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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#177 - mysticpichu
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I think of but one thing when I hear communism
User avatar #185 to #177 - xkronusx
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WE WILL BURY THEM!
User avatar #173 - PubLandlord
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Politics is too subjective to properly debate with people
#172 - anon id: 8800d64a
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Stalin was a pretty cool guy, but communism was ******. stalindidnothingwrong
User avatar #153 - gibroner
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communism in a perfect world where everything works exactly like it's supposed to would be the ideal system however we don't live in that world so communism doesn't work
User avatar #128 - douthit
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Communism bad. Free market anarchy better. Allow for communists to be communists without forcing everybody else to be.
#168 to #128 - blackandwhitegod
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>> Free market

>> Anarchy

>> Not even the same thing.
User avatar #176 to #168 - douthit
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Ever heard of anarcho-capitalism? Google it. Anarchy doesn't mean Occupy Wall Street, and free market doesn't mean corporatism.
User avatar #117 - tuckthisphit
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be advised.
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User avatar #92 to #89 - toastedspikes
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I hope you don't think communism means having a totalitarian government, or imma cry hard.
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User avatar #96 to #94 - toastedspikes
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Oh I'd agree, not system of government is perfect at all. Even anarchist modes of organisation which are used in communism are susceptible to corruption. But my point would be that there's a big difference between having a system which easily allows for a small number of people to seize control, and a system which actively fights against and undermines hierarchal authority.
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User avatar #118 to #115 - toastedspikes
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Sorry, no, I'm not talking about physical, literal fighting but a system which discourages hierarchy. By that of course I mean anarchism. There's plenty of literature and practical existing systems that can explain it in more detail.

Anyway, anarchist militaries do and have existed (Black Army, Zapatistas, Spanish Civil War, etc.) and comprise of elected officers and commanders which are recallable by their subordinates.
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User avatar #124 to #120 - toastedspikes
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Anarchism is decentralised democracy, yes. Though it does not imply having a military government. Anarchist systems in the past and present do generally have an armed force, but this is necessary as they are literally islands in a sea of opposing interests. Chiapas, for example, would be a complete failure by now if it hadn't fought a war against the Mexican military. It's a misconception however, that the military is in full control.
#86 - anon id: 9e2415d1
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there is a difference between communism and socialism. Socialism is an economic philosophy where everyone shares the wealth, communism is what it is going to be called after every nation accepts socialism. What Stalin created is something called Stalinism which China and North Korea uses. The Soviet union was Stalinist until it collapsed, even though Gorbachev was trying to fix it. Learn history you *********
User avatar #90 to #86 - toastedspikes
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Even so communism can be reached without international revolution. Look at modern-day Chiapas, a province in Mexico. There's no state, no monetary system, a labournote/gift economy system, and certainly an almost complete absence of capitalist business models. Every workplace is owned and run by its own workers. Pretty much communism.

Socialism implies some form of a state.
#107 to #86 - tomthehippie
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One small note, your definition of socialism is wrong. Socialism is where the government (and it can be any form, a monarchy, a republic, a oligarchy, ect) uses public funds to provide services for the public.

We are a Socialist Republic. We pay taxes to the government, who in turn uses those funds to build roads, fund public education, public fire departments, police departments, the FDA, ect.
User avatar #125 to #107 - toastedspikes
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As long as the majority of your economy is privately owned and run, you ain't a socialist country. That's socialism as defined by socialists.
#130 to #125 - tomthehippie
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Wrong. In America we are a Socialist Republic.

There is a privet economy, but the government uses public funds to build roads, and fund programs mentioned above.

Try knowing your facts.
User avatar #133 to #130 - toastedspikes
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I just ******* told you that by definition that means the US is NOT a Socialist Republic. You're using you own arguments against you. I KNOW the US uses taxes and nationalised services, as well as having a vastly predominant capitalist economy. By that you're actually saying the US is a welfare capitalist republic.
#136 to #133 - tomthehippie
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No. I gave you the ACTUAL definition of socialism. BY THAT DEFINITION, America is a Socialist Republic.

I never mentioned welfare. Try knowing your facts.

Socialism=/=communism.

********.
#84 - Spikeydeath
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Communism is flawed to hell tho
Humans want to be greedy its how it works
if we merged socialism with capitalism it'd be perfect
User avatar #93 to #84 - toastedspikes
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Actually, science disagrees. People are much more susceptible to altruism than selfishness. We're social creatures. Besides, do you prefer a system which actively encourages greed?
#102 to #93 - Spikeydeath
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I have read a lot of studies that a lot of humans want power and thats what ***** socialism
User avatar #104 to #102 - toastedspikes
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Yes, but every one of these studies allow for an environment which encourages and accepts grabbing power.

I agree that this is what ****** up socialist states, they were much too susceptible to corruption. Different case to communism, though.
User avatar #88 to #84 - valeriya
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But then it wouldn't be socialism, and for what happens when you merge them see China, sure it's an economic power in the making but the ideals of socialism have gone out the window.
#110 to #84 - tomthehippie
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If you live in any western country, then you already have that.

Socialism is where the government (any form, a republic, a democracy, a constitutional monarchy, a junta, ect) uses public funds (taxes) to provide services to the public.

In other words, roads built with tax money. Public education, fire departments, police forces. These are ALL socialist.
User avatar #127 to #110 - toastedspikes
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These are elements of socialism but do not define a socialist country.
#132 to #127 - tomthehippie
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American (and most western countries) are Socialist Republics (or democracies, depending on the country).

Socialism has nothing to do with Communism. They are separate forms of government.
User avatar #134 to #132 - toastedspikes
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I know they're separate. Christ, I'm a bloody commie, I should know.

You're even showing, with your own arguments, that most western countries are not socialist.
#138 to #134 - tomthehippie
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You have given a definition of Socialism, that is actually the definition of communism.

I have given you the real definition of socialism. By that definition, MOST western nations ARE SOCIALIST.

Seriously, how retarded are you?
User avatar #140 to #138 - toastedspikes
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Please stop using ad hominems, you're doing nobody a favour including yourself.

Again, socialism is a transitional state between capitalism and communism, and implies an economy which is predominantly either a command economy, nationalised, or communally owned. Capitalism implies an economy is predominantly privately owned. Note that communism implies statelessness, which socialism does not have.
#146 to #140 - tomthehippie
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Socialism has nothing to do with Communism. Nothing.

And there has never been an actual Communist state, they have all been Stalinist.

Socialism=/=Communism=/=Stalinist.

Know your facts. Socialism (by definition), as I have stated before, is where the government uses public funds to build public works or provide public services.

There for, any form of government that takes taxes and uses them to build roads, provide public education, fire departments, ect, is socialist.

There are varying degrees of socialism, which CAN lead to the "welfare" state you seem to think ALL socialist states are.

This is false. Socialism can be anything from most governments (public roads, schools, ect) to what you seem to think ALL socialism is; the welfare state.

Seriously, try knowing just what the **** you are talking about. Because right now, you look like Happy Gilmore yelling at his teacher cause your momma said that alligators are mean because blah blah blah, and god forbid anyone doubts what your momma said.
User avatar #151 to #146 - toastedspikes
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I'm curious to know what you base your analyses on. Because as far as I'm concerned, the definitions as used by the people who actually first coined the term, and developed the theory behind it, pretty much disagree with you. The USSR, along with some Warsaw Pact countries, are the only countries which used Stalinist systems. Other socialist countries had unique facets of ideology such as Maoism, Trotskyism, Titoism and Leninism. Again, we can continue having this semantic argument, but all I'll say is that it's an arbitrary definition versus a definition as defined by the philosophers who coined and developed it.
#70 - archiehicox
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I feel strangely proud of the lightbulb when it gets it right.   
   
Keep going little buddy, you'll figure it out one day.
I feel strangely proud of the lightbulb when it gets it right.

Keep going little buddy, you'll figure it out one day.
#56 - anon id: cae091bb
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And I guess you know about it.
I lived in Yugoslavia and I know how good it was, this ******** EU and capitalist ideas are even worse.
User avatar #34 - moootsch
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Communism is bad..?
User avatar #32 - captainfuckitall
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Every great idea, no matter how ground-breaking and world-mending, is bound to fail if it is employed and directed by idiots
#27 - anon id: 710d5af3
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i believe the idea of taking property from others by force and "redistributing it"is immoral. most of you imagine the multi billionaires as the one losing their property, but communism abolishes all private property.
User avatar #85 to #27 - toastedspikes
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I hope you know what the difference between private and personal property is. Otherwise GTFO pls.
#20 - soundofwinter
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MUH! FREEDOMS!
User avatar #40 to #20 - techketzer
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Go back to /pol/.
Just go.
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User avatar #17 - deathcampforjewtie
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tbh I don't really understand Communism.
#24 to #17 - captnpl
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Basically:
100% tax
100% welfare
User avatar #75 to #24 - randomserb
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Haha.
User avatar #62 to #24 - muchasmarcos
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nope. around 50% income tax. education and healthcare are free and you work in safer conditions. + you wont be abused and turned into a slave that works extra hours for free in fear of loosing his/her job.
#22 to #17 - justtocomment
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Everyone gives everything, and then everything is distributed evenly. Like if I have 8 apples, you have 2 apples, we both give them to the government who then gives us each 4 apples, keeping 2 for itself to fund its apple-sharing process.
#23 to #17 - akimbobears
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Strictly speaking communism is any system in which the means of production (capital) are controlled by the government. The different kinds build off of that. It is a contrast to capitalism where the capital is controlled by private entities.
#14 - anon id: 9c94a527
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Communisim is bad because it can never work. It relies on the fact that every human is inherently altruistic. But they aren't, people are ******.
User avatar #135 - alarmdemon
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as a communist i say that people who believe this is due to lack of information and our nations propoganda
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