminist and non-feminist females (And no I'm not accusing you of being feminist, just making a point).

You're right of course, that both genders do need to learn more about one another and I'm really big on gender equality. However true equality will never exist. And not just between men and women, but people in general. Someone will always be on top. In a hundred years it could be women, it could be the Chinese, it could be homosexuals calling all the shots, but regardless someone will always have more power than someone else.
User avatar #134 to #84 - altari (06/30/2013) [-]
A girl on the internet? LIES! But I agree that the sexes should get to know each other better.
User avatar #72 to #41 - paintplayer (06/30/2013) [-]
And furthermore, how about catcalling back a little bit? I'd have a stupid grin on 24/7 if women catcalled at me and made me feel at least a little attractive.
User avatar #38 - delphine (06/30/2013) [-]
Or maybe men could... I don't know... pick a woman that isn't such a bitch? they might not always be smokin' hot or find "women in the kitchen jokes" as funny as you do, but they do exist and with an attitude adjustment you might be able to hold onto one.
User avatar #75 to #38 - pjawesomeness (06/30/2013) [-]
People could do a lot of things.
User avatar #43 to #38 - othagovna (06/30/2013) [-]
Part of the problem is that these man-hating ones are able to do all sorts of things to make a man's life miserable with the man having little or no ability to do anything about it.

If a woman hates a guy she could falsely accuse him of things like sexual harassment to spite him, and frequently there is little the man can do to defend against this or the ramifications is can have on his social/professional life.

Don't think it can happen?

In high school a girl who (for whatever reason didn't seem to like me, but wouldn't say why) threatened to falsely accuse me of "sexual harassment" when I was sitting nearby during lunch. After pleading to know what I was even doing to offend her she finally told me it was my pants that she was allegedly feeling were sexual harassment directed at her. (I was wearing perfectly normal jeans that fit my body and weren't baggy).

Later, when I was in college, a girl in one of my studio art courses threatened to falsely accuse me of "sexual harassment" if I ever said another word to her. (All I had done was casually say hello and ask how she was doing with her project on my way into the classroom, but I didn't want to press my luck by asking what I had done in this case, so I just ended up avoiding her). The thing is though, this girl would regularly come into class and start talking about her kinky sex life and about the markings left on her body by said kinky sex. She would even make artwork depicting herself in these sexual acts.
User avatar #46 to #43 - delphine (06/30/2013) [-]
yes, well that's how poorly women were treated for thousands of years up until recently. I don't deny that some terrible women will falsly accuse men of sexual harassment and believe me it pisses me off just as much, because cases like that make it even harder for women who are actually being sexually harassed to do anything about it or even be taken seriously.

I have a friend who is a female cop, and one of her coworkers would make lewd comments, send graphic text messages, and would slap her ass, and when she reported it to her superior he told her suck it up because he was just joking around. His behavior is unprofessional and was making her life miserable, and it was why she quit.

I also know that men have to be extremely careful in the work environment. I have to be careful, even as a woman. Because I am a teacher. We have to be so careful about what we say or do, because if a child accuses us of anything we can lose our jobs. My school has a "hands-off" policy where we are not allowed to physically touch our students, even a pat on the back. It's not to protect students-- it's to protect teachers from getting sued or fired. One of my coworkers was sued for simply "embarassing a child in front of his peers".
User avatar #52 to #46 - othagovna (06/30/2013) [-]
I'm not talking about thousands of years worth of history though.

Less masculine and weaker men have faced these types of problems for just as long as women. It's not like it has always only been women being treated like that, so it's a bit unfair to defend women who act like that by saying things like "well that's how women have been treated for thousands of years".

I get that you're saying you are against that type of behavior, but I'm just pointing out that your wording reflects a desire (be it conscious or unconscious) to also defend it. (Guess who almost minored in psychology.)
User avatar #60 to #52 - delphine (06/30/2013) [-]
hmmm... let me guess, you?
Well, that's part of the reason I did decide to work with kids. The system might be awful but children don't yet understand or care about things like this. They are more concerned about the fairness someone budging in front of them in line than they are about the fairness of gender politics.
#50 to #46 - ogloko (06/30/2013) [-]
public schools are prone to the most egregious violations of freedom, law, and logic
User avatar #44 to #43 - darkangeloffire (06/30/2013) [-]
Hypocrisy at its finest.
User avatar #49 to #44 - othagovna (06/30/2013) [-]
After being treated like that by women for so many years I read up a bit on what constitutes "sexual harassment". Based on the definitions and policies regarding it that I read, I actually started to theorize that if a guy is beta enough he might be able to turn these kinds of false accusations around on the girl by sheer virtue of being too beta to have possibly done what she is accusing him of.

Of course the problem with this is that if he is THAT beta it could be difficult for him to actually bring himself to turn the tables on a girl like that, so it may require the assistance of a friend who is more self confident. That way the friend could just help the victim explain to whichever authority figure the matter is brought up with that the girl who make the false claim was actually sexually harassing the guy.

After all, who in their right mind is going to believe that the guy, who is so beta that it's a miracle his testes haven't literally shriveled and fallen off from atrophy, could have done something like intentionally sexually harassed anyone?
#33 - stickandmove (06/30/2013) [-]
Getting tired of saying this...

Not all feminists are man-eating, Godless harpies. Most just want gender equality.
User avatar #234 to #33 - undeadwill (06/30/2013) [-]
Where don't you have equality? Be honest.
#191 to #33 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
But they got gender equality in the western world. Then they see that things are only politically equal. And instead of actually educating women to choose education that will get them higher paying jobs, they just try to pass laws which will force employers/universities to choose women. Not because they are better/just as qualified, but to fill the quota.
#141 to #33 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Then they should become an equal rights activist fighting for equal rights for all not just catering to their own agenda. The first step to gaining truly equal rights would require them to fight with men for equal rights on both sides and yes men do have lesser rights in some areas.
User avatar #80 to #33 - mamaluweegee (06/30/2013) [-]
That's how extremists affect the group they're in. An abysmally small number of Muslims are terrorists but they are all still getting profiled as such. Not all vegans/vegetarians try to guilt you/ try to be morally superior to you because you eat meat and they don't. The crazy and the extreme will always be more prevalent, no matter how few, compared to the sane and normal.
User avatar #77 to #33 - Keidis (06/30/2013) [-]
Not ALL feminists are, but god... MANY of them are ******* cunts who seek to destroy men as a whole and try to control men. I work with one, and my even the female bosses are trying to get this cunt fired.
User avatar #73 to #33 - poniesareghey (06/30/2013) [-]
Then why not just identify as "humanist" or "equalist"
I mean, feminism seems to sound like one or the other, and that no one gender can be just as good as the other.
#63 to #33 - tomthehippie (06/30/2013) [-]
The problem is that the movement has been taken over by those who don't want equality; they want to be better than men.

There are many women who just want equality. But there are many "feminists" who think that equality means equal pay to men, while not having to sign draft cards, pay for dates, or pay child support.
#48 to #33 - larknok (06/30/2013) [-]
I too support gender equality, but I realize there is a distinct problem with trying to deal with an issue of equality by dealing with only the issues of a single gender, and leaving the issue of the other gender being treated fairly upon mere chance.

Calling yourself feminist to support equal gender rights makes about as much sense as calling yourself a white-supporter, black-supporter or an asian-supporter if you support equal race rights, or calling yourself a masculist if you support equal gender rights. Just go with egalitarian.
User avatar #37 to #33 - othagovna (06/30/2013) [-]
I don't mind the feminists who just want equality and fairness (I even support gender equality). However, it would really help if these types actually did more to combat the bad image that these new waves of man hating "feminists" are giving all feminists.

Unless the real feminists (the ones who are all about equality and fairness instead of hating on men) start standing up much more to these man hating ones, the man-haters are just going to keep it up. Men can't do much to make them stop the hate mongering without them trying to use whatever we say as "proof" that men are evil and oppressing them.

On a psychological/sociological level this is the only way to put a stop to or at least reduce all the man hating new wave feminism. It's harder for them to support their claims and personal views of men being "evil oppressors" when enough women around them are telling them they're wrong and to knock it off.
User avatar #240 to #37 - jajathezombie (06/30/2013) [-]
The man haters are going to keep it up no matter what. And honestly, they're not that easy to find in real life, at least in my experience. The big problem is the media. The man-hating feminists are the ones who make the news, because let's face it, some of the **** they pull is ******* crazy, and that makes for a good story. But the real feminists, the ones who just want equality, have a very small voice in the media because no one gives a **** about you unless you're doing something ******* insane.
User avatar #36 to #33 - rdangerdash ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
That doesn't mean that we just have to be okay with the ones that are. Not everyone is a serial killer. I guess we should probably just stop trying to solve murders from now on.
User avatar #35 to #33 - tealcanaan (06/30/2013) [-]
I can understand standing up for women in third world and traditional Muslim regions, but where is the inequality in the first world?

in;b4: Using the raw gender wage inequality instead of the individual industries gender pay statistics....
#32 - Sworley (06/30/2013) [-]
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trying to argue with them
#30 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
This just made me feel incredibly sad for the guy.
#31 to #30 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
I mean, I know it is (probably) fake, but he looks so sad.
#23 - slimeywaffles (06/30/2013) [-]
From my experience and hearing of others, I've been disgustingly catcalled and harassed by construction workers. So this picture doesn't look that unfair to me.
From my experience and hearing of others, I've been disgustingly catcalled and harassed by construction workers. So this picture doesn't look that unfair to me.
User avatar #39 to #23 - delphine (06/30/2013) [-]
I've been catcalled a few times. Usually when I'm in a dress and heels and was feeling particularly fabulous. Here's a tip: If a man whistles at you, don't respond. You're a lady, not a dog. Just keep walking with your head held high, and remember that it's okay to feel a little bit flattered.

Rude comments aren't okay, but I always feel complimented if a guy whistles at me.
#28 to #23 - shameonapony (06/30/2013) [-]
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
User avatar #34 to #28 - YeYouKnoMe (06/30/2013) [-]
I care deeply. You were saying?
#40 to #34 - shameonapony (06/30/2013) [-]
My point is this is the internet and nobody cares what you think.
#25 to #23 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
also, it's not illegal.
You being offended doesn't give you any rights, who the **** cares? No one
User avatar #21 - KayRed (06/30/2013) [-]
The only thing worse than a feminist is a man who constantly bitches about feminist. Man up and stop giving a **** .
User avatar #233 to #21 - undeadwill (06/30/2013) [-]
I bitch because they ignore the rights of other and punish any attempt to gain rights for themselves with ridicule and hatred.

I "Bitch" about feminists the same way I do about conservative fundies, socialists and etc. Feminists don't act like you are special.
#196 to #21 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Found the male feminist. Just look at his previous comments. "Religion isn't bad", "we can't generalize". Yeah, most likely a leftist.
User avatar #316 to #196 - KayRed (07/01/2013) [-]
Damn right!
#235 to #196 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Don't forget his name and his profile picture... That people actually thumbs up a male feminist telling people to "man up" is just way beyond my reasoning. For me this is just another reason to "bitch" (argue against) feminists.
#26 to #21 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
>feminist actively trying to strip all manly like qualities from men
>don't give a ****
We are trying to man up, feminists are trying to make us their faggot dick sucking man friend.
User avatar #45 to #26 - coolcalx (06/30/2013) [-]
found the whiny bitch-boy
#165 to #45 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
agreed, but by the same token, I have to agree that simply stopping giving a **** isn't going to fix the situation, it'll make it worse because it'll let the problem spread like wildfire.
#19 - Gypsybob (06/30/2013) [-]
Blessed is the homosexual man, for he is free of a woman's tyranny
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#68 to #17 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Fake, Kenji would be too well prepared to have even a scratch.
User avatar #9 - sanguinesolitude (06/29/2013) [-]
For a community of mostly men that basically doesn't talk to women, we sure are angry at the made up version of them we post to ourselves.
#281 to #9 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Thank **** , someone finally said it! And people are argeeing with you!
#280 to #9 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
it's a joke. it's funny.
we post a bunch of racist jokes about black and jewish people
it doesn't mean we hate them
User avatar #286 to #280 - sanguinesolitude (06/30/2013) [-]
i get that, but then you read the comments and realize a large number of these people really feel its true.
#297 to #286 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
i just read the comments...
okay, you right
#236 to #9 - ohnotwoone (06/30/2013) [-]
Thank you my friend. Getting real tired of these ******* posts.
#179 to #9 - itsuckedbeinganon (06/30/2013) [-]
There is although a difference between women and feminists. The worst ones are the feminist men.
User avatar #103 to #9 - rhiaanor ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
The thing is there are literally people like this.. and they have a good quantity as well.
User avatar #135 to #103 - bigmanfifty (06/30/2013) [-]

or just angry rumours and hearsay?
User avatar #248 to #135 - sanguinesolitude (06/30/2013) [-]
i've met feminists, they tend to be normal women with a bit of a philosophical lean. Never met a raging angry one. sure you see them on tv, but if you think thats real you probably think everyone from new jersey is snooki
User avatar #83 to #9 - danster (06/30/2013) [-]
We talk to women, we talk.
#59 to #9 - Spikeydeath (06/30/2013) [-]
funny it happens to me all the ******* time!
User avatar #20 to #9 - chiefboss (06/30/2013) [-]
ive always thought of it as us hating the vocal minority of women.
#15 to #9 - Ken M (06/29/2013) [-]
but..but..they always put me in the friendzone. i am a nice guy. but also, i hate women. why dont they like me? i post ******** about women in the kitchen, they like that, right?

#99 to #15 - lamarisagoodname (06/30/2013) [-]
Here's a wallpaper and a prescription for some heavy gaming. Focus on your studies and leave romance out of your life, the girls you're meeting now are not worth your time, your time will come, I am 110% sure of it.
User avatar #16 to #15 - sanguinesolitude (06/29/2013) [-]
Thats mostly what i hear around here. And the content may be a joke, but the comments usually prove that its the way people really feel. If it makes you feel better i expect to be redthumbed into oblivion if this content ever makes it to front page.
User avatar #7 - JENNAY (06/29/2013) [-]
I don't think that's how it works with normal women. Just the ones who have their heads up their asses :/
User avatar #231 to #7 - samxdaxman (06/30/2013) [-]
Feminists are actually pretty cool people(not the type with their heads up their asses). They just wanna have equal opportunities. Unfortunately, the dumbass ones tend to be the loudest ones and those people are the ones some people on FJ pay attention to.
User avatar #308 to #231 - JENNAY (06/30/2013) [-]
Agreed. Most REAL feminists, you know, the ones who actually know about women in history who have gone through **** to get where we are today, really just want equal pay. There are many states that are down with that, but places like Utah give women a sizable fraction of what a man would make for the same work. That's what's really lame

This all said, a lot also need to realize this means you have to pay for at least half the dates if you and your partner have an equal steady income. It's less fun that way but that's equality too, and how you get the mainstream to recognize it
User avatar #309 to #308 - samxdaxman (06/30/2013) [-]
I guess I'm lucky because I can see both sides. My mom is a good feminist, but I can tell she's not a radical like most people here think. She and most of her friends are all for EQUAL pay, EQUAL opportunities and overall equality. I say we just stop all this black rights, women's rights and just have HUMAN rights. Like, is that so damn hard?
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User avatar #310 to #309 - JENNAY (06/30/2013) [-]
Apparently it is

Makes too much actual sense
#312 to #310 - samxdaxman (06/30/2013) [-]
This is how I'm feeling a lot more nowadays about this 			****		.
This is how I'm feeling a lot more nowadays about this **** .
User avatar #313 to #312 - JENNAY (06/30/2013) [-]
Talk about every day
User avatar #314 to #313 - samxdaxman (06/30/2013) [-]
True that yo.
#27 to #7 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
Sooooo... Normal women?
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#317 to #5 - Ken M (07/01/2013) [-]
Just to let you all know, this was a lie for thumbs up, I'm actually gay, don't even like women! mwahahaha
#194 to #5 - kez (06/30/2013) [-]
Heres your problem OP.

"Bides my time, glancing back and forth, making eye contact "

You werent giving her sexy eye contact from afar, you were a weird stalker who kept staring at her.

The rule is, if you make eye contact with a girl, unless you are currently busy and unable to go over to her and talk to her, like working in your job at the bar, or doing a presentation or some such, you want to start walking over and talking to her within about 3-5 second of the eye contact finishing.

Repeated eye contact turns you from "sexy guy from afar looking at me and liking me" to "this creep who keeps staring at me"

Be more confident next time and go over sooner.
User avatar #142 to #5 - hudis (06/30/2013) [-]
Why the hell did you put your hand on her shoulder?
User avatar #113 to #5 - weenieandthebutt (06/30/2013) [-]
The problem with women is that they're tactile so they often communicate through body language. The problem with some of us men is that we're able to pick up on certain vibes or messages. These women often complain about how objectifying as men are when we call them beautiful or touch them, especially in the wrong context but the truth is that they don't take into account that some of us men are just as simply as socially awkward as **** .
User avatar #158 to #113 - monkeysniper (06/30/2013) [-]
Even if he called her a bitch getting sprayed with mace and getting kicked and **** is pretty harsh
#64 to #5 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]


User avatar #47 to #5 - bulbakip (06/30/2013) [-]
And the lesson learned is don't touch girls you barely know.
User avatar #115 to #47 - teseus (06/30/2013) [-]
Or girls in general. The computer is good enough, why would anyone need anything else?
User avatar #8 to #5 - sanguinesolitude (06/29/2013) [-]
why would you touch a girl who wasnt paying attention to you?
#13 to #8 - Ken M (06/29/2013) [-]
Because they made eye contact with each other, and she coincidentally responded to his question.
#29 to #13 - Ken M (06/30/2013) [-]
What he should have done was challenge her to a pokemon battle.
User avatar #65 to #29 - zorororonoa (06/30/2013) [-]
Yes! Get her money AND her phone number
#14 to #13 - sanguinesolitude (06/29/2013) [-]
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well as for the whole story. But then again i wouldnt be that surprised.
User avatar #197 to #14 - lamadrama (06/30/2013) [-]
Seems like you are doubting your own doubt.
User avatar #254 to #197 - sanguinesolitude (06/30/2013) [-]
i am so full of doubts
#3 - Ken M (06/29/2013) [-]
Feminism = Masochism the other ******* way around...
User avatar #6 to #3 - corso (06/29/2013) [-]
Maybe you should look up the meaning of those two words and then come back.
#2 - chetubetcha (06/29/2013) [-]
Await the storm.
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